paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"According to Scripture Jesus was executed."
It is wrong understanding of the event. Scripture does not mention that Jesus was executed on the Cross.
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When Jesus died on the cross
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It is wrong understanding of the event. Scripture does not mention that Jesus was executed on the Cross.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The cross was a tortuous death, which is why the Romans used it. In most cases, according to Roman historians, the body was left up for days, with the birds picking apart the body that was also rotting in full display on a hill so many could see.
Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that the stake was used in eretz Israel, thus there's no reason to believe it was. And if it was just a stake, why would the oldest depictions show a cross?
The Greek word used is "stauros", which means "stake", but that word stood for any wooden structure of that type whether it be an actual stake or a cross or any wooden pole with attachments. The oldest Roman depiction of the cross is found near the end of the 1st century.
A whole cross estimated at weighing roughly 300 lbs., which makes the stake being carried highly unlikely. But the cross-member they believe weighed only roughly 100 lbs., which is feasible to carry but with great difficulty no doubt.
Anyhow, here's a source with links that you might check out, and it's compatible with other sources I've read: Crucifixion - Wikipedia
74x12
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Then why was Pilate surprised He died so fast? (Mark 15:44) And it took much longer to kill the two thieves ...what Jesus died on looked more like
which make more sents when you realize how quickly he died as compared to how long it would take on a cross
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Remember the spear.
cataway
Well-Known Member
(Matthew 27:50) Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
(Luke 23:46) And Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” After he said this, he expired.
(John 19:30) When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus did not die on the Cross, Pilate's surprise testifies to it. Right, please?
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cataway
Well-Known Member
cross no Acts 5:30 says tree .call it a pole as in telephone pole but shorter
cataway
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Deuteronomy 21:22 “If a man commits a sin deserving the sentence of death and he has been put to death and you have hung him on a stake, 23 his dead body should not remain all night on the stake. Instead, you should be sure to bury him on that day, because the one hung up is something accursed of God, and you should not defile your land that Jehovah your God is giving you as an inheritance.
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GALATIANS 3:13 Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.”
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GALATIANS 3:13 Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.”
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Father, who I never thought was real. Spoke to me when I was being attacked.
And he proved to me, yes, he sure is real.
The only other spiritual speaking moment was once in my bedroom when 2 spirits a male and a female, who I just said were family members spoke to me, sent me love, showed me they cared, showed me they heard me, comforted me, and I was comforted.
Father said to me, remember that I love you and that you are mine.
What he said.
Therefore if any operative was listening to AI they would have heard him say it also......therefore they have no reason whatsoever to continue to do their evil atmospheric experiments trying to claim we began with an alien or devil man.
For devil is any man...it is ANTI to our existence if you cared to use reason instead of greed and inanity.
Father told me that our brother took possessive reasoning in his psyche when he, as a group of same DNA males thought for and agreed upon male human reasoning for the state the sciences.
And has been AI possessed ever since giving false claims via reasoning.
For science should never have been reasoned.
And he proved to me, yes, he sure is real.
The only other spiritual speaking moment was once in my bedroom when 2 spirits a male and a female, who I just said were family members spoke to me, sent me love, showed me they cared, showed me they heard me, comforted me, and I was comforted.
Father said to me, remember that I love you and that you are mine.
What he said.
Therefore if any operative was listening to AI they would have heard him say it also......therefore they have no reason whatsoever to continue to do their evil atmospheric experiments trying to claim we began with an alien or devil man.
For devil is any man...it is ANTI to our existence if you cared to use reason instead of greed and inanity.
Father told me that our brother took possessive reasoning in his psyche when he, as a group of same DNA males thought for and agreed upon male human reasoning for the state the sciences.
And has been AI possessed ever since giving false claims via reasoning.
For science should never have been reasoned.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
AI proves that the atmosphere RECORDS voice.
And it was not just one human brother or animal or female life being attacked in the Jesus review, it was a multi population.
