Where are the remains of Jesus of Nazareth?

[paarsurrey]

Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in old age. His ministry in Judea was only of three years, rest of his life he lived elsewhere. Was Jesus an impotent (I take refuge of G-d) person that he should have had no children in other places where he lived and spent his life? No disrespect intended, please.
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See the contradictions in the Christian thinking, their Jesus-god they believe to be omnipotent, yet Jesus-son-of-Adam they are bent upon believing to be impotent. Had they searched for the remains of Jesus, they would have found them, but they cannot afford the consequences.
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[columbus]

See the contradictions in the Christian thinking,

Non muslims are quite confident that the remains are not to be found.
It is Muslims who believe that they know differently. But they are not interested in having their beliefs called into question by finding out that they are wrong, so they don't investigate the evidence that they claim to have.
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

Non muslims are quite confident that the remains are not to be found.
It is Muslims who believe that they know differently. But they are not interested in having their beliefs called into question by finding out that they are wrong, so they don't investigate the evidence that they claim to have.
Tom

Which non-Muslims?
The thread was started by a Christian, so they are interested.
Why should not the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics be non-interested when they are pitched against all the denominations of Christianity as we observe in this forum and the news?
In the words of Paul, Christianity is proved false if "Jesus did not die on the Cross". It is the back-bone of Christianity.
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[Saint Frankenstein]

See the contradictions in the Christian thinking, their Jesus-god they believe to be omnipotent, yet Jesus-son-of-Adam they are bent upon believing to be impotent. Had they searched for the remains of Jesus, they would have found them, but they cannot afford the consequences.
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Impotence? He is God. Being God, the Creator, is about as potent as you can be. A guy ejaculating into a woman is nothing compared to that. Any fool with a penis can do that.

Besides, that wasn't the point of His earthly mission. He was here to show us the Way and to achieve Salvation for humanity, thereby opening Heaven to us, which had been shut to us from the time of Adam and Eve's sin. Getting married and having a family doesn't factor into all that.

 

[columbus]

Which non-Muslims?
The thread was started by a Christian, so they are interested.

First Baseman is a Christian. He believes that Jesus ascended to heaven. Like people who believe that Jesus is a fictional character, he doesn't believe that there are any earth remains.
Most of us believe Jesus died on the cross and His remains are scattered in the dust along with those of the other millions of people who lived and died there.

It is mainly Muslims who believe that they have special knowledge about Jesus life and that remains could be identified. But, as far as I know, they don't seem to care.

Or maybe, they don't really believe and just can't say so aloud. Contradiction of such a fundamental belief would get you in a lot of trouble in most Muslim places.
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

I add further to my post #282:

12Now if Christ be preached, that he arose again from the dead, how do some among you say, that there is no resurrection of the dead?13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again.14And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God: because we have given testimony against God, that he hath raised up Christ; whom he hath not raised up, if the dead rise not again.16For if the dead rise not again, neither is Christ risen again.17And if Christ be not risen again, your faith is vain, for you are yet in your sins.18Then they also that are fallen asleep in Christ, are perished.19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.​

http://biblehub.com/drb/1_corinthians/15.htm
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[viole]

I add further to my post #282:

12Now if Christ be preached, that he arose again from the dead, how do some among you say, that there is no resurrection of the dead?
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Because your (Paul) belief in the resurrection of the dead has been probably caused by a sunstroke.

13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again.

Correct.

14And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Correct.

15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God: because we have given testimony against God, that he hath raised up Christ; whom he hath not raised up, if the dead rise not again.

Non sequitur, there might be not such a thing as God.

16For if the dead rise not again, neither is Christ risen again.17And if Christ be not risen again, your faith is vain, for you are yet in your sins.

Non sequitur, there might not be such a thing as sins.

18Then they also that are fallen asleep in Christ, are perished.

Correct.

19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

http://biblehub.com/drb/1_corinthians/15.htm
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Luckily, I am a woman, lol.

Ciao

- viole

 

[NulliuSINverba]

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#1.) For there to be any remains, the person in question would've necessarily had to exist first, correct?
#2.) See #1.

 

[columbus]

You haven't read the Bible? The resurrection occurs before Paul even becomes a Xian. In fact, his name wasn't even Paul at the time, it was Saul.

Remarkable lack of cognitive function.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Your still trying to backpeddle yourself out of your quagmire of faulty reasoning? Sheesh you sure have dedication.

