Where was God...

[atanu]

It is said that God is eternal and created everything. That being the case.....where was God BEFORE God 'created' a place for (Himself) to be?

Subjectively, where are you when in deep sleep?

 

[Faithofchristian]

That it indeed does. Very astute observation.


Oh, but on the contrary, yes it can. If this God is eternal, it HAD to actually BE somewhere. Would you care to venture a 'guess' as to just what or where that "somewhere" WAS, before anything was created?


And what?....you were expecting to find a hammer and some nails?


That (He) did, since (He) had not created the "light" yet.


I take it then, that it COULD be said that this God was the God of DARKNESS, before (He) said, 'let there be light'?

Wrong, There was always light with God, but not like the physical light that we see and know of.

 

[MonkeyFire]

In the beginning God was... meaning the universe existed "always before," then fire was destroyed and created in a single indivisible moment like a great phoenix.

 

[shunyadragon]

That's nice, but how is it relevant to the initial question?

It was relevant to the post made by @Thief . Other than that I did respond to the initial question.

 

[shunyadragon]

That is just astounding! In the sentence I provided, the word 'before' came before the word 'God', and you chose to actually jump on that so you could declare that there "is no "before" God.
Brilliant!

Not brilliant at all. It is simply the definition of God. There is no 'before' God by definition.

 

[shunyadragon]

and it is written.....
go to your closet and close the door
and the Spirit that knows you will hear your prayer.

dark in there......right?

. . .only from the human perspective if you try and hide in the closet to pray.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

Subjectively, where are you when in deep sleep?

Subjectively, wherever my subconscious brain takes me. Objectively, I am in my bed.
I take it that it is safe to suggest that you simply have no idea, but for whatever reason are reluctant to say so.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

Not brilliant at all. It is simply the definition of God. There is no 'before' God by definition.

Ok, I'll play your game of words with you. So, when I say, before God made Eve, (He) made Adam....you, in your infinite wisdom, would come back and tell me that there can be no 'before' God, right? For no other RATIONAL reason than the word "before" just HAPPENS to come ahead of the word God.

 

[osgart]

"There must be a perpetrating energy."

What does that mean?
(No fair making something up)

That was perpetual, not perpetrating!

 

[Audie]

That was perpetual, not perpetrating!

Haha me and my mistypoisms!

What is it when spelled right?

 

[ACEofALLaces]

Wrong, There was always light with God, but not like the physical light that we see and know of.

Oh, so here we go down THAT rabbit hole, ehh? Where things said to be, are not necessarily how they are MEANT to be.

I am cognizant with the concept of a "light" coming on in a person's mind, when they learn of something they had not previously known,
So, what do YOU supposed God meant when (He) said, "Let there be Light"? And then when you're done with that, maybe you can 'enlighten' me as to WHERE was God when (He) uttered those infamous words?

 

[ACEofALLaces]

In the beginning God was... meaning the universe existed "always before,"

Actually, I recall that particular scripture as saying "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Nowhere does it say simply that God "was". Me thinks you just make that up.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

The God I believe is by nature eternal light.

That's nice. Presuming that is actually true, why do you suppose God later on said "let there BE light", if God was already the "light"?

 

[atanu]

Subjectively, wherever my subconscious brain takes me. Objectively, I am in my bed.

You asked: where was God BEFORE God 'created' a place for (Himself) to be?

Therefore, I asked where are you, subjectively, when in deep sleep? The question was meant to point to you that there are existence states for which space-time is not defined.

I take it that it is safe to suggest that you simply have no idea, but for whatever reason are reluctant to say so.

Why have you started doubting me from the first post?

 

[ACEofALLaces]

I would say the question of 'WHERE' does not apply to non-physical things.

So, it could therefore be said that a non-physical being, could not really be anywhere......could even be said to not actually exist, right?

 

[ACEofALLaces]

That's interesting. Why do u think It's a by product and not intentional?

Time is not a 'stand-alone' entity. It is contingent on being able to measure how it takes for something to happen. For that to happen, obviously there must first BE something to measure. And then there needs to be someone there TO measure it.
PRESUMING God made matter and the universe, the ability to "measure" such occurances, became available. Time was not necessarily "created".....it is a BY-PRODUCT of creation.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

Why would God have to be somewhere in order to exist?

I never said, nor inferred that. Why even bring it up?
It is taken as a 'given' by believers, that there IS a God...ie it exists.
Now, hopefully THAT is settled.......the question remains, WHERE was this God BEFORE the God created a place for itself to be.
It is PRESUMED that there was NOTHING prior to God creating it...yet there WAS God.
Can you come up with a RATIONAL explanation for WHERE God was, in all this NOTHINGNESS? It is a logical contradiction and I am attempting to resolve it. Can you help or not?

 

[George-ananda]

So, it could therefore be said that a non-physical being, could not really be anywhere......could even be said to not actually exist, right?

Not being in a physical location is something different than saying it does not exist. No, you can't jump from 'not physically existing' to not existing at all.

Personally, I hold the physical is actually a derivative of the non-physical. And so, the non-physical is more fundamental than the physical.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

Therefore, I asked where are you, subjectively, when in deep sleep? The question was meant to point to you that there are existence states for which space-time is not defined.

So what you are saying is that I should put rationality and common sense aside for the time being, and begin thinking from a totally UNrealistic perspective? Make things up, in other words?

Why have you started doubting me from the first post?

For no other reason, that it appears to me, like most of the respondees to my question, that they would rather attempt to alter the focus of the question, than actually address it head on.
It is my firm conviction that the average "Joe" does not like admitting that they simply "do not know".
You DID ask.....

 

[ACEofALLaces]

Not being in a physical location is something different than saying it does not exist. No, you can't jump from 'not physically existing' to not existing at all.

Sure I can....and I just did. What you need to do for me now, is explain the actual difference between something which cannot be proven to exist, from something that actually does NOT exist.
How does one go about accomplishing that objective?

[QUOTE="George-ananda, post: 6082828, member: 36767"Personally, I hold the physical is actually a derivative of the non-physical. And so, the non-physical is more fundamental than the physical.[/QUOTE]
It definitely is MUCH easier to discuss something of which there is no evidence of it actually existing outside of ones own mind, than to discuss something which DOES exist but defies all sense of reason as to just HOW it exists.
As a general rule, I avoid discussions about "things" which cannot be measured, weighed, seen, touched, and have no 'material' parts...yet are CLAIMED to be true and actually DO exist.