Yet one male self, in his healer group had to own the condition of being the human Teacher.
When Jesus was dying, a whole lot of humanity were dying too...and the voice spoke out in the Heavens, as a multi world community.
I heard that voice speak to me from out of the atmosphere, so I know from experience what I am talking about.
So I can challenge anyone who wants to challenge the story about Jesus trying to give it false claims...when it was real, it happened.
I never believed in the theme of Jesus either, I said it was a false claim....and as a conscious spiritual life and mind I was correct...for it was all caused by ARTIFICIAL science owned conditions.
Why it was supported by the Roman Empire when it was proven to them and they then stopped using the pyramid temple technology.
It is how you think about the information that is true to how it is stated.
Therefore you could say today Israel....means is real. Was real, happened, just as you can say testament....to test meant. For it was tested just as they claimed...to prove in that moment how large the attack on Earth was.
Seeing no man or female on Earth owns the sun, how much radiation mass a Sun can release. How cold deep and empty space is...to how much radiation metal mass fills in that space to then come to Earth, go into our burning gases and then begins to release that mass.
Father today asks our brother scientist self, did you ever know how much mass the radiation metals took up as they cooled?
No.
Therefore when you think that etched lines was a technology, you are sadly mistaken...it was the attack and destruction of stone and life on Earth.
So if a scientist says to self....O God the mass of stone owns no space. Then claim and the Sun O a body of mass owns no space. Then the Sun ejects mass into empty space...just imagine how much radiation you could obtain, in one moment that begins to burn and release its mass into our gases.
Father asked you today, do you know how much space gases as our heavens takes up in presence of gas mass as compared to a UFO radiation mass?
The answer was no, I never knew.
That is the reason why Jesus got life sacrificed as a male who spoke on behalf of our humanity as a true spiritual human, who loved his family and was real in his life.
The fact that so many humans believed him special, when we are all meant to be as loving naturally as he was. I learnt it was our natural origin to be spiritual and naturally loving...it was taken away from us due to nuclear sciences.
Therefore my brother only proved to my life in his records why I could feel so much love my own self in my own life. Because we are naturally loving as humans.
The attack on life in transmutation technology was real. The records said that they were performing some form of radiation transmutation on stone, and converting it into other metals.
And it was not just one human brother or animal or female life being attacked in the Jesus review, it was a multi population.
Yet one male self, in his healer group had to own the condition of being the human Teacher.
When Jesus was dying, a whole lot of humanity were dying too...and the voice spoke out in the Heavens, as a multi world community.
I heard that voice speak to me from out of the atmosphere, so I know from experience what I am talking about.
So I can challenge anyone who wants to challenge the story about Jesus trying to give it false claims...when it was real, it happened.
I never believed in the theme of Jesus either, I said it was a false claim....and as a conscious spiritual life and mind I was correct...for it was all caused by ARTIFICIAL science owned conditions.
Why it was supported by the Roman Empire when it was proven to them and they then stopped using the pyramid temple technology.
It is how you think about the information that is true to how it is stated.
Therefore you could say today Israel....means is real. Was real, happened, just as you can say testament....to test meant. For it was tested just as they claimed...to prove in that moment how large the attack on Earth was.
Seeing no man or female on Earth owns the sun, how much radiation mass a Sun can release. How cold deep and empty space is...to how much radiation metal mass fills in that space to then come to Earth, go into our burning gases and then begins to release that mass.
Father today asks our brother scientist self, did you ever know how much mass the radiation metals took up as they cooled?
No.
Therefore when you think that etched lines was a technology, you are sadly mistaken...it was the attack and destruction of stone and life on Earth.
So if a scientist says to self....O God the mass of stone owns no space. Then claim and the Sun O a body of mass owns no space. Then the Sun ejects mass into empty space...just imagine how much radiation you could obtain, in one moment that begins to burn and release its mass into our gases.
