Which God is truthful?

[Aupmanyav]

you don't know honey is sweet till you put it on your tongue

I have eaten a lot of honey since my childhood.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I have eaten a lot of honey since my childhood.

then you have already put it on your tongue

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yeah.

 

[paarsurrey]

Which God is truthful?

One-God whatever name in a language the people may have. Yahweh, Ahura Mazda, Brahman, Allah. The attributes decide, if they all mean ONE. Please
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

Brahman is the entity which constitutes the universe and all things in it. It is not a God.

 

[paarsurrey]

Brahman is the entity which constitutes the universe and all things in it. It is not a God.

Please quote from Yajurveda to support one's stance.
Please give all the attributes of Brahman from Veda.
Anybody, please
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

Please quote from Yajurveda to support one's stance. Please give all the attributes of Brahman from Veda.

For us Yajurveda is as good as SamaVeda, all Vedas are wisdom. So here is from Chandogya Upanishad of the SamaVeda:

'Yathā, Saumya, ekena mrit-pindena sarvam mrinmayam vijnātah syāt, vacārambhanam vikāro nama-dheyam, mritika iti eva satyam'.

"Just like, O son, by knowing one pot made of soil, all things made of soil are known, in the same way, the name is but a distortion in a manner of speaking, the soil alone is the truth."

The sage finishes his teaching with saying "Tat Twam asi" (That is what you are).

Brahman alone is the truth. Brahman is what constitutes you or me. Brahman is the eternal, and the unchanging.

'Eko sad, dwiteeyo nāsti" (What exists is one, a second does not exist).

Since you asked a saying from YajurVeda, Brihadaranyaka Upanishad of YajurVeda says 'Aham Brahmasmi' (I am Brahman). Brihadaranyaka Upanishad I.iv.10

"ब्रह्म वा इदमग्र आसीत्, तदात्मनामेवावेत्, अहं ब्रह्मास्मीति | तस्मात्तत्सर्वमभवत्; तद्यो यो देवानां प्रत्यबुध्यत स एव तदभवत्, तदृषीणाम् तथा मनुष्याणाम्,..."

Brahma vā idam agra āsit, tad ātmānam eva avet, aham Brahmāsmi l tasmāt tat sarvam abhavat, tat yo yo devānām prati abudhyata sa eva tat abhavat, tat rishīnām tathā manushyānām, .."

"This (self) was indeed Brahman in the beginning; It knew only Itself as, "I am Brahman". Therefore It became all; and whoever among the gods knew It also became That; and the same with sages and men…”

 

[paarsurrey]

Brahman is the entity which constitutes the universe and all things in it. It is not a God.

The correct attributes are mentioned below:

Verse (2:255)

Sahih International: Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

And it is God.
Other concepts should be corrected accordingly.
Please
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

And Mohammad was his messenger and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Mahdi. That is for you and not for a strong atheist like me.

In your hurry to trumpet your views, you have not cared to see the meaning of the last verse from Brihadaranyaka. Who ever realizes that everything including himself is none other but Brahman, which constitutes the whole universe, has reached the final goal. There is nothing more to understand.

"Brahma veda Brahmaiva bhavati": One who understands Brahman, verily, becomes Brahman.

But you are not here to learn, you want to teach (without having the qualifications to do so).

 

[paarsurrey]

And Mohammad was his messenger and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Mahdi. That is for you and not for a strong atheist like me.

In your hurry to trumpet your views, you have not cared to see the meaning of the last verse from Brihadaranyaka. Who ever realizes that everything including himself is Brahman and none other, which constitutes the whole universe, has reached the final goal. There is nothing more to understand.

"Brahma veda Brahmaiv bhavati": One who understands Brhaman, verily, becomes Brahman.

But you are not here to learn, you want to teach (without having the qualifications to do so).

''Allah" -"To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth."

Once again one is wrong.
Perhaps one did not peruse the above words given in my response.
I do learn while I write.
Please
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

You are welcome to believe in your fictions - Allah, Jibreel communicating Quran to Mohammad, Mohammad visiting heaven on Burraq and meeting the prophets there and Mirza Saheb being the Mahdi.

 

[paarsurrey]

You are welcome to believe in your fictions - Allah, Jibreel communicating Quran to Mohammad, Mohammad visiting heaven on Burraq and meeting the prophets there and Mirza Saheb being the Mahdi.

