Where was God...

[atanu]

I've been away. Did you figure it out yet? Where God was before he had made a place to exist? I'm curious also.

Does this question not presuppose that God is an object of mind-senses?

 

[sealchan]

Nothing special.

 

[Trailblazer]

Ok......then where IS God?.....and I really do hate to ask, but how do you 'know' where God is, since you seem to 'know' where (He) isn't?

Just because I know that God is not in nothingness does not mean I know where God IS... I have no idea where God is, nobody knows that except God Himself.
It is said that God resides in His Own High Place, while at the same time God is omnipresent.

 

[Trailblazer]

I claim to have had a couple of such experiences and the stuff I claim as truth which I speak on this forum is more or less the message I feel God wants me to deliver.

Then why not deliver it?

 

[Enoch07]

It is said that God is eternal and created everything. That being the case.....where was God BEFORE God 'created' a place for (Himself) to be?

Same place He has always been, everywhere.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I did.......because science is what replaces God in the question how we came to exist along with the universe. Do you have an alternative in mind?

Sure...lots of them, although the one I personally roll with is 'I dunno'.
My point, though, is that some claim to understand God. I wonder how much that can be true, or how they can be certain it's true in their own mind?

To be clear, it's not Gods existence that interests me in that proposition, more how people think.

 

[Deeje]

Sure...lots of them, although the one I personally roll with is 'I dunno'.

Never could do "I dunno"......annoys the heck out of me. If it is something that I believe can be known, I'll just keep digging until I find the answer that resonates with me.

My point, though, is that some claim to understand God. I wonder how much that can be true, or how they can be certain it's true in their own mind?

From my own personal experience, I believe that God knows us first. If we have what he's looking for, he will introduce himself to us in ways that must be experienced since words don't quite describe it. God is not a figment of someone's imagination...his reality is irrefutable to those who know him...or should I say, are known by him.

To be clear, it's not Gods existence that interests me in that proposition, more how people think.

I too sometimes what drives people's thinking....but here we are....humans beings on a constantly changing planet that we find hard to share.....sometimes its hard to even share a bit of floor on this spaceship.

One day I believe we will all know who God is....some of us won't like him.....others will welcome him like a well recognized friend. How can you be friends with someone you don't know?

 

[shunyadragon]

Ok......then where IS God?.....and I really do hate to ask, but how do you 'know' where God is, since you seem to 'know' where (He) isn't?

It has been repeated many times nobody knows . . .

 

[Faithofchristian]

The creation account which you are referencing is fraught with cosmological problems.
For example....it would seem that God created the Planet Earth BEFORE (He) created the Sun for the Earth to orbit around....and THEN (He) created the Moon, but made no mention of it orbiting Planet Earth.....it was just "up there" in the vault of the sky.
And that is just a couple of the problems with that accounting, as it was obviously written by someone who knew NOTHING of how things work. out there in "space".....errr I mean the vault.
So, to get back to your question.......no, I have NO IDEA what God was referring to when (He) said "let there be light, and there was light....God 'saw' it, and declared it was good".
Just more of the nonsense, I have come to expect from the bible.

To answer your first question, As for the earth was created way before there ever was a sun or moon or stars.

That's because people do not know, the things that are impossible with man .
Are possible with God.
for there is nothing impossible with God.
For all things are possible with God.

The light in Genesis 1:3, is the light that only comes from God. Which is called the light of Truth that comes from God.

The light in Genesis 1:14-16 is the light that comes from the Sun and Moon and Stars.

 

[Faithofchristian]

God is sneaky and God is hiding, but God is not in nothingness.

God isn't hiding nor sneaky, Man wanted to run things his way, So all God is doing is stepping aside let man have it his way.

All though God does has a set time, when God will eventually intervene.
If God does not intervene, Man will only destroy themselves eventually.