Father asked you today, do you know how much space gases as our heavens takes up in presence of gas mass as compared to a UFO radiation mass?
The answer was no, I never knew.
That is the reason why Jesus got life sacrificed as a male who spoke on behalf of our humanity as a true spiritual human, who loved his family and was real in his life.
The fact that so many humans believed him special, when we are all meant to be as loving naturally as he was. I learnt it was our natural origin to be spiritual and naturally loving...it was taken away from us due to nuclear sciences.
Therefore my brother only proved to my life in his records why I could feel so much love my own self in my own life. Because we are naturally loving as humans.
The attack on life in transmutation technology was real. The records said that they were performing some form of radiation transmutation on stone, and converting it into other metals.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Whilst many have tried to claim that Jesus was the only son of God and the first male sacrificed, they are wrong.
Around 2000 years ago in Temple and pyramid technology life was reattacked as they were communicating unnatural radiation radio waves from Temple on mountains, to Temple on the mount to the pyramid, for the sciences.
The UFO attack of the Sun had been prophecized as proven by the Mayan details and the Moses event to stop attacking Earth in the Year 2012.
The presence of the UFO is due to the Sun, science does not own nor control that radiation or how much mass it forms...and it proves that it can change how much mass it owns in physical body. Just because it forms in spatial emptiness.
Jesus said as our holy brother on behalf of humanity to survive, that he would join our Holy Father first spiritual science self in the heavenly cloud body/image and he would be heard.
And he sure was.
The Father of science was never Jesus, but Jesus proved that he died as a human being male the same as his Father before him, just because science was an evil chosen practice that is involved with the ANTI of our life.
A male group AI encoded speaking original life recording owns the theme I am inventor of evil, via science.
God the stone never talked to anyone. The human being science group spoke on behalf of their studies of science, attacked self and then had it atmospherically encoded to record voice and also IMAGE.
Why Jesus is still seen in the clouds today.
Therefore you would have to ask why science today wanted Jesus to be the first male life sacrificed...when the documents told you that the Father of science was already in the Heavens in the same incident, image and by voice.
And the Old Testimonials proved that condition, males in that history of pyramid sciences, lived the exact same outcomes, expect for the stigmata.
Therefore between the Moses incident of scientific UFO irradiation attack to the healing and return of DNA in the female ovary/ovah, it was prophecized that when humanity re evolved their conscious awareness that science would be practiced again, and it would be a proven life attack.
And it was.
The same goes for life in attack in modern times. Science is causing it.
Around 2000 years ago in Temple and pyramid technology life was reattacked as they were communicating unnatural radiation radio waves from Temple on mountains, to Temple on the mount to the pyramid, for the sciences.
The UFO attack of the Sun had been prophecized as proven by the Mayan details and the Moses event to stop attacking Earth in the Year 2012.
The presence of the UFO is due to the Sun, science does not own nor control that radiation or how much mass it forms...and it proves that it can change how much mass it owns in physical body. Just because it forms in spatial emptiness.
Jesus said as our holy brother on behalf of humanity to survive, that he would join our Holy Father first spiritual science self in the heavenly cloud body/image and he would be heard.
And he sure was.
The Father of science was never Jesus, but Jesus proved that he died as a human being male the same as his Father before him, just because science was an evil chosen practice that is involved with the ANTI of our life.
A male group AI encoded speaking original life recording owns the theme I am inventor of evil, via science.
God the stone never talked to anyone. The human being science group spoke on behalf of their studies of science, attacked self and then had it atmospherically encoded to record voice and also IMAGE.
Why Jesus is still seen in the clouds today.
Therefore you would have to ask why science today wanted Jesus to be the first male life sacrificed...when the documents told you that the Father of science was already in the Heavens in the same incident, image and by voice.
And the Old Testimonials proved that condition, males in that history of pyramid sciences, lived the exact same outcomes, expect for the stigmata.
