Which evolved first --- FRUIT BEARING TREES or FRUIT EATING CREATURES?

[Kirran]

LoL, nice question If I was an atheist, I would say the creatures who eats the fruits were eating somethings another before the fruit trees. They started to eat fruits in time. What would be your answer ?

There are, of course, many theists who also accept evolution

 

[FearGod]

Once again you beg the question, it gets real boring, neither of the alternatives you propose are real, if you want to know what is, I recommend a three credit course at a major research university . You are not important enough to me to hold your hand trough the process, I'm not willing to waste much more time over someone who does not understand what "begging the question" is and who is clearly not interested enough to find out. As far as I can tell your sole interest here is to try and force people who know better to chose between two alternatives that are either the only alternatives that you are wise enough to see or to play a stupid game of "gotcha" by forcing what is know to be an incorrect response. Play this game with young adolescents who can't read at grade level ... you'll find that much more fulfilling.

First i don't care about those stupid philosophical terms of fallacies that you have learnt and memorized in school, second many fools had asked me to get some courses to find the right answers to know that God doesn't exist or doesn't have any role in our universe, but you can't answer not because of circular logic but because of your ((false science)) which is as stupid as philosophy.

 

[FearGod]

There are, of course, many theists who also accept evolution

Evolution is a fact but trying to prove that God has no role in the process which atheists always trying to is IMHO a stupid thing to think about, if not God then it is the inanimate stone by coincidences and chances which doesn't make any sense.

 

[Kirran]

First i don't care about those stupid philosophical terms of fallacies that you have learnt and memorized in school, second many fools had asked me to get some courses to find the right answers to know that God doesn't exist or doesn't have any role in our universe, but you can't answer not because of circular logic but because of your ((false science)) which is as stupid as philosophy.

FearGod, what you do through these questions is set up your own view in opposition to a strawman which inaccurately represents what the opposing side is claiming.

 

[Kirran]

Evolution is a fact but trying to prove that God has no role in the process which atheists always trying to is IMHO a stupid thing to think about, if not God then it is the inanimate stone by coincidences and chances which doesn't make any sense.

Why doesn't it make any sense?

 

[FearGod]

FearGod, what you do through these questions is set up your own view in opposition to a strawman which inaccurately represents what the opposing side is claiming.

My questions were based on facts which he offered, one is how Nitrogen came to existence and the 2nd Oxygen, it isn't my problem if you have no answers, "neither" isn't an answer, better to say i don't know how such things started than saying stupid things.

 

[FearGod]

Why doesn't it make any sense?

Why the inanimate stone doesn't make sense to me ? do you know what inanimate means ?

 

[Kirran]

My questions were based on facts which he offered, one is how Nitrogen came to existence and the 2nd Oxygen, it isn't my problem if you have no answers, "neither" isn't an answer, better to say i don't know how such things started than saying stupid things.

You put forward two options, neither of which was correct. I do not believe that the nitrogen and oxygen making up Earth's atmosphere arrived there by design, and I don't believe it arrived by accident because this implies that it was a mistake by some being. I believe that nitrogen and oxygen came to make up Earth's atmosphere as a result of previous conditions.

Why the inanimate stone doesn't make sense to me ? do you know what inanimate means ?

I know what inanimate means. Nobody says life comes from rocks. It comes from self-organising lipid micelles, nucleic acids and amino acids, among other compounds.

 

[FearGod]

You put forward two options, neither of which was correct. I do not believe that the nitrogen and oxygen making up Earth's atmosphere arrived there by design, and I don't believe it arrived by accident because this implies that it was a mistake by some being. I believe that nitrogen and oxygen came to make up Earth's atmosphere as a result of previous conditions.

Your option then is by coincidences, IOW no one designed it to happen since you refuse the other option, i can see no 3rd option except of dodging.

I know what inanimate means. Nobody says life comes from rocks. It comes from self-organising lipid micelles, nucleic acids and amino acids, among other compounds.

No i didn't mean that, i mean intelligence.

 

[Kirran]

Your option then is by coincidences, IOW no one designed it to happen since you refuse the other option, i can see no 3rd option except of dodging.

I see it as having been deterministically predetermined by prior conditions, this isn't the same as coincidence.

No i didn't mean that, i mean intelligence.

Sorry, would you mind clarifying what you mean here?

 

[LuisDantas]

Evolution is a fact but trying to prove that God has no role in the process which atheists always trying to

Personally, I think that proving such a thing is by definition impossible, but attempting to understand it without appealing to the idea of a deity is very much a worthy goal.

It helps that it also works.

is IMHO a stupid thing to think about, if not God then it is the inanimate stone by coincidences and chances which doesn't make any sense.

If you mean that failing to see a God is unappealling to you, then sure, fair enough. But it does make sense, enough at least for whole technologies to have been developed.

Sometimes I wonder how come there is even any controversy on the matter.

 

[FearGod]

I see it as having been deterministically predetermined by prior conditions, this isn't the same as coincidence.

Which also weren't planned according to your view, so do you have other choice than coincidences, before and after, still coincidences
For example if a huge asteroid strikes the earth by now, then what options we have
either someone planned it to strike earth or it was by coincidence that the asteroid happened to be close to earth.
Is it due to chance that we are lucky that we can't see a huge asteroid coming towards us or it is planned to be so, what if earth by coincidence bombarded by asteroids every now and then.

Sorry, would you mind clarifying what you mean here?

