Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

[paarsurrey]

Thank you. I like your perspective on this. I believe there is some sort of ever-present, interactive field (Unified Field) from which everything originates.

Science should not hesitate here to acknowledge that such a being is G-d as there is none other claimant and this is an area/aspect where science not only becomes gibberish but as it is not within the scope of science so science should not even argue in this respect. Science is incapable to even discuss this issue, fit to be ridiculed by the Atheists loudly as they do so often.
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[paarsurrey]

Correct...in the stillness of mind such as that when one is suddenly struck by the extraordinary beauty of say...a starry night, a sunrise, etc., ....the mind is in awe because the observer and observed are united.....no separation.....make an mental effort to savor the moment though......and the observer and observed are now separated again.and it is all just a memory.....

That is the beauty of the Creator G-d and the created that generates from Him.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Well unless you beleive that science big bang theory claims that the universe came from a preexisting something or from nothing....we have already established the impossible...yes?

I agree with you.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

1) Your conclusion does not logically follow from your implied question
2) I quoted, quite specifically, what the universe came from
3) "If not X or Y, therefore Z" is not a logical inference.

Since G-d is the claimant of creation on the Universe/s and all that exists in it be inanimate or animate so that is the logical inference Z in this case.
Regards

 

[Runewolf1973]

Science here is baffled so it cannot answer except in gibberish. One would agree with me.
Regards

Science has a pretty good understanding. Everything is interaction. Even such thing as a god could not create without necessarily interacting in some way.

 

[paarsurrey]

I didn't say that science have answers for everything.

And that is a fact that science does not have answers to everything, in some areas it becomes deaf and dumb. G-d by definition is ONE Being who must be knowing and knows everything and all and claims it logically, we don't mind if Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics don't admit it.
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[paarsurrey]

Yes, I understand how science works.....and like you, it is great to see its progress and the benefits it has provided to humanity. Fwiw though. I do not depend solely on science for my understanding, for scence only deals with the observable universe, and there is much more to existence than the physical.

I agree with you.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I try to understand the scriptures, the teachings, the religions and the belief of all these followers, but that doesn't mean I have accept them to be true...well, at least until there are evidences that I can examine.

What do you understand from "evidence"? Please give your own understanding of it not the what the dictionary states about it. What the science means from evidence and proofs is not valid in Religion. Religion is not bound by science while science is.
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[Runewolf1973]

Science should not hesitate here to acknowledge that such a being is G-d as there is none other claimant and this is an area/aspect where science not only becomes gibberish but as it is not within the scope of science so science should not even argue in this respect. Science is incapable to even discuss this issue, fit to be ridiculed by the Atheists loudly as they do so often.
Regards

Science should hesitate to acknowlege anything without evidence. Just because some answers remain hidden to science does not mean the default position should be "god did it". That is ridiculous.

 

[gnostic]

Thanks, Ben.

 

[Mickdrew]

Who said this? Please mention his name and where one wrote it.
Regards

This isn't difficult to find out.
It's a variation of a quote from J. B. S. Haldane in Possible Worlds and Other Papers

So this is another area/aspect where science becomes gibberish. Isn't it?
Regards

Not at all. This is an area where the universe becomes gibberish to us
I do think science will eventually find an answer, but it will be beyond our ability to grasp because our brains are naturally limited to those of a primate.

That was my entire point.

 

[gnostic]

What do you understand from "evidence"? Please give your own understanding of it not the what the dictionary states about it. What the science means from evidence and proofs is not valid in Religion. Religion is not bound by science while science is.

I have explained what "evidence" is, many times before, including to you, but you still can't seem to grasp it.

To put it simply, evidence can either verify the statement to be true, OR refute the statement as being "false", without relying on a person's personal opinion or personal belief, which could be biased.

What I mean about "statement" is those given statement as explanation to an or in prediction

A person's opinion doesn't count as evidence.

Scientific evidence is one of the means of observation. This observation can either be -

1. direct observation (for instance, you or scientists can either see, hear, smell or feel the evidence)
   
2. or indirect observation (in which you use a tool, instrument or device - to either detect or measure something that can't be observed directly; for example, a voltmeter can be used to measure the electrical voltage.)