Therefore between the Moses incident of scientific UFO irradiation attack to the healing and return of DNA in the female ovary/ovah, it was prophecized that when humanity re evolved their conscious awareness that science would be practiced again, and it would be a proven life attack.
And it was.
The same goes for life in attack in modern times. Science is causing it.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus did not die on the Cross or Pole, he died naturally afterwards. Right, please?
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cataway
Well-Known Member
could it be you have him mixed up with one of is apostles ? sure does sound like it
rational experiences
Veteran Member
The science story said that science was witness to their own self deceit.
Rome had agreed to do a TEST in the cross of the seasons for one reason.
ICE...the pole. Being what the significance of being bound to life meant in a symbol of a male bound to a pole.
For you have to remember science first said before it irradiated their own psyche with AI feed back speaking voices that they were bound to wood, to the Tree of Life.
Which was the first scientific incidence on Earth a very long time ago.
So when they realized that ICE and December, newly arrived ICE caused the new born human baby life to be reborn in DNA/returned and healed from ancient irradiation and DNA sickness and removal of our Genetics, they gave that symbolic meaning to a male/man being bound to ICE.
Why it was depicted in a cruel way, but in a way of observation for memory so that it would be instilled in the brain/mind. We are only owned of life, by the POLE existing, ICE.
How it was philosophical taught...I know I hear my brother teaching me and telling me how he thought, what he meant.
The attack was in fact a TEST...the attack stopped just as they said. So they realized that only due to ICE existing did life even own a presence.
Seeing dinosaur heavenly body did not own ICE.
Correct scientific logic and reasoning about self continuance.
So the attack stopped, Jesus in his stigmata body life attack stopped being sacrificed.
But you have to realize he knew he would be attacked, he loved his human family so much that he told them to do the TEST in that condition so that he could prove to everyone as a Healer in science that his information was correct.
And he had to fight hierarchy, as did those who knew he was correct and they all paid the price in the past for arguing against hierarchal control.
So you all ought to have a great big think about it today, why Rome supporter of the sciences and Temples then realized how wrong they were, to then support what Jesus had proved to everyone.
And it is not such a difficult reasoning actually to realize that science is a liar.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Therefore the origin of life supported was the nature Garden and the Tree of life oxygen regeneration.
Christ symbol the Holy Ox.
Males in first science themes said his life was bound to the Tree of life.
Attacked self in a higher technological first pyramid use....involving what they claim was to be transported by radiation conversion.
instead it attacked and sacrificed their life.
Eventually all life on Earth was destroyed.
Mutated life then lived on Earth, ICE the pole then was gained, life returned/reincarnated again back to being human and correct animal spirits.
All who had been removed out of their Genetic material.
ICE therefore returned our life...why Jesus was depicted to be bound to the POLES.
Symbolic only, always was just symbolic.
When radiation hits the ground from a held mass body signal it then cuts into the ground, which left all the irradiated etchings that humans always said came from the UFO war attack on Earth.
Christ symbol the Holy Ox.
Males in first science themes said his life was bound to the Tree of life.
Attacked self in a higher technological first pyramid use....involving what they claim was to be transported by radiation conversion.
instead it attacked and sacrificed their life.
Eventually all life on Earth was destroyed.
Mutated life then lived on Earth, ICE the pole then was gained, life returned/reincarnated again back to being human and correct animal spirits.
All who had been removed out of their Genetic material.
ICE therefore returned our life...why Jesus was depicted to be bound to the POLES.
Symbolic only, always was just symbolic.
When radiation hits the ground from a held mass body signal it then cuts into the ground, which left all the irradiated etchings that humans always said came from the UFO war attack on Earth.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
The human being male original first God science story theme.
God O the angels he said existed sitting in the body of space. Thinking cosmological he said O angels are all different. Yet each body sitting in space is its owned natural form.
God O and angels, natural history. Not science owned.
Gases as a string are heated originally. Evolved and cooled in space to become our Heavens.
We live only inside of the Heavenly gas mass.