Look at yourself and how your body works, doesn't that needs intelligence.

 

[Kirran]

Which also weren't planned according to your view, so do you have other choice than coincidences, before and after, still coincidences
For example if a huge asteroid strikes the earth by now, then what options we have
either someone planned it to strike earth or it was by coincidence that the asteroid happened to be close to earth.
Is it due to chance that we are lucky that we can't see a huge asteroid coming towards us or it is planned to be so, what if earth by coincidence bombarded by asteroids every now and then.

An asteroid would hit the Earth not by coincidence, but because its orbital path came to intersect that of the Earth as a result of the location of other orbital bodies.

Look at yourself and how your body works, doesn't that needs intelligence.

Not really, no. My cat isn't very intelligent, and it works just fine.

 

[FearGod]

Personally, I think that proving such a thing is by definition impossible, but attempting to understand it without appealing to the idea of a deity is very much a worthy goal.

It helps that it also works.

I agree, i don't have problem of trying to investigate the nature assuming as if there's no deity.

If you mean that failing to see a God is unappealling to you, then sure, fair enough. But it does make sense, enough at least for whole technologies to have been developed.

Sometimes I wonder how come there is even any controversy on the matter.

For me i doesn't need to see God to realize that he exists, i'm just a point of the history of time, this universe isn't ours and we'll pass away and God still God.

 

[FearGod]

An asteroid would hit the Earth not by coincidence, but because its orbital path came to intersect that of the Earth as a result of the location of other orbital bodies.

Which also happened to be so by coincidence.

Not really, no. My cat isn't very intelligent, and it works just fine.

My cat asks me to open the door once she wants to go around by standing at the door and Meow with kindness, when she wants to eat she meow with sadness, maybe you should be smart enough to understand your cat.

And i asked you how your body works and not how your brain works, but i know now how really your brain works which makes my argument with you very hard and boring.

 

[Kirran]

Which also happened to be so by coincidence.

No, these arrangements were the result of previous conditions prior to the Solar System's formation.

My cat asks me to open the door once she wants to go around by standing at the door and Meow with kindness, when she wants to eat she meow with sadness, maybe you should be smart enough to understand your cat.

And i asked you how your body works and not how your brain works, but i know now how really your brain works which makes my argument with you very hard and boring.

Please, there's no reason to be insulting, or to think so negatively about people.

I meant to say that my cat is not as intelligent as a human, by any means. I don't run my body consciously, it happens as a natural process run by metabolic pathways and the subconscious aspects of the nervous system.

 

[FearGod]

No, these arrangements were the result of previous conditions prior to the Solar System's formation.



Please, there's no reason to be insulting, or to think so negatively about people.

I meant to say that my cat is not as intelligent as a human, by any means. I don't run my body consciously, it happens as a natural process run by metabolic pathways and the subconscious aspects of the nervous system.

So you see everything as normal but i don't, end of the nonsense, good luck

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Which also happened to be so by coincidence.


My cat asks me to open the door once she wants to go around by standing at the door and Meow with kindness, when she wants to eat she meow with sadness, maybe you should be smart enough to understand your cat.

And i asked you how your body works and not how your brain works, but i know now how really your brain works which makes my argument with you very hard and boring.

I'm regard to the Nitrogen/Oxygen thing, the semantics are important. One way to help would be to define your terms, and maybe others can provide alternatives, and we
can move onto the next step.

I prefer to see it like this (which is not very rigorous, perhaps. . . But I want to build a bridge). If we accept that asteroids hit the planet and had x effects, we have several possibilities to describe the effects of the phenomena as it relates to human perspective.

1. We are blessed that the asteroids hit the planet.
2. We are cursed that the asteroids hit the planet.
3. We are lucky that the asteroids hit the planet.
4. We are unlucky that the asteroids hit the planet.
5. The asteroids hitting the planet is independent of how we feel about it.

The outcome of your either /or statement draws conclusions for #1 and #3 only. But there are other options.

Option #5 is the correct option, by the way.

 

[FearGod]

I'm regard to the Nitrogen/Oxygen thing, the semantics are important. One way to help would be to define your terms, and maybe others can provide alternatives, and we
can move onto the next step.

I prefer to see it like this (which is not very rigorous, perhaps. . . But I want to build a bridge). If we accept that asteroids hit the planet and had x effects, we have several possibilities to describe the effects of the phenomena as it relates to human perspective.

1. We are blessed that the asteroids hit the planet.
2. We are cursed that the asteroids hit the planet.
3. We are lucky that the asteroids hit the planet.
4. We are unlucky that the asteroids hit the planet.
5. The asteroids hitting the planet is independent of how we feel about it.

The outcome of your either /or statement draws conclusions for #1 and #3 only. But there are other options.

Option #5 is the correct option, by the way.

But it happened to be beneficial to earth for the needs of nitrogen, that wasn't coincidence but that what had happened,
and the photosynthesizing cyanobacteria produced oxygen not by coincidence but that what had happened.

If the earth wasn't bombarded by the asteroids and then no nitrogen on earth and no life, then it wasn't coincidences but that what may had happened.

We aren't debating by coincidence as i ain't expecting you but that what had happened and it's a lucky chance to speak with you.

 

[Kirran]

But it happened to be beneficial to earth for the needs of nitrogen, that wasn't coincidence but that what had happened,
and the photosynthesizing cyanobacteria produced oxygen not by coincidence but that what had happened.

How do you mean beneficial?