When Should Women Obey Their Husbands?

[Skwim]

A person should not lie. Correct?

Usually not. But you're going to have to explain what you have in mind before I continue here.

Present your case.

 

[savagewind]

Usually not. But you're going to have to explain what you have in mind before I continue here.

Present your case.

I can't because I am still with the guy.

 

[savagewind]

Usually not. But you're going to have to explain what you have in mind before I continue here.

Present your case.

We can talk generics here. Let's. Boss calls for the husband who didn't go to work today. Bill needs to come in to work it is very important. (but he is golfing). He told you If Mr. Rags calls tell him I have the flu. Should she? She must! According to stupid. (Not you of course)

 

[Skwim]

We can talk generics here. Let's. Boss calls for the husband who didn't go to work today. Bill needs to come in to work it is very important. (but he is golfing). He told you If Mr. Rags calls tell him I have the flu. Should she? She must! According to stupid. (Not you of course)

She must!

 

[savagewind]

She must!

I did hope that I was wrong but alas...........
So the command to obey trumps everything. I have some trolling going on in that grey stuff. But i do not wish to ruin my perfect reputation so i have to be hush.

 

[savagewind]

She must!

According to your understanding of The Word a woman must lie. Must she also steal? Bow to false gods? Profane the Sabbath? Commit adultery? Kill?

 

[Thruve]

After the kids are raised and she's still a stay at home mom.

 

[freethinker44]

Under what conditions, if any, should a woman habitually obey her husband?

When I tell her make me a sammich, because it does what it's told!

 

[Draka]

Those arernt socks he dies his toe hair, yes his feet are even hairier then @Revoltingest

Personally I was wondering when pantyhose started being referred to as socks.

 

[Thana]

Under what conditions, if any, should a woman habitually obey her husband? Are there any conditions under which a woman should not obey her husband?

If a woman should habitually obey her husband, why should she habitually obey her husband? Is a woman who does not habitually obey her husband acting in an immoral manner?

If a woman believes her husband is a fool, should she still habitually obey him? If a woman believes her husband is abusive, should she still obey him?

Bonus Question: Why is nearly every woman on the Forum secretly in love with Debater Slayer despite his appalling taste in socks?

Women were unforunately, pretty stupid. Mainly because they were raised to be.
They couldn't read or write or participate in any proper education. So the bible is essentially saying to trust your husband because he probably knows more than you do, Which was how it used to be.
It really doesn't apply anymore.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Under what conditions, if any, should a woman habitually obey her husband?

Habitually? Yep. Same conditions as where a man should obey his wife. Simple example...my wife works with violent criminals with mental illnesses. If she tells me to stop tapping my toe when i visit her at work, a smart move is to simply obey. She can explain later.
SImilarly, when she visited me in PNG, I needed her to obey once or twice, since I knew about safety issues she may not, and explanations take time.
The obeying is an outcome of implicit trust rather than a power relationship.

Are there any conditions under which a woman should not obey her husband?

Yes. I need her to so I can maintain respect of her.

Bonus Question: Why is nearly every woman on the Forum secretly in love with Debater Slayer despite his appalling taste in socks?

Why are you referring to me as a woman?
Anyway, I have always assumed he takes his socks off in bed, so who cares?

 

[Skwim]

According to your understanding of The Word a woman must lie. Must she also steal? Bow to false gods? Profane the Sabbath? Commit adultery? Kill?

As an extension of the husband she can't be held libel, morally anyway. Only when she acts on her own does she assume moral culpability.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Under what conditions, if any, should a woman habitually obey her husband? Are there any conditions under which a woman should not obey her husband?

If a woman should habitually obey her husband, why should she habitually obey her husband? Is a woman who does not habitually obey her husband acting in an immoral manner?

If a woman believes her husband is a fool, should she still habitually obey him? If a woman believes her husband is abusive, should she still obey him?

Bonus Question: Why is nearly every woman on the Forum secretly in love with Debater Slayer despite his appalling taste in socks?

The masculine was before the feminine. As such the man is before the woman and she should listen to him. That is pleasing to God. We must recall that we are part of him. It is not about our own desires, in this, in the flesh, rather it is about keeping his commandments.