If a scientist today said I will string information back into the past to say begin, he would begin that string in hot gases. Not cold gases.
Relative, self is natural, a human life highest life form on Earth.
Consciousness, and conscious self advice...humans are created and were created equally. Even though one human is a male and one human is a female they are equal in created information.
Male as first group in science themes said space, cold deep empty was the highest body in creation, for it was the coldest body in creation.
Science never owned the highest body in creation.
Consciousness a human however says that it owns the highest body in creation as consciousness...being heavenly body gas mass history....whose string goes back to hot burning gases.
Relative….relativity. When you form science theories, you are meant to make it relative to self.....an equal human.
How many scientists today or in the past claim that their science theme is relative to the natural self as highest living life condition?
Either they claim that it is God the stone planet sitting in space, being a ludicrous statement.
Or they claim it is self inside of a cooled heated gas atmosphere. That by natural history, gases burning to produce light claims that our life owns both the string to burning light and also to cooled light in one exact moment.
Yet INFORMATION talking and discussing owns no such relativity.
Why God science is a liar.
God O the angels he said existed sitting in the body of space. Thinking cosmological he said O angels are all different. Yet each body sitting in space is its owned natural form.
God O and angels, natural history. Not science owned.
Gases as a string are heated originally. Evolved and cooled in space to become our Heavens.
We live only inside of the Heavenly gas mass.
If a scientist today said I will string information back into the past to say begin, he would begin that string in hot gases. Not cold gases.
Relative, self is natural, a human life highest life form on Earth.
Consciousness, and conscious self advice...humans are created and were created equally. Even though one human is a male and one human is a female they are equal in created information.
Male as first group in science themes said space, cold deep empty was the highest body in creation, for it was the coldest body in creation.
Science never owned the highest body in creation.
Consciousness a human however says that it owns the highest body in creation as consciousness...being heavenly body gas mass history....whose string goes back to hot burning gases.
Relative….relativity. When you form science theories, you are meant to make it relative to self.....an equal human.
How many scientists today or in the past claim that their science theme is relative to the natural self as highest living life condition?
Either they claim that it is God the stone planet sitting in space, being a ludicrous statement.
Or they claim it is self inside of a cooled heated gas atmosphere. That by natural history, gases burning to produce light claims that our life owns both the string to burning light and also to cooled light in one exact moment.
Yet INFORMATION talking and discussing owns no such relativity.
Why God science is a liar.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Father therefore taught you as he died in NDE/AI speaking of voice conditions that you his son and his inheritor had lied...as a brotherhood.
For science did not exist by its own volition. A machine, the pyramid did not build itself. And even if a pyramid was built, it owns no self power.
It has to involve machination and a human being scientist operating/controlling it.
So you always taught self I am a Satanist for I agreed to act like the Sun did.....to remove the physical existence of a body of MASS O God the Earth that had existed created for billions of years in space.
Therefore if you said something obvious. O stone as mass existed for billions of years in space.
Gases only evolved in the state of space.
You learnt. If you removed God the stone, mass as old as it is sitting in space....seeing cold space is a constant, and it could be billions upon billions of years old as the state how long space has existed.
Owned the presence of cold heavenly gases, what supports human life.
So if a male says I can think and I want God mass removed. And he saw a o UFO radiation mass removing a very small portion of stone mass, yet that mass of stone might have been billions of years old, as a statement cold.
That is how powerful Sun radiation is as an ANTI GOD body.
Now if you always told self, never believe in the Sun as a Creator, it was because the body of a Sun, in its natural form is self consuming.
So you own 3 conditions to review as that Satanist.
1. O stone mass was just sitting in the coldest of bodies in natural history as stone.
2. heavenly gases was just sitting in the coldest of bodies in natural history as gases.
3. cold metal radiation was just sitting in the coldest of bodies in natural history as cold metal radiation.