Scientific evidences are the best way to ensure objectivity.

One evidence is never enough, so you have to find as many evidences as possible, or do repeated testing.

Of course, scientists are humans too, so they can mislead or falsify results for their own agenda. This is why you would also have other scientists to independently look for evidences or to independently perform tests, or have the peer review to go over hypothesis/theory and any test or evidence.

The independent and repeated testings and the independent evidences, not only ensure that scientists are not cheating, but also to find errors too.

Evidences are not just use to verifying the explanation/prediction to be true; it is just important to refute any statement/prediction that are false.

1. A hypothesis or theory is refuted,if it is "untestable".
   
2. A hypothesis or theory is refuted, if there are no evidences to verify it to be true.
3. And lastly, hypothesis or theory is refuted, if the evidences or test results is the opposite of what is explained or predicted.

No hypothesis or theory or prediction is true until it is verified to be true, with either evidences or with rigorous testings.

Do you understand anything that I am saying?

I hoped so, because it very late, so good night.

 

[Aquitaine]

I don't like the concept of "first".

Ahhh, you're one of these "everyone gets a medal" liberal PC schmucks are ya?
Something and Nothing both get a medal for participating. . . . .

 

[Revoltingest]

Wow....a blast from the past!
I'd forgotten about this thread from last spring.

Ahhh, you're one of these "everyone gets a medal" liberal PC schmucks are ya?
Something and Nothing both get a medal for participating. . . . .

Yes, I'm one of them.....except that I steal medals from the weak.

 

[paarsurrey]

Which existed first, "something" or "nothing"?
Both is equally possible, but what is the true answer? I don't know the true answer.
Something may existed first in a mystery that i don't know of.
Nothing may existed first in a mystery that i don't know of.


Who is the ONE?
The ONE true [God/Creator] A/B/C/D/E...etc from religion A/B/C/D/E...etc?
God A/B/C/D/E...etc?
Creator A/B/C/D/E...etc?
Which one is the ONE from those A/B/C/D/E...etc?
I guess each to their own.

It is G-d/Allah/Yahweh/Ahura-Mazda, the same ONE all over the world in different religions with different names in their respective languages having 99+ attributes as mentioned in Quran.
Quran- the amazing Recitation of systems introduces Him in the first Chapter called Al-Fatihah with four primary attributes of Him and then the whole Quran mentions one or more attributes of Him in the following chapters generated from the four primary attributes.
In this sense Quran is a book/Recitation which illustrates His attributes and as to how and when his attributes work in every chapter that follows Al-Fatihah.

Regards

 

[Demonslayer]

having 99+ attributes as mentioned in Quran.

I got 99 problems, but a deity ain't one.

 

[Pudding]

It is G-d/Allah/Yahweh/Ahura-Mazda, the same ONE all over the world in different religions with different names in their respective languages having 99+ attributes as mentioned in Quran.
Quran- the amazing Recitation of systems introduces Him in the first Chapter called Al-Fatihah with four primary attributes of Him and then the whole Quran mentions one or more attributes of Him in the following chapters generated from the four primary attributes.
In this sense Quran is a book/Recitation which illustrates His attributes and as to how and when his attributes work in every chapter that follows Al-Fatihah.

Regards

... why do you believe what the scripture say is true? How certain you believe it to be true? How does it answer the questions "Who is the ONE" ?

I understand your answer can be consider to be an answer to the question "Who is the ONE".

What about my other remaining questions: why do you believe what the scripture say is true? How certain you believe it to be true?

 

[Thief]

Science should hesitate to acknowlege anything without evidence. Just because some answers remain hidden to science does not mean the default position should be "god did it". That is ridiculous.

oh, so....if the physical science has no experiment for you to believe in......

and you do not default to Spirit.....
then all of substance is 'self' starting.
and dead stuff can beget the living.

I say.....God did it.
substance is not 'self' creating.
dead things do not beget the living.

 

[Thief]

Wow....a blast from the past!
I'd forgotten about this thread from last spring.

Yes, I'm one of them.....except that I steal medals from the weak.

I steal them back.

 

[Revoltingest]

I steal them back.

Well, it is expected of you!