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Which one would you rather be: Blind or Deaf?

Which one would you rather be: Blind or Deaf?


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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I would not say that I have ever had AvPD but I used to have social anxiety and avoided social interactions... Even now, I only socialize a little at work, but mostly online.

I do not have social anxiety anymore and I am not self-conscious, I just prefer to be alone... People annoy me much of the time because what most people talk about does not interest me, it is so shallow... :rolleyes:... I do not like to think negatively about people that way so that is one reason I avoid being around them.

In have always coped on my own, even without many friends, but my psychological problems were much too severe to cure on my own.... You have no idea and it is not something anyone knows about but my immediate family members. I could easily have died many times :( but I am very strong-willed so I am still alive...:D

I think perhaps I have been lucky, in that the three conditions that seem to have affected me are fairly straight-forward, in that it is mostly down to inappropriate or lack of feelings, inappropriate or delusional thinking, and inappropriate or definitely harmful behaviour - but perhaps that could be said for many mental health issues. But the main thing is that I never suffered from anything like DID, I never thought of voices coming from outside (just the usual silly thoughts), or ever had any hallucinations and/or beliefs so out of the norm and such, so as to make me think I had any other issues other than those mentioned. I'm pretty sure if my problems had been more complicated then I would have sought help. Many seem to accept living with AvPD and that little will change. o_O
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
I'm not sure if I made this thread already, but if I did, then I must have forgotten it, then.

Anyways, my choice would be: deafness, since most new music is awful, and I can always remember the classic music that I favor.

But being blind, however, is another story..... I mean, having to constantly rely on other people would not be enjoyable at all but, instead, be miserable.
I can't see being deaf.
 

Euronymous

SSilence
I see dead people.

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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I'm not sure if I made this thread already, but if I did, then I must have forgotten it, then.

Anyways, my choice would be: deafness, since most new music is awful, and I can always remember the classic music that I favor.

But being blind, however, is another story..... I mean, having to constantly rely on other people would not be enjoyable at all but, instead, be miserable.

Things always look better in the mind, I couldn't live without music.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Deaf is better than blind.
I need sight to do landscaping, hiking, posting, driving, & fiddling with machinery.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I chose blindness. I think I could get by better without sight than without hearing.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I think perhaps I have been lucky, in that the three conditions that seem to have affected me are fairly straight-forward, in that it is mostly down to inappropriate or lack of feelings, inappropriate or delusional thinking, and inappropriate or definitely harmful behaviour - but perhaps that could be said for many mental health issues. But the main thing is that I never suffered from anything like DID, I never thought of voices coming from outside (just the usual silly thoughts), or ever had any hallucinations and/or beliefs so out of the norm and such, so as to make me think I had any other issues other than those mentioned. I'm pretty sure if my problems had been more complicated then I would have sought help. Many seem to accept living with AvPD and that little will change. o_O
The three conditions that seem to have affected me are inappropriate feelings, inappropriate thinking, and inappropriate behavior that were harmful to me. It was what was behind all that was in my subconscious that had to be dealt with and changed, and since I was not aware of what was wrong at first that is why I needed professional help. Once I was self-aware, things started to change slowly but surely. Being aware does not solve everything though; one can be aware of “issues” that manifest in inappropriate thoughts and feelings and still be unable to completely eradicate them. For example, I do not like children because I was not wanted as a child, so I react to people who talk a lot about their children and grandchildren. I “know” the reason I react that way but I have been unable to change my feelings, although I normally keep them to myself and only my husband knows about these feelings I have and why I have them.