So God has sat down a time when God will intervene in the affairs man. To prevent man from destroying themselves.
And that time is upon the world.
That God will intervene

 

[shunyadragon]

To answer your first question, As for the earth was created way before there ever was a sun or moon or stars.

One point where @ACEofALLaces is correct,

The creation account which you are referencing is fraught with cosmological problems.

The Genesis view of our physical existence is virtually impossible.

 

[sealchan]

"I claim to have had a couple of such experiences and the stuff I claim as truth which I speak on this forum is more or less the message I feel God wants me to deliver.

Sorry Susan, but I gotta jump in here.....I need to know how you managed to decipher this 'message' that you say you got from God. Are you half human/half God like YOUR messenger?[/QUOTE]

Why would I have to be anything other than human? You could be a messenger too.

We obviously have different opinions on who could qualify for having a God experience. I'm going to leave it at that with respect to this thread.

Here are two more relevant threads:

Dreams and God

God experience can change atheists

 

[ACEofALLaces]

the things that are impossible with man .
Are possible with God.
for there is nothing impossible with God.
For all things are possible with God.

Ok

 

[sealchan]

Then why not deliver it?

I have been...

 

[shunyadragon]

I have been...

I have seen nothing that would be anything significant other than some of the usual diverse conflicting claims many people make.

 

[sealchan]

I have seen nothing that would be anything significant other than some of the usual diverse conflicting claims many people make.

I can make no claims to the effectiveness of my abilities...but I do know I feel called.

Who is to say that Gods messengers must always stand out or even be unique and above others. Certainly they are not universally applauded.

 

[shunyadragon]

I can make no claims to the effectiveness of my abilities...but I do know I feel called.

Who is to say that Gods messengers must always stand out or even be unique and above others. Certainly they are not universally applauded.

Of course not, but there are too many diverse conflicting claims, and what you offer is nothing extraordinary nor significant in your claims.

 

[sealchan]

Of course not, but there are too many diverse conflicting claims, and what you offer is nothing extraordinary nor significant in your claims.

Are you sure you haven't missed it because you are seeing too rationally? When statements like love your enemies were first said, what would rationality have made of it?

One of my big things I say is that my belief is not literal, my sacred scriptures not historical, my God subjective...ate these the sort of rationally conflicted things you've heard me say?

To the point of this thread...God seems to require us to juggle irrational claims which stretch our preference to focus on rational and common sense. Some find this a requirement of faith, others an easy reason to dismiss such thoughts.

 

[shunyadragon]

Are you sure you haven't missed it because you are seeing too rationally? When statements like love your enemies were first said, what would rationality have made of it?

One of my big things I say is that my belief is not literal, my sacred scriptures not historical, my God subjective...ate these the sort of rationally conflicted things you've heard me say?

Widely believed by millions without claiming Divine Revelation. Nonetheless Baha'u'llah revealed the spiritual principle of the science and religions where religious scriptures must be understood in the light of the evolving knowledge of science.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sorry Susan, but I gotta jump in here.....I need to know how you managed to decipher this 'message' that you say you got from God. Are you half human/half God like YOUR messenger?

I do not have to be anything other than human. The Messengers of God have a human part and that is why we as humans can understand them. What they reveal or write can be deciphered by humans because they reveal or write what they KNOW we will be able to understand. The Messengers of God know more than they reveal, but they never reveal more than we can understand at any given time. That is why Jesus said:

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.​

Why would I have to be anything other than human? You could be a messenger too.

Yes, any human such as you or me can be a messenger for God but we cannot be a Messengers from God, not unless God picks us to receive His messages.

We obviously have different opinions on who could qualify for having a God experience. I'm going to leave it at that with respect to this thread.

Here are two more relevant threads:
Dreams and God
God experience can change atheists

Anyone can have a "God experience" but that is not the SAME as receiving a full Revelation from God. Only the Universal Manifestations of God such as Moses, Jesus, Baha'u'llah and Muhammad get those Revelations that later become religions.