Where are the remains of Jesus of Nazareth?

[viole]

Good question. Because He answers prayer and because it is obvious that He created (Romans 1:19-20).

Yes, He answers prayers with yes, if the reqest comes true and with no, if that does not fit with His will. Same hit ratio as praying to that glass of beer in front of me, I am afraid.

And just because Paul says that something is obvious, does not make it so. I mean, who would create the black plaugue bacterium?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nietzsche]

I just gave the clues and suggested in some of my posts that carbon-dating of relics and DNA checking of the person buried there should be done and also suggested that those should be checked with the DNAs of the persons who claims to be progeny of Jesus or his relatives. Is that not possible?
Regards

How would you determine who is/isn't related to Jesus of Nazareth? This is the problem. Even if we could, mass swathes of humanity would refuse to believe it because it contradicts their belief system. They refuse to believe even things that are patently obvious, why would they believe we'd found the corpse of their god?

Wow. I'm sure glad we'll always have the unchanging Genesis account. Genesis needn't be changed because it is correct. It needs no tweaks. But you can stay with your ever changing theories if you will if that's okay for you.

From the same book that claims bats are birds? And that Pi is just 3? One would hope someone who had a literal line to the arbiter of all knowledge could get those two things right, or at least less wrong.

 

[paarsurrey]

How would you determine who is/isn't related to Jesus of Nazareth?

Just as we do with others. How would you determine as to who is/isn't related to you, please?
Regards

 

[Nietzsche]

Just as we do with others. How would you determine as to who is/isn't related to you, please?
Regards

I wasn't aware we had genetic evidence of Mary or Joseph.

 

[paarsurrey]

Another clue:
Gospel according to John states:

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
http://biblehub.com/john/10-16.htm

Again Gospel accoding to Matthew states:

Matthew 18:12
"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?
http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-12.htm

So as advised by Jesus in Matthew 18:12 the empty tomb does indicate that his remains should be looked into where lost 10 ten tribes migrated and that was towards the East.
Jesus had no need to ascend to skies in fear of Jews specifically when he himself had indicated where he could take refuge.

Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How would you determine who is/isn't related to Jesus of Nazareth?

Boyd Rice thinks he's a descendant of Christ.

 

[paarsurrey]

Boyd Rice thinks he's a descendant of Christ.

I don't know Boyd Rice but I get following from the internet:
Boyd Rice Interview
from Primal Chaos
by Vadge Moore (of The Dwarves / Chthonic Force)

“BOYD: Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. (Laughter) Yeah, Jesus Christ. The story is that Christ was of direct Davidic descent. He came from King David, King Solomon, and didn't die on the cross. Then he came to France with Mary Magdalene or if he did die on the cross she came across pregnant with his child. She came with his brother and some other people. And from those people came all of the royal families of France, and Germany and the Visigoths and Franks.
VADGE: So, what you're saying is that Christ was not celibate.
BOYD: No. I mean'Christ was a Rabbi and Rabbi's are kind of bound by law to have children. As a matter of fact; somebody at the age of thirty-three he could of had a number of children by that time.
VADGE: So that bloodline is carried on. Which brings me to the Dagobert's Revenge people whose web site turned me on to the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" that relates this whole story. This is a very elite, royal group that has been trying to carry on it's tradition and it's blood for centuries and centuries now.
BOYD: Yeah.
VADGE: So Boyd Rice is basically a direct descendant of Jesus Christ?!
BOYD: Yeah. And I don't think anybody really understood his philosophy. It's been misinterpreted for two thousand years and I think I'm here to set the record straight.”
http://www.boydrice.com/interviews/primalchaos.html

Did you mean the above?
Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't know Boyd Rice but I get following from the internet:
Boyd Rice Interview
from Primal Chaos
by Vadge Moore (of The Dwarves / Chthonic Force)

“BOYD: Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. (Laughter) Yeah, Jesus Christ. The story is that Christ was of direct Davidic descent. He came from King David, King Solomon, and didn't die on the cross. Then he came to France with Mary Magdalene or if he did die on the cross she came across pregnant with his child. She came with his brother and some other people. And from those people came all of the royal families of France, and Germany and the Visigoths and Franks.
VADGE: So, what you're saying is that Christ was not celibate.
BOYD: No. I mean'Christ was a Rabbi and Rabbi's are kind of bound by law to have children. As a matter of fact; somebody at the age of thirty-three he could of had a number of children by that time.
VADGE: So that bloodline is carried on. Which brings me to the Dagobert's Revenge people whose web site turned me on to the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" that relates this whole story. This is a very elite, royal group that has been trying to carry on it's tradition and it's blood for centuries and centuries now.
BOYD: Yeah.
VADGE: So Boyd Rice is basically a direct descendant of Jesus Christ?!
BOYD: Yeah. And I don't think anybody really understood his philosophy. It's been misinterpreted for two thousand years and I think I'm here to set the record straight.”
http://www.boydrice.com/interviews/primalchaos.html

Did you mean the above?
Regards

I wouldn't expect you to know who Boyd Rice is and I wasn't responding to you. But yeah, I mean him.