I have accepted that I avoid being around people for the most part and I do not see that as a problem... It is just a lifestyle choice I have made. I do not label it as AvPD because that means I have a psychological disorder and that is not the case because I made the choice. If other people think I should be more sociable, that’s their problem. We all have to live our own lives. :rolleyes::)
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
The three conditions that seem to have affected me are inappropriate feelings, inappropriate thinking, and inappropriate behavior that were harmful to me. It was what was behind all that was in my subconscious that had to be dealt with and changed, and since I was not aware of what was wrong at first that is why I needed professional help. Once I was self-aware, things started to change slowly but surely. Being aware does not solve everything though; one can be aware of “issues” that manifest in inappropriate thoughts and feelings and still be unable to completely eradicate them. For example, I do not like children because I was not wanted as a child, so I react to people who talk a lot about their children and grandchildren. I “know” the reason I react that way but I have been unable to change my feelings, although I normally keep them to myself and only my husband knows about these feelings I have and why I have them.

Quite. I was aware that I had problems too. I just felt so bad so often as to not even talk about these with anyone else. Perhaps this had something to do with the nature of family relationships long ago, where, even though I felt loved by my mother, there was not much talking concerning our feelings or anything so related. My parents didn't exactly show much affection towards each other, although when I was very young they did appear to be quite close and enjoyed a laugh together. And my father then used to play with us as much as mum did. Childhoods have such a potential for future damage that it is no wonder so many have difficulties. As a young boy, not sure the exact age, I was attacked by a gang of similarly aged boys once while playing in a local park with a friend. The leader, a little toughy, tried to whip me with his belt - which I managed to get off of him. The fight between us was more even then, and he bit my nose as we wrestled since he appeared to be losing. It quickly turned into a kicking match for him and his buddies until they realised they might have blinded me, at which point they stopped and went away. Now where did he get the idea to use his belt? I had no problems with feeling unloved - my mother could hardly have been more perfect. I just wished I had had a sister, so I could understand and relate better to females - my main problem. Later I discovered that I probably have (if they are still alive) two half-sisters - the result of incest. :oops:

I have accepted that I avoid being around people for the most part and I do not see that as a problem... It is just a lifestyle choice I have made. I do not label it as AvPD because that means I have a psychological disorder and that is not the case because I made the choice. If other people think I should be more sociable, that’s their problem. We all have to live our own lives. :rolleyes::)

Yep. I can live alone or be sociable these days - no problems with either. It's nice to be with others though. :holdinghands: :menholdinghands: :womenholdinghands: :D
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Already legally blind in my left eye, I think that's enough!

In my case it was just blurred vision from having my head kicked about. And when I cried out, "I can't see!", that appeared to worry them and they left off treating my head like a football. :(
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Quite. I was aware that I had problems too. I just felt so bad so often as to not even talk about these with anyone else. Perhaps this had something to do with the nature of family relationships long ago, where, even though I felt loved by my mother, there was not much talking concerning our feelings or anything so related. My parents didn't exactly show much affection towards each other, although when I was very young they did appear to be quite close and enjoyed a laugh together. And my father then used to play with us as much as mum did. Childhoods have such a potential for future damage that it is no wonder so many have difficulties.
Childhoods certainly have the potential to do much emotional damage. I do not remember much of my childhood, but from what I do remember none of us kids got much attention, and my brother and sister verified this later after we were grown up. My brother got some attention from my mother for the first seven years, before my sister was born, but he got no attention from my father whatsoever. He had severe emotional repercussions from that abandonment by his father. I was closer to my father because my mother was more emotionally distant. I do not think she was very capable of connecting on an emotional level and this continued into my adulthood. I lived with her for a number of years while I was in college but we were more like roommates than anything else. I cannot say it was all her fault, I did not have the capacity for emotions back then either.

As a child growing up, I cannot recall getting any emotional support from my parents and I remember being very shy and a loner at school, except I had my sister who was one year older than me… My mom and dad stayed to themselves in their bedroom and we were only allowed to go in there once in a while. I do not remember any family time, except when we went up to a lake on which we had a cabin in the summer. Those were my fondest memories of childhood. I loved that lake. But even there my dad would hide from the kids. My dad did not want kids and my mom did, so I think that caused problems. I can remember some fighting and both were maintenance drinkers.

