Where are the remains of Jesus of Nazareth?

[Muffled]

Not proof in any sense of the word that most people understand.

I believe then that most people lack understanding.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Actually many Atheists think Jesus was a real man, - claiming to be the Messiah.

What they don't find true, - is the mythical god-man - trinity - miracle - virgin birth -stuff.

We know from Jewish writings that several people claimed to be the awaited Messiah.

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Yes, some atheists.

If a tomb and remains of Jesus were found and that of non-existent children then the New Testament would be 100% false.

Yes, and that's why the clerical authorities work so hard to poh-poh and suppress it.

But...

The only real issue is physical vs. spiritual resurrection. The Jews, then and now, including Jesus' followers, didn't/don't believe in physical resurrection. But of course the Church's investment in a physical resurrection is too deep to revise now, without what it sees as being a serious blow to its credibility. The Truth, it seems, is not nearly as important as they would like us to believe. And so they continue their cannibalistic rites.

There is no entity that would have the power to suppress that.

You underestimate the power of blind faith among the adherents.

Very powerful governments have tried to eradicate the Church from its borders through out all of history, there is just no reasonable way that kind of revelation could be hidden from the mainstream media.

And yet there it is. But you're right to a degree, the reports are there for those inquisitive minds who want to know.

Let's be real here if atheist could prove this they could decimate the Church for which there would be no recovery. Buying into a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so.

I'm certainly not claiming that atheists, or even skeptics, could decimate the Church. Goes once again to blind faith, and it's followers must come to see the light on their own. But the power of that blind faith is finally weakening in the face of undeniable reason and science. It will take more generations still. The time will be be obvious when fewer and fewer will claim scripture as its own circular justification, and allegory as literal fact.

 

[Muffled]

Just believing does not make one alive.
Regards

I believe it is also true that disbelieving doesn't make one dead either.I find that people quite often do not believe things that are true but that does not change the truth.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus' 1st century tomb, which also contained the ossuaries (bone boxes) for Mary, Mary Magdalene, Jesus' son Joses, and his brother James (among others), originally had the bones in them when they were found in 1980 in Talpiot, Israel. Children were playing with the bones, including using a skull as as a football, until a mother stopped them, collected them and turned them over to the authorities who subsequently lost them.

I believe that is make believe except for the possibility that the bones could have been the family of Jesus but not Jesus of course.

 

[Muffled]

Mary's grave is in Murree a hilly resort near Islamabad capital of Pakistan, and Jesus' remains in a tomb at Srinagar, Kashmir, India.
Regards

I believe someone likes to make up fairy tales. No-one with a lick of sense travels that afar with a dead body because the stench would be unsufferable..Of course there is no body of Jesus but anyone can mark a grave for Him and throw someone's bones in it if they want to have a little fun.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I believe that is make believe except for the possibility that the bones could have been the family of Jesus but not Jesus of course.

It's possible if Jesus wasn't divine. Which begs the question, why do you believe he was? Do you have any evidence at all besides unsubstantiated hearsay, keeping in mind that biblical miracles and revelation are pure hearsay.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I believe someone likes to make up fairy tales. No-one with a lick of sense travels that afar with a dead body because the stench would be unsufferable..Of course there is no body of Jesus but anyone can mark a grave for Him and throw someone's bones in it if they want to have a little fun.

Turns out, DNA is absorbed into the stone at base of the ossuaries, and as soon as the obstructionists are out of the way, it will all be sorted out--especially from the one marked Jesus son of Joseph.

 

[First Baseman]

If a tomb and remains of Jesus were found and that of non-existent children then the New Testament would be 100% false. There is no entity that would have the power to suppress that. Very powerful governments have tried to eradicate the Church from its borders through out all of history, there is just no reasonable way that kind of revelation could be hidden from the mainstream media.

Let's be real here if atheist could prove this they could decimate the Church for which there would be no recovery. Buying into a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so.

I agree. If the remains of Jesus were found Christianity would cease to exist. However, those remains will never be found.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I agree. If the remains of Jesus were found Christianity would cease to exist. However, those remains will never be found.

 

[Ingledsva]

If a tomb and remains of Jesus were found and that of non-existent children then the New Testament would be 100% false. There is no entity that would have the power to suppress that. Very powerful governments have tried to eradicate the Church from its borders through out all of history, there is just no reasonable way that kind of revelation could be hidden from the mainstream media.

Let's be real here if atheist could prove this they could decimate the Church for which there would be no recovery. Buying into a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so.

Lets get real.

We are talking over 2000 years ago, and a STORY!

IF Jesus - the rabble-rouser - was crucified, - he probable ended up burnt to ash on Gehenna, - with the rest of the criminals.

All we have is a story - by his followers - whom also said he was born of a "virgin," that magi brought him gold, said he was a God-man, etc.

All we have are later stories trying to make him more godlike.

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[Serenity Now]

Lets get real.

We are talking over 2000 years ago, and a STORY!

IF Jesus - the rabble-rouser - was crucified, - he probable ended up burnt to ash on Gehenna, - with the rest of the criminals.

All we have is a story - by his followers - whom also said he was born of a "virgin," that magi brought him gold, said he was a God-man, etc.

