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Which belief closer to Jews (Islam or Christianity)
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SuperScript22
Member
Islam is definitely closer to Judaism in practice, the only thing Christianity has over Islam is that Christians actually believe in the Jewish Bible while Muslims think it's a corrupted book.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
In view of God and some rituals Judaism is closer to Islam.
U can say Christianity is Hellenized form of what was in the beginning " a jewish sect".
There is no way Romans & Greeks would accept Christianity in its true form: real monotheism, viewing Jesus as just human, prophet and messiah.
That would pretty much be Judaism 2.0 with Jesus as final prophet or greatest prophet(than followed by Moses).
U can say Christianity is Hellenized form of what was in the beginning " a jewish sect".
There is no way Romans & Greeks would accept Christianity in its true form: real monotheism, viewing Jesus as just human, prophet and messiah.
That would pretty much be Judaism 2.0 with Jesus as final prophet or greatest prophet(than followed by Moses).
SuperScript22
Member
To be fair, Christianity is considered monotheistic, maybe Jews and Muslims confuse this matter because to them God has no image, but this is what the definition of monotheism is:
"The doctrine or belief that there is only one God."
To Christians, the father, son, and holy spirit are all a single being and part of the same Godhead, not multiple Gods/Goddesses. Whether this makes sense or not is obviously not the issue here because religion is illogical anyways.
Islam
As an Ebionite, my view of Yeshua is almost identical to the Islamic one. Not G-d.
As a Jew, my view of G-d is almost identical to the Islamic one. One G-d.
this very confused subject about Christianity .
many Christians believe Jesus (pbuh) is God ,may some other believe he is son of God (begotten).
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
It depends.
A Jew could pray in a mosque but not a church.
Jews believe in One G-d as do Muslims. Christians have a Trinity.
Jews and Muslims come from Israel and Arabia respectively. They were/ are tribal religions.
Christianity comes from Rome.
However, (although I Googled it, I could not find the exact quotes I was looking for so, this is a paraphrase from memory), In Maimonides' (the Rambam) letter to the Yemenites, he points out that it is permissible to try and teach Christians Torah (if necessary according to halacha) because they believe in Tanach (the "old testament") but have simply made a "balagan"; a confusion out of it and it is possible that they might be able to understand what it truly means.
However, he points out that it is useless to try and teach Muslims Torah because they do not believe in Tanach and consider the entire Torah a "lie" l'havdil.
So? Which is closer to G-d's Torah? Christianity or Islam?
A Jew could pray in a mosque but not a church.
Jews believe in One G-d as do Muslims. Christians have a Trinity.
Jews and Muslims come from Israel and Arabia respectively. They were/ are tribal religions.
Christianity comes from Rome.
However, (although I Googled it, I could not find the exact quotes I was looking for so, this is a paraphrase from memory), In Maimonides' (the Rambam) letter to the Yemenites, he points out that it is permissible to try and teach Christians Torah (if necessary according to halacha) because they believe in Tanach (the "old testament") but have simply made a "balagan"; a confusion out of it and it is possible that they might be able to understand what it truly means.
However, he points out that it is useless to try and teach Muslims Torah because they do not believe in Tanach and consider the entire Torah a "lie" l'havdil.
So? Which is closer to G-d's Torah? Christianity or Islam?
I believe Muslims don't consider Torah a lie, but got altered in some way later one, and not completely. Some teachings are still there in the two, like the obvious oneness concept of God for example. If it was considered a lie, I don't think they would have agreed in some aspect in the modern life.
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
"Ask any Muslim you happen to see...
What's the best tuna - Chicken of the Sea!"
Or something like that.
It is unfortunate but, according to what Muslims base their religion upon today (which is not actually the Koran) - various hadiths and interpretations of whatever - their belief is that the Jews altered; made up; changed; invented; fabricated: or somehow created their version of Torah and Tanach and that Mohammad had to come along and give the correct version.
Whereas Christians believe in their interpretation of Torah and Tanach as coming from G-d but, Jesus came and changed things from then on.
Two very different viewpoints.
Judaism and Islam are closer to each other, over all. Christianity is really the odd one out. I actually find that Traditional Christianity (Catholicism and Orthodoxy) has more in common with Zoroastrianism, Jainism and Buddhism than with either Rabbinic Judaism or Islam when it comes to overall worldview, ethics and asceticism.
Trinitarians believe that Christ is both the Son of God and God the Son.
I'm Muslim and I agree with what you are saying about the Torah, but those do not mean Muslims call it a lie or a completely different version. Saying it is a lie means Muslims don't even believe in it, yet they do. As I said, some teachings are still shared between the two. More examples for that are circumcision and pork prohibition. Circumcision is one of the examples that was not mentioned on the Quran and Muhammad took it from the unchanged parts of the previous Abrahamic religions. Let alone (afaik) that all prophets Jews believe in, Muslims believe in too. I also take the Quran as my first source then the Hadeeth, should there be answers sought.
I think what matters the most is the most basic rule, the oneness of God or G-d. Don't you think so too?
That's what I and others in my community believe as Muslims. I'm not really saying you are wrong. Muslims are so many in this world that things get screwed up because of the human nature and differences.
Is this a rule laid down within Judaism?
I've been to a church a couple times where a Muslim used to attend regularly, and much of the congregation wasn't Christian. I can't imagine they'd have had any problem at all welcoming a Jew there.
Yes.
The idea of the Trinity is generally seen as idolatry in Judaism, which leads to Christian churches being seen as houses of worship built for the purpose of idolatry. And that means they are off limits for Jews to pray in.
Interesting, I didn't know that. Presumably, nontrinitarian churches would be OK? Like the Oneness Pentecostals or the JWs?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Oneness=Jesus is G-d.
No, as they still incorporate Jesus as either an expression of God or as part of a pantheon. Jesus (seen as a human in Judaism ) is usually placed either as incarnation of God or as the object of worship and veneration. And that is idolatry in Judaism.
Does not. Islam feels Christendom in a polytheistic religion ergo
at odds with monotheistic Islam.
Islam does not see Jesus as God and sees the Trinity as
false doctrine. Polytheistic = God +Jesus as Divine+the holy Ghost
is three god's, not one.
Islam has a point there.