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Where is the soul?

St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
Soul could be in a detached pocket of feeling, so if you drop a brick on your foot only you would feel it. You feel detached from the rest of matter in the universe it is only through the organism which expresses such feelings you have this thing called "soul". So more to the point of the Cartesian line of "I think therefore I am" it would be "I feel therefore I am" or sentio ergo sum.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If the soul was a separate spirit body, or detached pocket of feeling, then how does one explain Ezekiel 18vs4,20; Acts 3v23 that the soul dies or can be destroyed?
 

Onlooker

Member
If the soul was a separate spirit body, or detached pocket of feeling, then how does one explain Ezekiel 18vs4,20; Acts 3v23 that the soul dies or can be destroyed?
IMO, this forum has fused spirit/soul/emotions all together.
If you believe in a spiritual world (God/Satan/Angles/Demons etc) that is a component of you that can influence your soul/mind but can be changed.
I believe the soul/mind involves your conscious/subconscious (which defines you, past and present) which is hard to change (hard to change your memories or the filters that are your subconscious).
An example: You go into a Pagans house, see the alter they have, walk in the party they are having, there is often a "presence"/"energy" or some feeling you get (could be good or bad) that is not an emotion. You leave and cross the street to some church, you see the worshiping, the "party" they are having and often there is a "presence"/"energy" or some feeling you get( again, not an emotion but a real thing).
I believe these are a spiritual aspect that can affect you. That is not your soul/mind/conscious/subconscious, and it can come and go.
Your soul is something that will follow you when you die, and if you believe in the afterlife, you will meet the Creator, and answer Him (you need your soul/mind/conscious/subconscious to communicate with the questions He will have). If you are placed in a bad place, your soul will die (eventually, which would be a humane thing not to be in a bad place for infinity).
 
Hi! A human IS a soul. He/she doesn't have a soul. -Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 18:4- "Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die".
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
IMO, this forum has fused spirit/soul/emotions all together.
Your soul is something that will follow you when you die, and if you believe in the afterlife, you will meet the Creator, and answer Him (you need your soul/mind/conscious/subconscious to communicate with the questions He will have). If you are placed in a bad place, your soul will die (eventually, which would be a humane thing not to be in a bad place for infinity).

Did Adam's soul follow him when he died?
Before Adam was created he did not exist anywhere.
When Adam became alive according to Gen 2v7 Adam [all of Adam] came to be a living soul. So at death Adam came to be a dead soul or lifeless soul.
The ashes to ashes, dust to dust thing.
So Adam's soul, his being, did not follow him to another realm.

'Afterlife' in Scripture is: Resurrection. -Acts 24v15
Resurrection to either immortal life in heaven ruling with Christ for 1000-years, or resurrection to everlasting life on earth. [Rev 20v6; 5vs9,10]
Except for those of Matthew 12v32, the majority of mankind [all that died before Christ died] will have an earthly resurrection of sound mind and body that Adam originally had at his creation. Since Christ the way to heavenly life was also opened up, and for the living sheep-like ones of Matthew 25vs31,32 they have the prospect of never having to die, but remain alive on earth right into the start of Jesus 1000-year reign over a beautiful paradisaic earth.
 

Onlooker

Member
Did Adam's soul follow him when he died?
Before Adam was created he did not exist anywhere.
When Adam became alive according to Gen 2v7 Adam [all of Adam] came to be a living soul. So at death Adam came to be a dead soul or lifeless soul.
The ashes to ashes, dust to dust thing.
So Adam's soul, his being, did not follow him to another realm.
Alot is going on in this forum.
I apologize for contradicting my own belief. My belief is man is spirit/soul/body.
In my effort to pick apart the soul/mind from spiritual influence, I talked about the soul being present in the afterlife for your "accounting" with the creator.
The Hebrew sages Rambam/Rashi and many others are in disagreement concerning the soul of man.
My favorite is "when man sleeps, the body speaks to the neshamah soul and the neshamah soul speaks to the nefesh soul and the nefesh soul soul speaks to an angel."
In that statement, he views body-soul-spirit.(My interpretation, btw I don't speak Hebrew so I cant even begin to argue the nuances, I just read their views)
They are all interrelated but separate.
In my last posting I was trying to show that the spirit can affect the body/soul.(And a spirit can affect your soul/mind/conscious, but its separate and should be recognized in this evaluation of "who we are")
But, I believe when you die, the spirit is the actual "being" that is "alive" afterward, but this has been with your soul/mind it functions as the cognitive/soul/mind and functions as the body which is obviously gone.
So the soul/mind and body die, "spirit" lives on (serving the capacity as the soul/mind and body).
To answer you specifically, Adam's body and soul died, but his "spirit" (which functions as his soul since you are cognitive enough to answer the Creators questions) is in "Abrahams boosom".
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
Soul could be in a detached pocket of feeling, so if you drop a brick on your foot only you would feel it. You feel detached from the rest of matter in the universe it is only through the organism which expresses such feelings you have this thing called "soul". So more to the point of the Cartesian line of "I think therefore I am" it would be "I feel therefore I am" or sentio ergo sum.