All we have are later stories trying to make him more godlike.

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Your opinion is noted.

Thank You

 

[First Baseman]

Lets get real.

We are talking over 2000 years ago, and a STORY!

IF Jesus - the rabble-rouser - was crucified, - he probable ended up burnt to ash on Gehenna, - with the rest of the criminals.

All we have is a story - by his followers - whom also said he was born of a "virgin," that magi brought him gold, said he was a God-man, etc.

All we have are later stories trying to make him more godlike.

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Well, scientists do try to tell us about events they claim happened billions of years ago. So 2000 years should seem a rather short time to them.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Well, scientists do try to tell us about events they claim happened billions of years ago. So 2000 years should seem a rather short time to them.

The difference is in the contents of the claim and the veracity of the evidence they are based on. The Bible makes very specific claims about events and individuals, almost none of which have been verified by extra-Biblical sources.

 

[blue taylor]

The Roza Bal Shrine of Srinagar, Kashmir. Burial place of Jesus.

 

[Ingledsva]

Well, scientists do try to tell us about events they claim happened billions of years ago. So 2000 years should seem a rather short time to them.

They use science, - and you have nothing but a book written by ancient tribal humans, that thought the earth was a flattened round pancake shape, with the heavens a tent above, with YHVH sitting on top!

I think I'll side with science as apposed to the mythical in the Bible.

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[ThePainefulTruth]

Lets get real.

We are talking over 2000 years ago, and a STORY!

IF Jesus - the rabble-rouser - was crucified, - he probable ended up burnt to ash on Gehenna, - with the rest of the criminals.

Not necessarily, especially if he had a wealthy sponsor (his wife, Mary Magdala), or high placed friends in the Sanhedrin (Gamaliel, Joseph of Arimathea) who had the influence to request the body of Jesus with it not being the usual Roman practice to grant such requests involving a insurgent against the Empire/Caesar.

All we have is a story - by his followers - whom also said he was born of a "virgin," that magi brought him gold, said he was a God-man, etc.

All that pagan mumbo-jumbo was inserted by Paul long after Jesus' death. Paul was a Roman citizen as a result of his Herodian heritage, and he was responsible for morphing the religion of Jesus' early followers into Mithraism from his hometown in Tarsus--the center of Mithraism in the Roman Empire, and which was the pagan religion of choice of most of the Roman elite, especially military officers.

All we have are later stories trying to make him more godlike.

True, but it's not all we have. There remains an historical core. The idea is to dispassionately uncover the historical (non-supernatural) Truth, and let that Truth stand on its own.

Well, scientists do try to tell us about events they claim happened billions of years ago. So 2000 years should seem a rather short time to them.

So what are you saying, nothing happened before approximately 4000 BCE?

 

[Ingledsva]

Not necessarily, especially if he had a wealthy sponsor (his wife, Mary Magdala), or high placed friends in the Sanhedrin (Gamaliel, Joseph of Arimathea) who had the influence to request the body of Jesus with it not being the usual Roman practice to grant such requests involving a insurgent against the Empire/Caesar.

All that pagan mumbo-jumbo was inserted by Paul long after Jesus' death. Paul was a Roman citizen as a result of his Herodian heritage, and he was responsible for morphing the religion of Jesus' early followers into Mithraism from his hometown in Tarsus--the center of Mithraism in the Roman Empire, and which was the pagan religion of choice of most of the Roman elite, especially military officers.

True, but it's not all we have. There remains an historical core. The idea is to dispassionately uncover the historical (non-supernatural) Truth, and let that Truth stand on its own.

I have no problem with a historical Jesus claiming to be the awaited Messiah.

I have problems with the mythical crap added to his story. And I agree that Saul-Paul morphed the religion - adding in the Pagan.

However, giving the rabble-rouser rich sponsors, is just their way of continuing the story, - with Jesus put in a rich-man's tomb. It is very unlikely.

It is more likely that the rabble-rouser was burnt at Gehenna - like other criminals, - so they made up the rich man's tomb story, - for the Human Messiah they were turning into a Pagan God.

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[First Baseman]

Ingledsva, you produce the bones/remains of Jesus of Nazareth and I'll hear you. Otherwise, we're done. Have a good day.

 

[Ingledsva]

Ingledsva, you produce the bones/remains of Jesus of Nazareth and I'll hear you. Otherwise, we're done. Have a good day.

1. USE the REPLY BUTTON. It notifies the person that you have replied to them.

2. LOL! The bones of a criminal Jesus, - if he even existed, - would probably be burnt to ash on Gehenna.

3. where are King Herod's bones?

4. Where are Joseph's bones?

5. Not finding bones, does not mean a supernatural event took place.

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[ThePainefulTruth]

5. Not finding bones, does not mean a supernatural event took place.

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No, but finding bones does mean a supernatural resurrection didn't take place. Of course the Jews already staked out the spiritual resurrection position, so Paul had go with the physical in order to sell it to the Gentiles. Some would judge that to be a tactical error, but then you'd be underestimating the power of the redaction pen, and the ease of choosing blind faith over reasoned thought.