Burraq

It is not mentioned in Quran.
Regards

 

[sayak83]

The correct attributes are mentioned below:

Verse (2:255)

Sahih International: Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

And it is God.
Other concepts should be corrected accordingly.
Please
Regards

YHWH or Allah, God of the Abrahamics is a fiction and is (hence) not truthful. Other concepts should be corrected accordingly. Right?
Please. Regards.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Holy is He Who carried His servant by night from the Holy Mosque (in Makka) to the farther Mosque (in Jerusalem) – whose surroundings We have blessed – that We might show him some of Our signs. Indeed He alone is All-Hearing, All-Seeing." - (Quran 17:1)
Isra and Miraj: The Miraculous Night Journey - IslamiCity

"Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless, in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)." - (Quran 17:1)
Buraq - WikiIslam
Buraq - Wikipedia

 

[paarsurrey]

"Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless, in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)." - Qur'an, sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayah 1
Buraq - WikiIslam
Buraq - Wikipedia

There is no mention of it in the Quran verse quoted by one. Please
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

"No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

"For example it was one of these mythical flying camels that enabled Abraham to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1000 miles away. Islamic tradition also holds that it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand miles between Mecca and Israel presented the obvious geographical impossibility, of any suggestion of Abraham or Ishmael ever having been in Mecca, simply break out the flying camel!"
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[paarsurrey]

"No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

"For example it was one of these mythical flying camels that enabled Abraham to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1000 miles away. Islamic tradition also holds that it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand miles between Mecca and Israel presented the obvious geographical impossibility, of any suggestion of Abraham or Ishmael ever having been in Mecca, simply break out the flying camel!"
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But then, you are not a Muslim. You are an Ahmadiyya.

It was a vision, not a physical journey, never needed any flying camel . Please quote the verse of Quran where flying camel and or Jerusalem is mentioned which one wants to discuss.
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Detailed reports about it are found in the works of Hadith and Sirah and have been narrated from as many as twenty-five Companions. The most exhaustive reports are those from Anas ibn Malik, Malik ibn Sa’sa’ah, Abu Dharr al-Ghifari and Abu Hurayrah. Some other details have been narrated by ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud, ‘Abd Allah ibn Abbas, Abu Sa’id al-Khudri, Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, and ‘A’ishah among other Companions of the Prophet. ..

It may be recalled that according to authentic reports when the Prophet

narrated the incidents of this extraordinary journey the following day to the people in Makka, the unbelievers found the whole narration utterly amusing. (Muslim, K, al-Iman, ‘Bab Dhikr al-Masih ibn Maryam’ – Ed.) In fact, even the faith of some Muslims was shaken because of the highly extraordinary nature of the account. (See Ibn Hisham, Sirah , vol. I, p.398 and al-Qurtubi, comments on verse 1 of the surah – Ed.)

The details of the event provided by the Hadith supplement the Quranic account. There is no reason, however, to reject all this supplementary information on the grounds that it is opposed to the Quran. Nevertheless, if someone is not quite convinced and hence does not accept some of the details concerning the Ascension mentioned in the Hadith as true, he should not be considered an unbeliever. On the contrary, if someone were to clearly deny any part of the account categorically mentioned in the Quran, he would be deemed to have gone beyond the fold of Islam."
Isra and Miraj: The Miraculous Night Journey - IslamiCity

Take your pick. This is 'riddah'. Are you a Muslim or a dissenter (a 'murtadd')?

 

[paarsurrey]

"Detailed reports about it are found in the works of Hadith and Sirah and have been narrated from as many as twenty-five Companions. The most exhaustive reports are those from Anas ibn Malik, Malik ibn Sa’sa’ah, Abu Dharr al-Ghifari and Abu Hurayrah. Some other details have been narrated by ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud, ‘Abd Allah ibn Abbas, Abu Sa’id al-Khudri, Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, and ‘A’ishah among other Companions of the Prophet. ..

It may be recalled that according to authentic reports when the Prophet

narrated the incidents of this extraordinary journey the following day to the people in Makka, the unbelievers found the whole narration utterly amusing. (Muslim, K, al-Iman, ‘Bab Dhikr al-Masih ibn Maryam’ – Ed.) In fact, even the faith of some Muslims was shaken because of the highly extraordinary nature of the account. (See Ibn Hisham, Sirah , vol. I, p.398 and al-Qurtubi, comments on verse 1 of the surah – Ed.)

The details of the event provided by the Hadith supplement the Quranic account. There is no reason, however, to reject all this supplementary information on the grounds that it is opposed to the Quran. Nevertheless, if someone is not quite convinced and hence does not accept some of the details concerning the Ascension mentioned in the Hadith as true, he should not be considered an unbeliever. On the contrary, if someone were to clearly deny any part of the account categorically mentioned in the Quran, he would be deemed to have gone beyond the fold of Islam."
Isra and Miraj: The Miraculous Night Journey - IslamiCity

Take your pick. This is 'riddah'. Are you a Muslim or a dissenter (a 'murtadd')?

One could not quote from Quran. Hadith and Serah books never existed in Muhammad's time and were written 250/300 years after.
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

Go through the first paragraph of my post above. Do you disbelieve all these people? The Companions of the Prophet (the Sahaba)?

"On the contrary, if someone were to clearly deny any part of the account categorically mentioned in the Quran, he would be deemed to have gone beyond the fold of Islam."

Does Quran say that it was a vision, or you are adding this on your own? Modifying the word of Allah?