My dad died when I was 12 and then my mother stated to drink heavily and my sister and I took recreational drugs for a number of years, during the hippie days. Then when we went off to college we never took drugs again and we both became Baha’is during our first year of college.There was a period of time when I was in middle school when the girls at school ganged up on me in gym class because their boyfriends liked me, so I stopped going to school and fell behind a grade. My mother did not know because she was at work. I caught up later. But my sister and her friends protected me when we went out to dances and such. We ran with a pretty rough gang, as I recall one gang was called the Hackers and they were a motorcycle gang. Thinking back, it surprises me that they did not try to take advantage of us, given how young we were and how old they were.

I had an older sister but there was competition between us for attention from our parents, so we that made things difficult at times during childhood... And since neither one of us learned how to deal with feelings growing up we were not close emotionally as adults. I was even more distant from my brother, but I hardly ever even saw him growing up since he was seven years older than I was. My sister died of cancer in 2004, my mom died in 2007, so now the only family I have left is my brother.

I have always been able to relate to men better than to women, probably because I was not that close to my mother or sister, and both had put me down in their own ways, whereas my father was neutral and I gravitated towards my dad.
Yep. I can live alone or be sociable these days - no problems with either. It's nice to be with others though.
I am kind of like you. I can be alone or with people, but I do not like crowds. I prefer to have one other person around to talk to, and it is almost always a man! :) That is probably why I post on this forum more to men than to women. I have always been that way at work too, and my profession used to be comprised of almost all men back when I first got into it back in the late 1970s.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Childhoods certainly have the potential to do much emotional damage. I do not remember much of my childhood, but from what I do remember none of us kids got much attention, and my brother and sister verified this later after we were grown up. My brother got some attention from my mother for the first seven years, before my sister was born, but he got no attention from my father whatsoever. He had severe emotional repercussions from that abandonment by his father. I was closer to my father because my mother was more emotionally distant. I do not think she was very capable of connecting on an emotional level and this continued into my adulthood. I lived with her for a number of years while I was in college but we were more like roommates than anything else. I cannot say it was all her fault, I did not have the capacity for emotions back then either.

It's odd isn't it, that one often only realises how our own particular families differ from others when we compare our experiences. My mother, and father to a lesser degree, were encouraging and supportive, showed as much love as one might have wanted, but my mother was not that physically affectionate with us - no cuddles and kisses as I recall, apart from when she left for work on night-shift. I suspect this came from her own extensive sexual abuse by her father but people in those days didn't tend to be so affectionate with children anyway. I never felt unloved by my mother, that is certain.

As a child growing up, I cannot recall getting any emotional support from my parents and I remember being very shy and a loner at school, except I had my sister who was one year older than me… My mom and dad stayed to themselves in their bedroom and we were only allowed to go in there once in a while. I do not remember any family time, except when we went up to a lake on which we had a cabin in the summer. Those were my fondest memories of childhood. I loved that lake. But even there my dad would hide from the kids. My dad did not want kids and my mom did, so I think that caused problems. I can remember some fighting and both were maintenance drinkers.

Our summer holidays - usually two weeks away in a caravan close to the sea - were really memorable and I'm sure we all enjoyed these. The photos of that time tend to show us all happy apart from me sulking occasionally. :oops: Both my mother and father rarely drank, apart from festive occasions. Given that her father was a complete drunkard it seems that is to be expected.

My dad died when I was 12 and then my mother started to drink heavily and my sister and I took recreational drugs for a number of years, during the hippie days. Then when we went off to college we never took drugs again and we both became Baha’is during our first year of college.There was a period of time when I was in middle school when the girls at school ganged up on me in gym class because their boyfriends liked me, so I stopped going to school and fell behind a grade. My mother did not know because she was at work. I caught up later. But my sister and her friends protected me when we went out to dances and such. We ran with a pretty rough gang, as I recall one gang was called the Hackers and they were a motorcycle gang. Thinking back, it surprises me that they did not try to take advantage of us, given how young we were and how old they were.