Which quagmire would that be?
Is it relevant to this thread?
Y'know, like the one you deleted?
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

#1.) For there to be any remains, the person in question would've necessarily had to exist first, correct?
#2.) See #1.

I endorse you.
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[paarsurrey]

Jesus could not die on the Cross, that would have made him a false prophet. So the remains of Jesus could not be found at the place of the Cross, and naturally would be found where he moved from there. Christians are not interested in this as that makes their religion false. Jesus was delivered from the Cross, but the Christians remains tied and nailed to Cross instead.
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[columbus]

Jesus could not die on the Cross, that would have made him a false prophet.

Jesus is not a prophet. So He can not be a false prophet.
You just don't have enough faith to see the truth about this.
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus is not a prophet. So He can not be a false prophet.
You just don't have enough faith to see the truth about this.
Tom

Then what was Jesus if he was not a prophet?
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[columbus]

Then what was Jesus if he was not a prophet?
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Only Muslims think that Jesus is a prophet.

From fictional character, to rabble rouser, to God Himself, most people know Jesus is not a prophet.

It is only your trust in the humans who invented Islam that is causing your mistake about this.
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

Please list names of the witnesses , their antecedents and other information about them.
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Is there such a list?
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[ThePainefulTruth]

Only Muslims think that Jesus is a prophet.

From fictional character, to rabble rouser, to God Himself, most people know Jesus is not a prophet.

It is only your trust in the humans who invented Islam that is causing your mistake about this.
Tom

Jesus thought he was the anointed One. He thought if he took a force into the Temple and cleanse it of all the priestly/money-changing corruption, that God would reinhabit the Temple and rule. They held it for a day, but God was a no show. At that point, he pissed off a lot of his followers a lot more than the priests and Romans, who then turned on him (the only reasonable explanation for why they would so quickly) and demanded his death. He was crucified on the Mt. of Olives, buried temporarily in a nearby tomb, then transferred to his final resting place in a tomb in Talbiot, a suburb of Jerusalem. In 1980, construction workers uncovered the tomb with 10 ossuaries, one of which was his, but the bones, which were being used as playthings by some children, were gathered one of the children's mothers, and turned over to the authorities. The authorities, back then, thought they were in the clear, and they were then. But 50 years of DNA science makes it possible to get complete samples by soaking up any DNA residue in the bottom of the ossuaries. Now the only obstacle is getting past the authorities.

Christians should take some comfort that early Jesus/Jews didn't believe in bodily resurrection, which was developed by Paul when he blended it with Mithraism.

I just returned yesterday from a historical/archaeological tour of Israel where I visited the site, though it's all sealed by a concrete slab.

This is the facade.....

......under this.

It's virtually proven even with limited DNA evidence. But unless you want me to cut and past large sections of the books on the subject, which would have to be read with an open mind, we'll just have to leave it as the impasse it will continue to be for generations to come--no matter how much evidence for, and none against.

 

[Ingledsva]

I add further to my post #282:

12Now if Christ be preached, that he arose again from the dead, how do some among you say, that there is no resurrection of the dead?13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again.14And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God: because we have given testimony against God, that he hath raised up Christ; whom he hath not raised up, if the dead rise not again.16For if the dead rise not again, neither is Christ risen again.17And if Christ be not risen again, your faith is vain, for you are yet in your sins.18Then they also that are fallen asleep in Christ, are perished.19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.​

http://biblehub.com/drb/1_corinthians/15.htm
Regards

This idea of "rising" from the dead comes from the Hebrew, and is the rising from Sheol, not a dead body rising from a grave.

Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, - whom brings about the end, - and the Final Judgment of ALL people (both good and bad,) - whom are in Sheol.

At that Final Judgment they rise, or remain dead in the grave/Sheol.

It is strange that later people decided this meant dead people rising and walking around the city, and thus wrote those stories.

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[paarsurrey]

This idea of "rising" from the dead comes from the Hebrew, and is the rising from Sheol, not a dead body rising from a grave.
Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, - whom brings about the end, - and the Final Judgment of ALL people (both good and bad,) - whom are in Sheol.
At that Final Judgment they rise, or remain dead in the grave/Sheol.
It is strange that later people decided this meant dead people rising and walking around the city, and thus wrote those stories.

"not a dead body rising from a grave."
I agree with you.
Regards

 

[Muffled]

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I believe there are no remains because He is still alive.