 

[paarsurrey]

I wouldn't expect you to know who Boyd Rice is and I wasn't responding to you. But yeah, I mean him.

Is there a reason as to why his claim is to be rejected? Please.
Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is there a reason as to why his claim is to be rejected? Please.
Regards

Because Jesus didn't have any kids. Simple.

 

[Nietzsche]

Because Jesus didn't have any kids. Simple.

Ah-ah-ah! That isn't right. You should say "Because Jesus had no children we are aware of."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Ah-ah-ah! That isn't right. You should say "Because Jesus had no children we are aware of."

You be quiet.

 

[paarsurrey]

Because Jesus didn't have any kids. Simple.

Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in old age. His ministry in Judea was only of three years, rest of his life he lived elsewhere. Was Jesus an impotent (I take refuge of G-d) person that he should have had no children in other places where he lived and spent his life? No disrespect intended, please.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Ah-ah-ah! That isn't right. You should say "Because Jesus had no children we are aware of."

A good point, I appreciate it.
I agree with you. Jesus had no children the Christians are aware of. They are ignorant in this connection.
Reagards

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is the bible a suitable instrument to find remains of Jesus?


Romans historically would have forbidden removal of executed persons within the timeframe Jesus was said to be taken down anyways. Forbidding executed any proper timely burial. Bodies were hung to the point of decay and ravages of nature serving as a graphic example to others that happen to pass by as reminders to those who fall out of favor.

 

[columbus]

A good point, I appreciate it.
I agree with you. Jesus had no children the Christians are aware of. They are ignorant in this connection.
Reagards

The difference is that Christians have better information than you do.
The humans you trust for facts on this subject weren't born until centuries later. So they are far far less likely to know what is true than the ones just a few years later.
The fact that they claim the information comes from God is not even plausible, except to people who have put a great deal of trust in that particular group of humans already.
You can pick any human authority you prefer, but that doesn't mean that they know anything on the subject.
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

Is the bible a suitable instrument to find remains of Jesus?
Romans historically would have forbidden removal of executed persons within the timeframe Jesus was said to be taken down anyways. Forbidding executed any proper timely burial. Bodies were hung to the point of decay and ravages of nature serving as a graphic example to others that happen to pass by as reminders to those who fall out of favor.

So search for the remains of Jesus must continue in the lands people claim Jesus visited and lived and the claims of all people who claim to be Jesus' progeny their DNA checked with Jesus', his mother and other relations and the carbon-dating of the artefacts relating to Jesus should be done. In this way science would be happy to come forward to the service of religion.
Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in old age. His ministry in Judea was only of three years, rest of his life he lived elsewhere. Was Jesus an impotent (I take refuge of G-d) person that he should have had no children in other places where he lived and spent his life? No disrespect intended, please.
Regards

I don't believe in the "Jesus in India" myths. They mean nothing to me. I believe what the Gospels say about His life, His death on the cross and His miraculous Resurrection.

 

[columbus]

So search for the remains of Jesus must continue in the lands people claim Jesus visited and lived and the claims of all people who claim to be Jesus' progeny their DNA checked with Jesus', his mother and other relations and the carbon-dating of the artefacts relating to Jesus should be done. In this way science would be happy to come forward to the service of religion.
Regards

There is nothing stopping anybody from doing this research. One rich Muslim could easily fund it. And the science is there, waiting to be used.
Why do you suppose nobody is willing to invest a few million bucks in the project? Finding a few people who are demonstrably descendants of Jesus Christ would be quite a game changer.

But, somehow, nobody seems to think that demonstrating the accuracy of the Quran is worth it.
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

There is nothing stopping anybody from doing this research. One rich Muslim could easily fund it. And the science is there, waiting to be used.
Why do you suppose nobody is willing to invest a few million bucks in the project? Finding a few people who are demonstrably descendants of Jesus Christ would be quite a game changer.

But, somehow, nobody seems to think that demonstrating the accuracy of the Quran is worth it.
Tom

It was a Catholic Christian who started this thread as he was interested in the remains of Jesus. I am just suggesting the clues as to where Jesus' remains possibly could be found. The Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics don't believe that Jesus ascended to skies, so they could fund the project to prove it wrong. I don't have any objection to it.
Regards