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Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
Hope is not certainty. You are flip flopping.
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I also recognize the possible fail.....
just because I am sure there is life after death.....
that doesn't mean I have the spiritual strength to seize upon it.
I might need a little assistance.

and even if I do stand of my own accord.....
God and heaven might not approve
I might get stomped.....right there wherever I fell

what's the matter?
that Christian background lacking?
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
I also recognize the possible fail.....
just because I am sure there is life after death.....
that doesn't mean I have the spiritual strength to seize upon it.
I might need a little assistance.

and even if I do stand of my own accord.....
God and heaven might not approve
I might get stomped.....right there wherever I fell

what's the matter?
that Christian background lacking?
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You don't have any authority to criticize my "Christian background", just as I have no authority to criticize yours. Don't forget, "don't judge, lest ye be judged".
 
Demonslayer

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Thief said:
if you can't get out of your body now.....
what makes you think you will after your last breath?
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I don't think I can get out of my body. Not now, not after my last breath.

The personality escape pod that people call a soul is merely wishful thinking.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Milton Platt said:
You need to demonstrate his existence before you start telling us how he created everything. You realize that special pleading for your creator doesn't cut it? If we can assume he/it had no beginning, then we can assume matter/energy had no beginning just as easily and dispense with the god part. I won't even go into the absurdity of trying to argue a point by using bible quotes.
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Thank you for your reply. My point was Not Bible quotes, but merely pointing out what the Bible really teaches about Creator/creation.
Energy without organization would be ?
What organization is there after a bombing, large or small, yet energy is involved.
The Big Bang energy is all about organization which is in quite a lot of contrast with any other explosions.
Who ( Not an unthinking what ) directed that energy.
So, according to what the bible really teaches God directed His super-abundant dynamic energy to create our organized lasting universe.
 
prometheus11

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
The Big Bang is not an explosion although there are some similarities. And, depending on a person's OPINIONS, the Big Bang could easily be seen as disorganizing.

If, when you put socks into a drawer, they all joined together into one brownish ball they could not be divided was seen as "organization," then the be bang was disorganized.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Demonslayer said:
I don't think I can get out of my body. Not now, not after my last breath.
The personality escape pod that people call a soul is merely wishful thinking.
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Yes, wishful thinking, and or following false religious-myth teachings found in the world's religions.

Jesus taught, Not an escape pod ( immortal soul ) but the opportunity to gain everlasting life.
Mortal Adam had No escape-pod soul, but all of Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
Mortal Adam did Not possess a soul, nor did Adam have a soul, because all of Adam was a living soul - Genesis 2:7
Mortal Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned or went back to non-life.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
Mortal Adam's opportunity was to have ' everlasting life ' right here on planet earth forever and ever.
Since we are innocent of what father Adam brought upon is why Jesus stands in our place for what wrongs we do.
We can't resurrect oneself or another, so we need someone who can bring us back to life, restore our life.
Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18
Only some people are called to heaven - Revelation 20:6
But most people will have the opportunity as originally offered to mortal Adam before his downfall which is to live forever on a beautiful paradisical earth - Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5
The dead can look forward as did Danny boy at Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13 to be awakened from death's deep sleep back to healthy breathing physical life on earth starting with Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth when the nations of earth will be healed - Revelation 22:2
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
prometheus11 said:
The Big Bang is not an explosion although there are some similarities. And, depending on a person's OPINIONS, the Big Bang could easily be seen as disorganizing.
If, when you put socks into a drawer, they all joined together into one brownish ball they could not be divided was seen as "organization," then the be bang was disorganized.
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What is disorganized about rocket scientists using the laws set in place to accurately pinpoint their rocket trips with accuracy of landing ?
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
42 pages and still no answer?.....but wait, 42 is the answer! Hurrah! You can all stop thinking and have a nice cup of tea. :p
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
ben d said:
Ok...I understand that there is an underlying unity of spirit and matter in that matter is formed of spiritual energy in the form of spherical standing waves. How do we know this...If you take zpe for example...it is omnipresent, contains infinite energy density. and there are virtual electron and positron particles bubbling up from the quantum vacuum zpe only to dissolve again.. And take the LHC for example....particles made to collide at extremely high velocity always convert to energy before becoming sub-particles, etc... Thus it is evident that particles are made of energy....and the underlying source of the energy of the particles is the zero point energy field, and this energy is of infinite density, is omnipresent, and is a vibrational frequency continuum.... The reality represented by the concept of spirit is also said to be of infinite power, and is omnipresent....so it is my understanding that matter comes from zpe and since zpe has the attributes of spirit...these are just two names for the same thing...if you have any understanding of harmonics...all sorts of appropriate mixing of frequencies will produce new frequencies of higher or lower side bands and shapes...pulses square, triangular, etc.. Infinite possibilities...the cause is the spirit/zpe...the effect is the material and transcendent universe...but the two are one... There was never a beginning of the one...
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I saw part of program were apparently they were using different sound frequencies on spread-out sand. I hope you'll have a comment about such a thing happening.
The sand particles arranged themselves into different shapes such as zebra strips or leopard spots, etc. Very interesting.
According to Psalms 104:30 God sends forth His spirit to create plus there was Never a beginning to God according to Psalms 90:2
However, before the visible material realm existed the invisible realm was already in existence - Genesis 1:1
Also, ' sound waves ' are mentioned in use by Jesus using the ' sound of his voice ' to command - Isaiah 11:4 B; Revelation 19:15
 
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