When Should Women Obey Their Husbands?

[Thana]

Your first point is good. But it still applies, that is the law.

It isn't law, lol.
Where'd you get that idea?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Under what conditions, if any, should a woman habitually obey her husband? Are there any conditions under which a woman should not obey her husband?

Because if she does not obey me she will not get chocolate.

 

[allfoak]

Anyone who has been in a long term relationship knows the importance of listening to their spouse.
Obedience would better be translated as "Women love your husband" and
"Men love your wife".

 

[lewisnotmiller]

That's not really obeying as such though is it. This is the problem with this idea of obey anyway. Why, I might ask, would you not want to comply with your partner? Not a very good relationship if either is not going to do anything the other half says.

Perhaps it is a different manner in which we define obey. To me, it means to shut up and do what you're told. My wife and I discuss decisions, but I'd be stupid not to shut up and obey in a dangerous situation.
So no, I don't obey my wife, but yes, I commonly do as she asks. And she offers me the same courtesy.

 

[dawny0826]

When my hubby tells me to go sit down and take a break and he'll make dinner, or go out to the bar and have fun and he'll watch the kids..I have no problems obeying at all.

When a husband (as well as a wife) instructs their spouse to do something nice for themselves, to rest, to take care of themselves, those are things worth listening to. Most other things are "ask" things. "Hun, could you take out the trash?" "would you grab that for me?" ...so on. As long as there is an understanding and equal give and take between them even little instructions back and forth are okay as it is a matter of working in conjunction.

A woman need only "obey" her husband in the same manner the husband "obeys" his wife.

Very well said and I agree. In a loving partnership, there's collaboration vs. obedience.

 

[savagewind]

I think the gross problem with fundamentalists is they see wise council and they say LAW! Not only that, then they say YOUR LAW TOO! And then they say "I can't be happy until you realize and obey the law I am telling you and it is law because I SAY SO!" And at the same time telling us it is from God. So what does that make them.

What did you learn while you were on Earth woman? Well, God says One God but every single man is a god and that is way more than one.

If a man is drunk from the restaurant he brought the wife to and because of man's superior wisdom he tells wife drive me home........ but fast. So she drives 7 miles over the speed limit because everyone knows no cop stops you with only 7 over. He says "FASTER". She obeys because she doesn't want God to be angry with her. They come to an intersection and he says "don't stop" , she is already worried about God so she goes through it. She hits another car and the driver is killed. Guess what? Go ahead guess!

 

[savagewind]

Maybe some people are so busy playing gods they do not know the difference between wise counsel and law.

Wise counsel is something that should be held in mind. Whenever the time is right it should be accessed and used, but not doing so is human, understandable and forgivable. Laws on the other hand are not to be used sometimes, but all the time. And disobeying them always results in some kind of censor.

I wonder why men might make counsel into law?

 

[Robert.Evans]

It isn't law, lol.
Where'd you get that idea?

It's God's law. Where ya bin?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I think the gross problem with fundamentalists is they see wise council and they say LAW! Not only that, then they say YOUR LAW TOO! And then they say "I can't be happy until you realize and obey the law I am telling you and it is law because I SAY SO!" And at the same time telling us it is from God. So what does that make them.

What did you learn while you were on Earth woman? Well, God says One God but every single man is a god and that is way more than one.

If a man is drunk from the restaurant he brought the wife to and because of man's superior wisdom he tells wife drive me home........ but fast. So she drives 7 miles over the speed limit because everyone knows no cop stops you with only 7 over. He says "FASTER". She obeys because she doesn't want God to be angry with her. They come to an intersection and he says "don't stop" , she is already worried about God so she goes through it. She hits another car and the driver is killed. Guess what? Go ahead guess!

The law now is living and active, so wise council would fit fine. But it is still the law. And it is God that we answer to. Humility is a hard one to accept.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Maybe some people are so busy playing gods they do not know the difference between wise counsel and law.

Wise counsel is something that should be held in mind. Whenever the time is right it should be accessed and used, but not doing so is human, understandable and forgivable. Laws on the other hand are not to be used sometimes, but all the time. And disobeying them always results in some kind of censor.

I wonder why men might make counsel into law?

Man would be a representation of a god as Yisrael were indeed called that. The man was always closer to the inner sanctuary than the woman, that is fact. But there can always be evil gods as there can be good.

 

[savagewind]

The law now is living and active, so wise council would fit fine. But it is still the law. And it is God that we answer to. Humility is a hard one to accept.

You didn't answer the question. Man says drive faster. It is law for her to obey. It is God's law you say. God's law is greater than man's law which is to drive the speed limit and stop at the stop sign. When she doesn't for obeying GOD'S law and she kills someone she did it. She might say "he told me to" and everyone from the first responder to the judge will say what? STUPID! That's God law! So Jesus says we should draw people to God but God is stupid so why would God say bring people to God?