What do you scientist as a human have to do with any of those bodies just living as a human, being a human, owning life as a human, involved in living as a human, just as a human?
The answer is that you do not own any status as a human about natural history.
To then ask self a question. Okay you can think themes in your mind. But what you thought about occurred...so you are a bio conscious self who owns self...so you can only think on behalf of your owned self human life.
Yet you thought on behalf of stone as mass ^ being removed by o UFO radiation.
Which is what you always lied about.
For it should not have occurred rationally, yet it did, by cause.
You do not own cause in science. You only invent a reaction and then get a cause.
If what you studied already owned a cause...the physical mass presence just of o radiation metal after God the stone was removed...then that intention today is exactly what you have been trying to obtain in a science machine theory.
Just o UFO mass metal radiation existing without any planet of stone existing.
So when you claim and in the beginning in the state out of space, exactly where the cosmological sciences is thinking....for they did not claim I think about the space in heated radiation of God mass for a fission reaction....then the exact theory they think is what they claim that they will invent the cause of.
Why in the bible our brother the scientist as his beginnings is not only a liar, his intention was to always destroy God the stone O, just as taught.
For science did not exist by its own volition. A machine, the pyramid did not build itself. And even if a pyramid was built, it owns no self power.
It has to involve machination and a human being scientist operating/controlling it.
So you always taught self I am a Satanist for I agreed to act like the Sun did.....to remove the physical existence of a body of MASS O God the Earth that had existed created for billions of years in space.
Therefore if you said something obvious. O stone as mass existed for billions of years in space.
Gases only evolved in the state of space.
You learnt. If you removed God the stone, mass as old as it is sitting in space....seeing cold space is a constant, and it could be billions upon billions of years old as the state how long space has existed.
Owned the presence of cold heavenly gases, what supports human life.
So if a male says I can think and I want God mass removed. And he saw a o UFO radiation mass removing a very small portion of stone mass, yet that mass of stone might have been billions of years old, as a statement cold.
That is how powerful Sun radiation is as an ANTI GOD body.
Now if you always told self, never believe in the Sun as a Creator, it was because the body of a Sun, in its natural form is self consuming.
So you own 3 conditions to review as that Satanist.
1. O stone mass was just sitting in the coldest of bodies in natural history as stone.
2. heavenly gases was just sitting in the coldest of bodies in natural history as gases.
3. cold metal radiation was just sitting in the coldest of bodies in natural history as cold metal radiation.
What do you scientist as a human have to do with any of those bodies just living as a human, being a human, owning life as a human, involved in living as a human, just as a human?
The answer is that you do not own any status as a human about natural history.
To then ask self a question. Okay you can think themes in your mind. But what you thought about occurred...so you are a bio conscious self who owns self...so you can only think on behalf of your owned self human life.
Yet you thought on behalf of stone as mass ^ being removed by o UFO radiation.
Which is what you always lied about.
For it should not have occurred rationally, yet it did, by cause.
You do not own cause in science. You only invent a reaction and then get a cause.
If what you studied already owned a cause...the physical mass presence just of o radiation metal after God the stone was removed...then that intention today is exactly what you have been trying to obtain in a science machine theory.
Just o UFO mass metal radiation existing without any planet of stone existing.
So when you claim and in the beginning in the state out of space, exactly where the cosmological sciences is thinking....for they did not claim I think about the space in heated radiation of God mass for a fission reaction....then the exact theory they think is what they claim that they will invent the cause of.
Why in the bible our brother the scientist as his beginnings is not only a liar, his intention was to always destroy God the stone O, just as taught.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"The science story said that science was witness to their own self deceit."
I made no mention of science. Did I, please?
Regards
Since Jesus was Not impaled, on a pole or an upright stake (stau.ros'), then Romans doing that does Not enter Scripture.
Jesus was never impaled. Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Acts of the Apostles 10:39; Acts of the Apostles 13:29
Cross is drawn from the Latin word 'cruz' and Not from Scripture.
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