Does this mean the man should be disrespectful to the woman? no. We are told that the man should ''love'' the woman, as we are told that the woman should ''respect'' the man. That should speak for itself.

All kinds of immorality and assault is not allowed from either half. So the relationship should be peaceful. The elders should help the men in understanding what is right and wrong. It is all about balance.

In other words, the woman obeying the man is not licence to abuse her, just as being free of the Mosaic law in Christ is not an excuse to abuse that either.

Anyone of a secular bent if free from Christ's law and under the Mosaic law, and as such, though feeling free, will be bound by that.

 

[Robert.Evans]

And herein lies the major stumbling blocks of legalistic orthodox gender roles. It gives a submissive role absolutely NO recourse NOR does it give a submissive role any place to put up the red flag.

Obedience is a mutually agreed upon contract, and one in which the submissive carries the most importance and power. The dominant can push and guide and lead, but ONLY within the boundaries set by the submissive. People are all wired differently in different circumstances. Pre-determined gender roles will only work for some couples on some occasions. Painting a broad brush leaves open too many opportunities for abuse.

Everyone paints in broad strokes first and then cleans up what is left. That is normal. It seems you always to things the opposite way round.
The woman is not ''submissive'' to the man. She is different to the man. Just because she listens to him does not make her least to him. That is a failing of the secular society and the greed orientation of the world

 

[Robert.Evans]

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If the husband yells, "FIRE! Get out!" Then she should comply, and the same for him if she yells, "FIRE!"

Other then that - discussion and mutual agreement, on all issues.

Man is not superior to woman.


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Why would you even need to say ''man is not superior to woman''. Man is the head of woman. Man is the stronger gender to woman. That is fact. It does not mean she is trodden under his foot.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Unfortunately, there are factions of a couple religious traditions that remain strong on the male headship regardless of the possible harm upon his family. According to them, the father/husband will answer to God for his failure and the harm he brought on to the family, which is supposed to strike fear into their hearts to do better.

I've heard it, seen it, read it. I even see it on social media when friends applaud wives who remain steadfast as their husband's helpmeet when he has gambled all their money away, resulting in a loss of a home, health care, and their kids education. She announces how wrong as a wife it would be to challenge his decisions or to take any action to protect herself or their children, and instead insist on supporting his every decision as a Biblically surrendered wife...and she receives a happy response from her fellow congregation members. It's appalling, IMO.

She should go to the elders and they should deal with it. It is called looking after one another. Splitting up families leads to adultery and for that we answer to God

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yep! I actually heard a women tell her preacher that her husband was verbally and physically abusing her, - and he told her to stay in the relationship where God had placed her, and her being strong and staying, would eventually change him, and show God's will and power to the other women and men.

How appalling! Continued abuse! She could be permanently injured, or killed! And their children are learning to abuse!

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That is the fault of the elders.

 

[Robert.Evans]

According to your understanding of The Word a woman must lie. Must she also steal? Bow to false gods? Profane the Sabbath? Commit adultery? Kill?

She should point out what she thinks is right and if he is telling her do such things she would not be bound by the law in such cases. Paul tells you that in corinthians.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Women were unforunately, pretty stupid. Mainly because they were raised to be.
They couldn't read or write or participate in any proper education. So the bible is essentially saying to trust your husband because he probably knows more than you do, Which was how it used to be.
It really doesn't apply anymore.

Your first point is good. But it still applies, that is the law.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Habitually? Yep. Same conditions as where a man should obey his wife. Simple example...my wife works with violent criminals with mental illnesses. If she tells me to stop tapping my toe when i visit her at work, a smart move is to simply obey. She can explain later.
SImilarly, when she visited me in PNG, I needed her to obey once or twice, since I knew about safety issues she may not, and explanations take time.
The obeying is an outcome of implicit trust rather than a power relationship.


Yes. I need her to so I can maintain respect of her.




Why are you referring to me as a woman?
Anyway, I have always assumed he takes his socks off in bed, so who cares?

That's not really obeying as such though is it. This is the problem with this idea of obey anyway. Why, I might ask, would you not want to comply with your partner? Not a very good relationship if either is not going to do anything the other half says.