So please answer the question. If a woman commits a crime under her husband's order what then? He is not guilty. Oh sure sometime way, way, way down the line when the crime is long forgotten he shall be held accountable by God, but for what? I am asking. I sometimes forget a woman is less so you don't have to answer me, oh! but I have to answer you.

Luke 16:8

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

When I married my late wife, love honour and obey, was still used in the service.
However no relationship can survive untarnished and flourish when one person holds all the power.
In our marriage we did every thing togetherincluding bank accounts and ownership of property. We made all major decisions jointly.

I have absolutely no idea if my wife ever gave me the benefit of the doubt about any thing, but where she was the Expert, I always went with her decision.

 

[savagewind]

Maybe I do not know a man's definition of law. My definition is "some order that should not be broken". Ever. So Sarah was sinning when she refused Abraham for letting the other lady stay according to the superior wisdom of God's fractal image. BULL

 

[Sunstone]

...but where she was the Expert, I always went with her decision.

I think that's an excellent basis for the division of decision-making.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You didn't answer the question. Man says drive faster. It is law for her to obey. It is God's law you say. God's law is greater than man's law which is to drive the speed limit and stop at the stop sign. When she doesn't for obeying GOD'S law and she kills someone she did it. She might say "he told me to" and everyone from the first responder to the judge will say what? STUPID! That's God law! So Jesus says we should draw people to God but God is stupid so why would God say bring people to God?

So please answer the question. If a woman commits a crime under her husband's order what then? He is not guilty. Oh sure sometime way, way, way down the line when the crime is long forgotten he shall be held accountable by God, but for what? I am asking. I sometimes forget a woman is less so you don't have to answer me, oh! but I have to answer you.

Luke 16:8

We get mixed up in these debates I think as to 'who' we are talking about. If this is a husband and wife who are within the lord, then these problems would not occur as they would be led by the Spirit, which is what I speak of.

If this is someone who is supposed to be in the lord, then, ''By their fruits you will know them''. So that woman goes to the elders of the community and they speak with him, and it is sorted that way. If he (or she) does not change, then they would be expelled... being the immoral brother (or sister).

If this is purely a secular argument, then they deal with as they see fit. Those problems are to do with the secular world anyway.

Anyone who is married to someone is not within the lord is not bound by such laws, as they are free in Christ. But clearly, in order to have peace, and to fulfil the reflection of Christ's law in that union, she would try her utmost (or he) to do what was right. And that , dear woman, would just depend on the circumstances. Either way, it would have little to do with me, even though it is right to say what the law is.

 

[Robert.Evans]

...no relationship can survive untarnished and flourish when one person holds all the power....

Man is the head of the woman... is what is written. That does not mean the man holds all the power.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If a woman commits a crime under her husband's order what then?

She is under the headship of the man, the man in spirit. We are not speaking of secular people here. She is not supposed to commit a crime, nor is he.I think God's law is fine when we understand it

 

[savagewind]

She is under the headship of the man, the man in spirit. We are not speaking of secular people here. She is not supposed to commit a crime, nor is he.I think God's law is fine when we understand it

I agree with what it is written about headship. And I believe headship is law not to be broken. We are not talking about headship. We are talking about OBEY. Obey is not a law.

 

[savagewind]

We get mixed up in these debates I think as to 'who' we are talking about. If this is a husband and wife who are within the lord, then these problems would not occur as they would be led by the Spirit, which is what I speak of.

If this is someone who is supposed to be in the lord, then, ''By their fruits you will know them''. So that woman goes to the elders of the community and they speak with him, and it is sorted that way. If he (or she) does not change, then they would be expelled... being the immoral brother (or sister).

If this is purely a secular argument, then they deal with as they see fit. Those problems are to do with the secular world anyway.

Anyone who is married to someone is not within the lord is not bound by such laws, as they are free in Christ. But clearly, in order to have peace, and to fulfil the reflection of Christ's law in that union, she would try her utmost (or he) to do what was right. And that , dear woman, would just depend on the circumstances. Either way, it would have little to do with me, even though it is right to say what the law is.

That is reasonable. Here is one for ya. Close your eyes. A Christian man wants his wife to go down on him. She doesn't want to. Honest to goodness this problem has played out in many a congregation I think. Oh sometimes it might be the other way around. They are both Christians. The Bible does not say much about oral *** (intimacy). But he is head. Hey! Who did that? She must go down or talk to the elders about. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Stop!

 

[savagewind]

God head of Christ head of Man head of Woman - Law

Woman obey Man - Not law

You must not murder - Law

You must not kill - Not law