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Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Thief said:
oh, so....if the physical science has no experiment for you to believe in......

and you do not default to Spirit.....
then all of substance is 'self' starting.
and dead stuff can beget the living.

I say.....God did it.
substance is not 'self' creating.
dead things do not beget the living.
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I don't entirely buy into the concept of "living" or "dead" things. Everything is interactive. Matter (which is what we are made of) neither lives nor dies. Some forms of matter are just more interactive than others. They evolved that way. The most highly interactive forms of matter we label "life".
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Runewolf1973 said:
I don't believe in such things as "living" or "dead" things. Everything is interactive. Matter (which is what we are made of) neither lives nor dies. Some forms of matter are just more interactive than others. The most highly interactive forms of matter we label "life".
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got gravel in your driveway?

tread lightly......they might have their own volition.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Thief said:
I don't hang out with dead people.

I see dead people in my dreams.....does that count?
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I don't consider anyone to be living or dead. I consider them to be highly interactive. So what is life after death if there is no living or dying? There is only continuation in one interactive form or another.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Runewolf1973 said:
I don't consider anyone to be living or dead. I consider them to be highly interactive. So what is life after death if there is no living or dying? There is only continuation in one interactive form or another.
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Yes, the life is not supposed to inactive in after-life. It is supposed to be active life, yet we cannot comprehend it fully, now.
Regards
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
Why should one have faith that it must be a natural phenomenon? On what scientific grounds? If one assumption is correct to have, the other assumption is also correct that G-d wante to have it that way.

Regards
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well, because so far virtually everything we have encountered seems to have a natural cause and absolutely nothing seems to have a supernatural cause.
 
KBC1963

KBC1963

Active Member
Milton Platt said:
well, because so far virtually everything we have encountered seems to have a natural cause and absolutely nothing seems to have a supernatural cause.
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It would be more correct to say "so far virtually everything we have encountered 'we assume' to have a natural cause"

Here are some of those 'virtually' large assumptions; Forces of nature, Life, organization of the universe... to name a few.
 
Demonslayer

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
Has science even collected data about every natural phenomenon in the universe?
Regards
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What does this even mean? How could we even hazard a guess as to a list of "every natural phenomenon in the universe" let alone have had time to collect data on every one.

The answer is a resounding no, of course not. When the Zimrang Tree on planet Fookblor drops it's dreb seeds during the 3rd annual winter season, the rate of decay of the dreb seeds has not been measured. That's one example of a virtual infinity of things "science hasn't collected data" on.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Milton Platt said:
well, because so far virtually everything we have encountered seems to have a natural cause and absolutely nothing seems to have a supernatural cause.
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What is the natural cause of existence itself?

And where is there any evidence of absolute nothing?
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
time had to begin.
happens to be simultaneous to that...bang..

btw, time is a measure...not a force or substance.
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Time is another dimension to reality. It exists along with space ... a.k.a. "space-time". It isn't merely a concept. It is effected by speed/gravity and changes for objects moving at different speeds. Just look into the science of satelights. This is fact, not a theory.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
Time is another dimension to reality. It exists along with space ... a.k.a. "space-time". It isn't merely a concept. It is effected by speed/gravity and changes for objects moving at different speeds. Just look into the science of satelights. This is fact, not a theory.
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just this past weekend I spent 'time' watching a 6hour series about the Physics of Light

from one great thinker to another the items we hold true were displayed and accounted for.

but it obvious...time is not a force
it is a measurement
Space is real enough.....it is that 'nothing' in between everything else.

distance is a measure
time is a measure
put them together and you get..... a measure

all are cognitive devices created by Man to serve Man
measure.....is all in your head.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
just this past weekend I spent 'time' watching a 6hour series about the Physics of Light

from one great thinker to another the items we hold true were displayed and accounted for.

but it obvious...time is not a force
it is a measurement
Space is real enough.....it is that 'nothing' in between everything else.

distance is a measure
time is a measure
put them together and you get..... a measure

all are cognitive devices created by Man to serve Man
measure.....is all in your head.
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Why do you ignore the plethora of verifiable evidence just to cling to your unsupported belief? I don't get it.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
with each generation the previous status quo is undone or rewritten

and science is still seeking that one eloquent expression to describe all that is around us

Albert knew he didn't have it
neither does anyone else.
 
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