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Where are the remains of Jesus of Nazareth?

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
From the same period? That's the clincher, are they all from the time he was alive/recently dead?
No. The ones for Caesar, Alexander, etc., exist in a handful of medieval manuscripts"
"the textual critic of the New Testament is embarrassed by the wealth of material. Furthermore, the work of many ancient authors has been preserved only in manuscripts that date from the Middle Ages (sometimes the late Middle ages), far removed from the time at which they lived and wrote. On the contrary, the time between the composition of the books of the New Testament and the earliest extant copies is relatively brief. Instead of the lapse of a millennium or more, as is the case of not a few classical authors, several papyrus manuscripts of portions of the New Testament are extant that were copied within a century or so after the composition of the original documents."
Metzger, B. M., & Ehrman, B. D. (2005). The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration (4th Ed.). Oxford University Press.
People who have no background in ancient history, classics, etc., generally seem to thoroughly misunderstand the extant, nature, and evidence that exists for basically anybody from antiquity, and apply double standards. For example, somehow coins with Alexander attest to his historicity, but coins with the mythical gods and heroes are treated differently because...? Because the evidence is treated differently depending upon how the amateur wishes inconsistently apply standards to evidence that generally she or he cannot read (except in what translations of particular critical editions exist to the extent they do) or are simply told about without critical context (such as what we actually can or cannot glean from numismatics).
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
It's possible if Jesus wasn't divine.:) Which begs the question, why do you believe he was? Do you have any evidence at all besides unsubstantiated hearsay, keeping in mind that biblical miracles and revelation are pure hearsay.

I believe hearsay is when a person testifies of what someone else said but is not an eyewitness. At least John is .an eyewitness.

I believe Jesus does not have to be divine to be raised from the dead but He certainly would have to be raised by God if He were not.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Turns out, DNA is absorbed into the stone at base of the ossuaries, and as soon as the obstructionists are out of the way, it will all be sorted out--especially from the one marked Jesus son of Joseph.

I believe the DNA could only prove that the person was related but not who the person was.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
I believe hearsay is when a person testifies of what someone else said but is not an eyewitness. At least John is .an eyewitness


We don't know that, and even if he was, his testimony would be hearsay from our perspective because he can only claim that he was an eyewitness. Also, if someone is going to be a witness, we need to be able to cross-examine them.

I believe Jesus does not have to be divine to be raised from the dead but He certainly would have to be raised by God if He were not.

The question of resurrection is one of physical vs. spiritual. If I can't argue against God, I wouldn't argue against a survival of the soul which is what Jesus' followers believed. Paul got that changed to physical resurrection to have it in keeping with Mithraism.

I believe the DNA could only prove that the person was related but not who the person was.

Precisely. For instance it will likely show that Joses was Jesus' and Mary Magdala's son.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Sense there was a Messiah movement at the time maybe Jesus was a reference to the whole group of Messiahs instead of being one man it was the whole group of Messiahs?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
Mary's grave is in Murree a hilly resort near Islamabad capital of Pakistan, and Jesus' remains in a tomb at Srinagar, Kashmir, India.
Regards

"Many locals believe that Mary, mother of Jesus, is buried in Murree and that the town is named after her (formerly Mari). Her supposed tomb sits on a hill underneath a television tower. Locals can point you in the right direction. You may need special permission to visit."
"The name Murree is derived from 'marhi', "high place"[2]although there is a popular belief it is named after the virgin Mary.[3]"
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Murree
Regards
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
We don't know that, and even if he was, his testimony would be hearsay from our perspective because he can only claim that he was an eyewitness. Also, if someone is going to be a witness, we need to be able to cross-examine them.

The question of resurrection is one of physical vs. spiritual. If I can't argue against God, I wouldn't argue against a survival of the soul which is what Jesus' followers believed. Paul got that changed to physical resurrection to have it in keeping with Mithraism.

Precisely. For instance it will likely show that Joses was Jesus' and Mary Magdala's son.

I believe no-one can cross examine a historian either but their eyewitness reporting is considered to be fact.

I believe Paul didn't change anything. He preached what the eyewitnesses saw.

I believe there isn't one chance in a zillion that it will show that.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Sense there was a Messiah movement at the time maybe Jesus was a reference to the whole group of Messiahs instead of being one man it was the whole group of Messiahs?

I believe the others either didn't have anyone to write about them or they simply didn't do anything worth writing about.
 
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