I think cogito ergo sum what more applicable :D
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
From what I read the "soul" is a type of consciousness. From my understanding consciousness is merely a series of neurotransmission from the body to the brain that basically allows us to experience our reality. If the soul is something detached from this experience then how can one experience the soul?
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe that, if there even is one, it is probably our energy or our consciousness or maybe even both. Not sure though.

Some will say all around inside of us, others will say in the deepest core of the body.
 
The part of our being that receives eternal life is a person’s character. Our character is who we are and it is forged over a person’s life. Every person is important for their own unique character because that is our soul. Each and every one of the millions of humans born into this world will have their own character. Over a person’s life there are many experiences, difficulties, and hardships, which challenge our character. As a person overcomes these obstacles their character becomes stronger. GOD does not want couch potato characters. He wants characters that have been tried and tested many, many times. It is at the worst of times that the true character of our soul is revealed and forged stronger. This is because our character is our soul and it is the strongest part of our being. It is the only part of humankind which can be made eternal.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
So, where is the soul, and what does it do?

Soul resides in the space next to ours. That space is visually ocean/water like but more or less "air" in nature. The area around the earth is named Hades, the part overlapping with planet earth is a darker place can be called the abyss. So the construction of such a place is more or less ocean/sea like, that is, the deeper the ocean/sea is the darker it is.

I think that one of the soul's characteristics which differs from spirit is that soul is somehow "transparent" and invisible by default. You have to manifest yourself in a form for others to "see" you. Of course, that transparency is relative to other usual souls and spirits, God and perhaps some angels can still "see" the soul.

Moreover, I suspect that perhaps after some training, a soul can also with its form somehow displayed.

A spirit on the other hand, carries a default visible form. For example, a cherub is a 2-winged angel, while a seraphim is perhaps a 6-winged angel.

And souls speak lanaguages in a special way which I suspect that it has all to do with the mysterious "speak in tongue".
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
A core belief of many religions is that there exists some sort of spiritual entity in each living person, usually called a "soul".

My question to theists on this board, is where does this soul reside? And what does the soul do, exactly?

A straightforward look at the evidence does not bode well for the existence of the soul. We can eliminate possible locations of the soul by noticing that people still retain their personalities, beliefs, etc., when they lose limbs, or when certain organs are transplanted. Eventually, we are left with the conclusion that the only important location for personality, belief, etc., is the brain.

So it appears that the soul must reside in the brain. However, it does not appear that the brain actually needs a "soul" to function. Indeed, the growing field of neuroscience has identified parts of the brain that are responsible for particular types of cognition, and there is a well-established model (i.e., the firing of interconnected neurons) that explains how such cognition takes place. In fact, such studies have even discovered parts of the brain responsible for moral judgments, and these judgments have been manipulated by such simple techniques as subjecting the relevant brain area to weak magnetic fields.

So, where is the soul, and what does it do?

I will quote a part of the "Book of Spirits" which is one of the main books in the Spiritism:

"
[ 146. Has the soul a circumscribed and determinate seat in the body?
"No but it may be said to reside more especially in the head, in the case of men of great
genius and of all who think much, and in the heart, in the case of those who feel much, and
whose actions have always a humanitarian aim."
- What is to be thought of the opinion of those who place the soul in a centre of organic life?
"The spirit may be said to inhabit more especially such a part of your organism, because it is
to such a part that all the sensations converge; but those who place it in what they consider to
be the centre of vitality confound it with the vital fluid or principle. Nevertheless, it may be
said that the soul is more especially present in the organs which serve for the manifestation of​
the intellectual and moral qualities." ]"

Also , another interesting part of the same book:

" [
141. Is there any thruth in the opinion of those who suppose that the soul is exterior to the
body and environs it?
"The soul is not shut up in the body like a bird in a cage. It radiates in all directions, and
manifests itself outside the body as a light radiates from a glass globe, or as a sound is
propagated from a sonorous centre. In this sense the soul may be said to be exterior to the​
body, but it is not therefore to be considered as enveloping the body... ]"

About your question regarding what the soul does:

"[136. is the soul independent of the vital principle?'
'“The body is only the envelope of the soul, as we have repeatedly told you."

