Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

[angellous_evangellous]

Well yes...but watch the ego....it can be our downfall...

Have no fear - the endorphins only last long enough for me to spell 'apotheosis'.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Have no fear - the endorphins only last long enough for me to spell 'apotheosis'.

...very clever..

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

How can nothing be said to exist? That is, given that existence is a property we attribute to something, and that nothing is by definition the lack of such an attribute, the question provides the answer.

 

[Musty]

or none of them unless the ONE who created/evolved them communicates and informs us which one.
Topic open for Theists and Atheists alike.

Regards

I think that this is a largely meaningless question.

 

[paarsurrey]

How can nothing be said to exist? That is, given that existence is a property we attribute to something, and that nothing is by definition the lack of such an attribute, the question provides the answer.

Unless there is a shelf/place for housing something, something is impossible be thought to exist. Here science goes gibberish suspended for a new concrete clue to take a ride.
Regards

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Unless there is a shelf/place for housing something, something is impossible be thought to exist. Here science goes gibberish suspended for a new concrete clue to take a ride.
Regards

Speaking of gibberish...

 

[paarsurrey]

Tis both a weakness & a strength.
Sure, sure, it can lead one astray, eg, Einstein's initial distaste for the probabilistic element of quantum mechanics.
But beauty is a powerful motivator to pursue more elegant theories & designs.
I found that in engineering, pursuit of simple beauty....shibumi...yielded the best designs.

And how many motivators are there to trigger science and who created them?
So far you have given :

beauty,simplicity,liking disliking, aesthetics,........
all out of the scientific method
if there will be no mother, there will be no child​

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

How can nothing be said to exist? That is, given that existence is a property we attribute to something, and that nothing is by definition the lack of such an attribute, the question provides the answer.

Something and nothing are complementary opposite concepts...the conception of one creates the concept of the other...as Lao Tzu explains....

When the world knows beauty, ugliness arises
When it knows good, evil arises
Thus being and and non-being create each other
Difficult and easy bring about each other
Long and short reveal each other
High and low support each other.... - Tao Te Ching

 

[paarsurrey]

Something and nothing are complementary opposite concepts...the conception of one creates the concept of the other...as Lao Tzu explains....

When the world knows beauty, ugliness arises
When it knows good, evil arises
Thus being and and non-being create each other
Difficult and easy bring about each other
Long and short reveal each other
High and low support each other.... - Tao Te Ching

Beautiful verses from a prophet of G-d.
As there cannot be a north pole unless there is a south pole, there cannot be beauty perceived by us humans unless there is ugliness. We cannot perceive absolute beauty with our eyes unless we are provided an appropriate ride.
Yet it is not in the domain of science, our useful temporal medium.
Regards

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Something and nothing are complementary opposite concepts

Ergo, if everything that exists can be said to be something, then nothing that exists can be nothing, and therefore nothing cannot be said to exist.

 

[Revoltingest]

And how many motivators are there to trigger science and who created them?
So far you have given :

beauty,simplicity,liking disliking, aesthetics,........
all out of the scientific method
if there will be no mother, there will be no child​

Regards

I'm not sure I understand the question.
But in addition to appreciating beauty, science satisfies curiosity & the drive to solve problems.

 

[jonathan180iq]

There is no way to prove that there has ever, in the History of the Universe, been "nothing"
So far as we know, "something" has always existed.

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm not sure I understand the question.
But in addition to appreciating beauty, science satisfies curiosity & the drive to solve problems.

The existence of solutions of problems proves that One Being has made them available for the humans; the struggle to discern them is the only price.
Regards

 

[Revoltingest]

The existence of solutions of problems proves that One Being has made them available for the humans; the struggle to discern them is the only price.
Regards

I don't see proof of anything regarding the supernatural.

 

[viole]

or none of them unless the ONE who created/evolved them communicates and informs us which one.
Topic open for Theists and Atheists alike.

Regards

At best, you can ask what existed "second" if time is something.

For if time is not already present, I don't see how you can define an ordering relationship where things can be said to come before other things.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Shad]

I agree with you...but big bang theory says before the big bang...there was absolutely nothing...no space...no time...then with the bb...something came into existence...

No it doesn't, read the theory before spouting off on what it says.

 

[Shad]

It is you who are mistaken...while there are a growing number of scientists who believe there is a multiverse or infinite universe in which this big bang is not unique......most experts believe there was nothing in existence before the big bang....no time...no space...absolutely nothing..

Big Bang Theory

Another misconception is that we tend to image the singularity as a little fireball appearing somewhere in space. According to the many experts however, space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. Back in the late '60s and early '70s, when men first walked upon the moon, "three British astrophysicists, Steven Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose turned their attention to the Theory of Relativity and its implications regarding our notions of time. In 1968 and 1970, they published papers in which they extended Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to include measurements of time and space.1, 2 According to their calculations, time and space had a finite beginning that corresponded to the origin of matter and energy."3 The singularity didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know. We don't know where it came from, why it's here, or even where it is. All we really know is that we are inside of it and at one time it didn't exist and neither did we. -

Self-refuting nonsense. There is no prior to time as prior is a time reference. For there to be a prior time is not dependent on the singularity or space-time. You citation is from a Christian apologetic website.

All About Science About Us

As per your own source. Injecting a religious bias into a theory that does not even mention the concept, entity or word god

Big Bang Theory - What About God?
Any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God? This is because cosmogony (the study of the origin of the universe) is an area where science and theology meet. Creation was a supernatural event. That is, it took place outside of the natural realm. This fact begs the question: is there anything else which exists outside of the natural realm? Specifically, is there a master Architect out there? We know that this universe had a beginning. Was God the "First Cause"? We won't attempt to answer that question in this short article. We just ask the question:

The Beginning of Time - Stephen Hawking

Hence why Hawking argues time is separate as he realizes such terminology is nonsensical.

 

[Desert Snake]

Ergo, if everything that exists can be said to be something, then nothing that exists can be nothing, and therefore nothing cannot be said to exist.

Yes, an apple is a banana, and black is white.

 

[Not Bob]

or none of them unless the ONE who created/evolved them communicates and informs us which one.
Topic open for Theists and Atheists alike.

Regards

It's possible if there is a creator he could be something and nothing at the same time.
But, if you can't get something from nothing, in the universe that leaves two possibilites:
Either there always has been something and always will, or there is still nothing even now.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ergo, if everything that exists can be said to be something, then nothing that exists can be nothing, and therefore nothing cannot be said to exist.

Semantics....all words are concepts to represent an actual truth....the concept 'something' is meant to represent the real....and the concept 'nothing' is meant to represent the not real... The truth represented by these concepts is what is important to see with the minds eye....