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Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

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URAVIP2ME

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prometheus11 said:
Snowflakes don't appear organized to you?
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Sure snowflakes are organized. If one stray gets away from the snow mound it looses its strength to keep on being a snowflake.
Snowflakes can also serve to be God's army if necessary to stop vehicles, etc. at the time of Armageddon.
Seasons will also always be here on the permanent existing earth - Genesis 8:22; Psalms 74:17; Ecclesiastes 1:4 B
 
prometheus11

prometheus11

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URAVIP2ME said:
Sure snowflakes are organized. If one stray gets away from the snow mound it looses its strength to keep on being a snowflake.
Snowflakes can also serve to be God's army if necessary to stop vehicles, etc. at the time of Armageddon.
Seasons will also always be here on the permanent existing earth - Genesis 8:22; Psalms 74:17; Ecclesiastes 1:4 B
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You realize that snowflakes just proved your intelligence design argument invalid?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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URAVIP2ME said:
However the ' steady state ' here is in an ' organized ' state. The earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B
The late Antony Flew concluded as far as DNA that " DNA research has shown by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce life, that intelligence must have been involved ".
Where there is intelligence there is a mind. Where there is a mind there is a person. In Scripture that intelligent person is: God
So, however God brought the universe into being, or just changed state ( energy into matter? ) still shows intelligent organization. No intelligence No organization.
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I agree with you.
"Order" or "chaos" both come about and manifest attributes of G-d but since G-d is ONE, so we usually attribute order to Him.
Neither order nor chaos could come into existence without His orders. Right?
Regards
 
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ArtieE

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paarsurrey said:
I agree with you.
"Order" or "chaos" both come about and manifest attributes of G-d but since G-d is ONE, so we usually attribute order to Him.
Neither order nor chaos could come into existence without His orders. Right?
Regards
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So why does this god of yours exist in the first place?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Spiny Norman said:
I mean redundant to the cosmos.
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Cosmos is Brahman....Brahman is Cosmos.....Brahman is God...God is Brahman...use any concept that represents the one that is all and don't get hung up on the concept itself....like the ignorant scribes who mistake the concept for the reality that the concept is meant to represent....a rose by any other name smells as sweet....
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
I agree with you.
"Order" or "chaos" both come about and manifest attributes of G-d but since G-d is ONE, so we usually attribute order to Him.
Neither order nor chaos could come into existence without His orders. Right?
Regards
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The origin of the universe(s) is often referred to as the Big Bang.
After man sets off a ' bang ' ( bomb ) there is definitely No organization afterwards.
Whereas the Big Bang is all about organization in contrast to other explosions.

God is called " Creator " there is Nothing in that job description saying God is " Controller ".
There is Nothing in the job description of Creator saying that God can or will prevent free-will choices from happening. Choices that man can bring order or chaos on earth.
Mankind ignoring God's Golden Rule, or Jesus 'new' commandment - John 13:34-35, has brought about chaos in the moral breakdown of today's society - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
Cosmos is Brahman....Brahman is Cosmos.....Brahman is God...God is Brahman...use any concept that represents the one that is all and don't get hung up on the concept itself....like the ignorant scribes who mistake the concept for the reality that the concept is meant to represent....a rose by any other name smells as sweet....
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I don't find this proliferation of names and concepts very helpful. Names like "Brahman" and "God" inevitably have a lot of religious baggage attached to them, while "Cosmos" is more neutral and less laden with concepts and assumptions.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
Cosmos is Brahman....Brahman is Cosmos.....Brahman is God...God is Brahman...use any concept that represents the one that is all and don't get hung up on the concept itself....like the ignorant scribes who mistake the concept for the reality that the concept is meant to represent....a rose by any other name smells as sweet....
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I don't find this proliferation of names and concepts very helpful. Names like "Brahman" and "God" inevitably have a lot of religious baggage attached to them, while "Cosmos" is more neutral and less laden with concepts and assumptions.
 
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