- Can a body exist without a soul?'
"Yes; but it is only when the body ceases to live that the soul quits it, Previous to birth, the
union between the soul and the body is not complete; but. when this union is definitively
established, it is only the death of the body that can sever the bonds that unite it to the soul,
and thus allow the soul to withdraw from it. Organic life may vitalise a body without a soul, but the soul cannot inhabit a body
deprived of organic life."

- What would our body be if it had no soul?'
"A mass of flesh without intelligence; anything you choose to call it, excepting a man."]"
 
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james2ko

Well-Known Member
So, where is the soul, and what does it do?

This is one of traditional Christianity's biggest misconceptions. The bible reveals man does not have a soul--he is one. Scripture does refer to a "spirit in man"(Job 32:8; Jas 2:26; I Corinthians 2:11). This human spirit works in tandem with the brain and does not have consciousness apart from it (similar to how computer software cannot operate without hardware and vice versa), This "spirit" gives man his intellect/creativity and contains the person's habits (good and bad), personality and character traits. Upon death, it is stored in a heavenly file cabinet (Psa 146:4; Ecc 3:21; 12:7) and returned intact at the appointed resurrection (Isa 26:19; John 5:28; Act 17:31; 1Cor 15:22).
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
Until someone can differentiate between the soul and the body it is impossible to have a logical explanation. I can easily say the soul, as one member put it, is in the space between the physical body however there is really no proof and this really deduces everything down to faith. My philosophy professor once said "isn't it possible your soul is already in heaven and therefore, you really don't need to experience heaven when you die?"

I personally was confused but really I think what my professor boiled it down to is that heaven and hell are nothing more than realities beyond the reality and that the soul occupies either or on the basis of moral/religious merit. But if we experience "rivers of flowing water" and intense bliss then aren't we defining such realities basically how we view our own just in a more intense state? I believe when we reduce the soul and the experience and separate it from physical sensation I believe then we can progress into what the soul truly is.
 
Until someone can differentiate between the soul and the body it is impossible to have a logical explanation. I can easily say the soul, as one member put it, is in the space between the physical body however there is really no proof and this really deduces everything down to faith.

The soul is our character. It is an open book that our lives write. Faith is a pen to write with.
 

KeithH

Member
Doppelganger:

So your problem remains: Classifiers come into use because they signify some experience or abstraction from experience (such as "chair") that is real."

I think we would concur that there is no such thing as a pink unicorn with fluffy blue wings, yet I can construct symbolic language to describe such a thing. Certainly, the concept of a pink unicorn with blue wings is constructed using elements that do, indeed, have real examples: horses are real, as are horns and wings. But the human mind is capable of putting these real things together in unrealistic ways, and it uses existing symbols.

In this sense, then, the "soul" can be thought of as an unrealistic combination of real things (and I gather this is pretty much the way you see it). Personality is real and life is real. But life after death is not real, and nor is the ability of the personality to persist without a physical body.


So do you agree in principle with strict determinism?

Strict determinism claims that events are, in principle, perfectly predictable, so there is only one possible future. I cannot quite agree with this for the simple reason that the motion of atomic particles is not, according to quantum mechanics, completely deterministic. This behavior trickles down to an infinitesimally small, yet non-zero, effect on large-scale objects such as people and their brains.
 

KeithH

Member
atanu:

1. Your hypothetical ground is that you are a living intelligent individual, separate from all other such individuals and non-living beings that comprise the universe (somewhat like Newtonian mechanics). Your hypothesis denies any common general aspect running through alkl phenomenon.

2. My hypothetical premise is that the knowledge principle (we call it Atma or Soul) is one indivisible sAmAnya (general) that runs through all phenomenon. The general is never born/manifest. The general is evident only in its vishesha (particulars or characteristics). The knowledge principle is thus manifested/reflected in its particular, the Mind, which again is indivisible one -- encompassing everything that can be known directly or through report (somewhat like wave mechanics). All sentient and non-sentient beings are in this Mind.

We can now examine as to which hypothetical ground gives to more correct predictions.

It sounds almost to me as if you are interpreting common features between different individuals as a single feature that is shared by individuals. For example, if it turned out that you and I were both good at chess, I can imagine you saying that there is a single essence of chess, say, that we both have access to.

The problem with your hypothesis, as I see it, is that you have to postulate the existence of some sort of universal entity that permeates three-dimensional space, like the fabled ether that was supposed to carry light. What evidence is there of such a thing, and why is it even necessary to explain our observations of human thoughts and interactions? Why is a straightforward biological model not sufficient?

My own hypothesis needs nothing more than 1) human brains and 2) communication between them. It is clear that both of these things exist.
 
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