Which evolved first, the orbit or the eye?

[FearGod]

Why ?

Happened to be so, if it worked then it'll pass to the next generation, if it didn't
it'll die and hence it won't pass to the next generation, the same thing in everything,
if humans brain evolved to be stupid then it'll fail and die and hence won't pass to the
next generation, only those who evolved with complex brains will survive and pass
the amazing brain to the next generation, make sense

 

[exchemist]

We're debating and not asking for searching tips.

There is no debate. All we have is you asking a series of silly questions. I think you are a disingenuous timewaster. And I have wasted enough time with you.

 

[FearGod]

There is no debate. All we have is you asking a series of silly questions. I think you are a disingenuous timewaster. And I have wasted enough time with you.

No one asked you to share your silly ideas, you can ignore my threads and save your precious time.

 

[Derek500]

Was it a design or was it a luck?

None of the above.

You seem to start a lot threads mirroring JW and SDA lunacy.

 

[exchemist]

None of the above.

You seem to start a lot threads mirroring JW and SDA lunacy.

SDA = 7th Day Adventist?

Anyway you are right. This person is disingenuous, writing posts in some detail about natural selection at one moment and then blithering stupidly about "luck" the next.

 

[SomeRandom]

Why to debate then?

If you don't have the information on your side, then it's not a debate. It's called "getting schooled."

 

[FearGod]

None of the above.

You seem to start a lot threads mirroring JW and SDA lunacy.

Of course not, actually I believe in evolution. but not in dice and the unconscious matter of earth.

 

[SomeRandom]

Of course not, actually I believe in evolution. but not in dice and the unconscious matter of earth.

Okay now I have to ask.
What does dice have to do with evolution? And earth matter is conscious?

 

[FearGod]

SDA = 7th Day Adventist?

Anyway you are right. This person is disingenuous, writing posts in some detail about natural selection at one moment and then blithering stupidly about "luck" the next.

Are you still wasting your time and keep making silly comments.

 

[FearGod]

Okay now I have to ask.
What does dice have to do with evolution? And earth matter is conscious?

Mutations which is random = dice, earth once born it has no life, so living things started
by the unconscious stones.

 

[FearGod]

If you don't have the information on your side, then it's not a debate. It's called "getting schooled."

The atheists used to make such silly comments to defend atheism, when they don't
know the answer then they ask to search for the answer yourself, go to school ..etc.
OK, why not making a convincing answer than silly comments.

 

[sayak83]

The mutations that caused the evolution of the orbit in the skull was first or the mutations
that caused the evolution of the eye was first.

Did the mutation of the orbit and the mutation of the eye occurred at the same time
and hence the eye was fixed in the orbit during long period of time.

Was it a design or was it a luck?

The eye, if by an eye, you imply a light sensitive detector. The orbit is basically a cavity that evolved later to improve the sensitivity of the detection.

The lens however evolved after the orbit, to further improve the detection by making it sharper.

 

[FearGod]

The eye, if by an eye, you imply a light sensitive detector. The orbit is basically a cavity that evolved later to improve the sensitivity of the detection.

The lens however evolved after the orbit, to further improve the detection by making it sharper.

Evolved To improve, you imply that evolution is knowing what it's doing, like saying
it made the cavity in order for the eye to improve detection.

 

[shunyadragon]

Did you observe the evolution of eye and the surrounding tissues billions of years ago?

This is a typical hookus bogus question concerning the science of evolution. All you do is bring up odd questions that reflect your lack of knowledge of the science of evolution. I guess like other Fundamentalist Creationists you can continue looking for rabbits in Pre Cambrian rocks.

We have fossils of primitive eyes as in jellyfish and the same structures in surviving relatives of Jellyfish, progressive complexity in living relatives, and fossils of the progressive evolution of eyes, skeletons, and related anatomy like the brain, spinal cord, and back bond. We have living examples of the most primitive fish and the progressive evolution as in lampreys and hag fish even though most of their relatives in the fossil record. We have the comparative genetics for the development of the eye and skeleton of the primitive living eamples of ancient animals, and more evidence is being discovered all the time.

A religious Creationist agenda based on Genesis has no alternate explanation for the objective verifiable evidence including the billions of years of rock stratigraphy that these fossils progressively occur from the most primitive to the most complex with absolutely no geologic record for the Biblical version of the history of the earth and life.

 

[shunyadragon]

Evolved To improve, you imply that evolution is knowing what it's doing, like saying
it made the cavity in order for the eye to improve detection.

No that is not the implication at all. Picking frog hairs and hen;s teeth over terminology does not help your case. The evidence clearly demonstrates that the evolution of the simple to the complex eye had distinct advantages for the survival of both the predator and the prey. In the geologic record it was like a genetic evolutionary war including development of exoskeleton armor and jaws.

 

[shunyadragon]

Happened to be so, if it worked then it'll pass to the next generation, if it didn't
it'll die and hence it won't pass to the next generation, the same thing in everything,
if humans brain evolved to be stupid then it'll fail and die and hence won't pass to the
next generation, only those who evolved with complex brains will survive and pass
the amazing brain to the next generation, make sense

No it really does make sense from the scientific perspective. Actually too simplistic and does not represent the science of evolution.

 

[FearGod]

This is a typical hookus bogus question concerning the science of evolution. All you do is bring up odd questions that reflect your lack of knowledge of the science of evolution. I guess like other Fundamentalist Creationists you can continue looking for rabbits in Pre Cambrian rocks.

We have fossils of primitive eyes as in jellyfish and the same structures in surviving relatives of Jellyfish, and fossils of the progressive evolution of eyes, skeletons, and related anatomy like the brain, spinal cord, and back bond. We have living examples of the most primitive fish and the progressive evolution as in lampreys and hag fish even though most of their relatives in the fossil record. We have the comparative genetics for the development of the eye and skeleton of the primitive living eamples of ancient animals, and more evidence is being discovered all the time.

A religious Creationist agenda based on Genesis has no alternate explanation for the objective verifiable evidence including the billions of years of rock stratigraphy that these fossils progressively occur from the most primitive to the most complex with absolutely no geologic record for the Biblical version of the history of the earth and life.

Who mentioned the bible, actually there're many errors in the bible and that isn't a science
book.

That being said, evolution is a fact, but the TOE is the notion of what caused evolution
and hence they came with the random mutations and then those who happened to be
beneficial were able to pass the good ones to the next generation and so on.

But did you observe how a monkey like human have been day by day and year after
year evolved gradually to have 3 bigger brain size and how it started to pronounce
words.

 

[Polymath257]

Mutations which is random = dice, earth once born it has no life, so living things started
by the unconscious stones.

Stones??? Not quite descriptive of the process.

Note that *none* of the atoms in your body is conscious. Consciousness comes about through the complex interactions of the non-conscious chemicals you are made from.

 

[FearGod]

No that is not the implication at all. Picking frog hairs and hen;s teeth over terminology does not help your case. The evidence clearly demonstrates that the evolution of the simple to the complex eye had distinct advantages for the survival of both the predator and the prey. In the geologic record it was like a genetic evolutionary war including development of exoskeleton armor and jaws.

It has first to work and the socket for the eye should be formed and if all is all right
then of course the good work will naturally pass to the next generation because it was
beneficial for the species, make sense

 

[FearGod]

Stones??? Not quite descriptive of the process.

Note that *none* of the atoms in your body is conscious. Consciousness comes about through the complex interactions of the non-conscious chemicals you are made from.

OK, you're great

Mix some unconscious atoms and make for us a superstar, believe me all
the world will be believe that God doesn't exist, go with it, you have a mind
better than the nature's stones, matters, atoms, whatever you like to call it?