The last bit happens all too frequently sadly. I once witnessed a group of teenagers discussing some sexual moment with one of the girls there at the time and where this apparently then led to another girl being actually sexually assaulted. No one appeared to bat an eyelid. I was several years younger than this lot and with my older brother. And your experiences with the gang seem to mirror mine although I only had a relatively short time in their company. I have detailed in my journal some of these experiences - and where subsequently one of the older boys who I considered a friend went on to sexually abuse me. For which I was not eternally grateful! I went to the same secondary school as my older brothers - which was useful for one swimming gala when the three of us were on the same relay team (Nelson House, so anticipating some future sailing perhaps :D), but not winning of course - and since both were reasonably popular, I didn’t get too much stick. I missed the inaugural celebrations on the first day - a head down the toilet whilst being flushed - by being rather quicker than those trying to catch me, but my brother nearly breaking my back later was hardly worth it. I only survived by fainting. I was sat cross-legged on the floor at home when he suddenly came up behind me and pressed down hard on my head with all his might. Eventually, I could feel my spine bending, bowing backwards, and he might have broken my back if I had not passed out at this point. When I awoke he was gone. Failing to get me, it seems some boys had apparently got hold of my brother, and set him up in some roof beams in the playground, his hands tied behind him - much like being crucified. It was not as if I had any idea that this would happen. When I mentioned this incident to my brother later in life, he didn’t remember it, but this is not surprising since we often do bury some of the things we are more ashamed of doing. No doubt many siblings have similar incidents where one sibling could be injured, but to do so deliberately I would feel is not that common, especially when the outcome is known - in my case a possible broken back and life in a wheelchair or worse.

I had an older sister but there was competition between us for attention from our parents, so we that made things difficult at times during childhood... And since neither one of us learned how to deal with feelings growing up we were not close emotionally as adults. I was even more distant from my brother, but I hardly ever even saw him growing up since he was seven years older than I was. My sister died of cancer in 2004, my mom died in 2007, so now the only family I have left is my brother.

Much the same here, since although there was never that much friction between us, we were never that close, and when my mother left her house to me, both stopped talking to me. I was rather worse off than either of them - something no doubt that my mother recognised.

I have always been able to relate to men better than to women, probably because I was not that close to my mother or sister, and both had put me down in their own ways, whereas my father was neutral and I gravitated towards my dad.

I don't mind either but often females are easier to talk to. :D

I am kind of like you. I can be alone or with people, but I do not like crowds. I prefer to have one other person around to talk to, and it is almost always a man! :) That is probably why I post on this forum more to men than to women. I have always been that way at work too, and my profession used to be comprised of almost all men back when I first got into it back in the late 1970s.

And I'm sure many will appreciate this. :D :D
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It's odd isn't it, that one often only realises how our own particular families differ from others when we compare our experiences. My mother, and father to a lesser degree, were encouraging and supportive, showed as much love as one might have wanted, but my mother was not that physically affectionate with us - no cuddles and kisses as I recall, apart from when she left for work on night-shift. I suspect this came from her own extensive sexual abuse by her father but people in those days didn't tend to be so affectionate with children anyway. I never felt unloved by my mother, that is certain.
As I recall, my mother was sexually abused as a child, my brother told me that, but I do not remember the details... I also vaguely recall some sexual impropriety on the part of some college students who lived upstairs when I was about 10 years old, but it was no big deal. Maybe it had an impact, I do not know, as I did have some attitudes and behaviors that might indicate that later in life.

I do not remember being physically close to my mother at all, but I was close to my father at times. But neither one of them ever talked to us about what we would do when we grew up and we did not learn how to do the things many kids learn, how to cook or clean or take care of the yard, home repairs, etc. So, we were pretty unprepared for adult life. My dad was a college professor, English lit, and my mother had some college education, and both were above average intelligence. I guess it was just a given we would go to college, although nobody ever talked about it... Then when I graduated from high school I moved across the country with my sister to go to college, and after that I moved around to about six different states because of colleges I was in.

Maybe some of it is as you said, parents in those days, in the 50s and 60s did not tend to be that affectionate. My dad was of English/Welsh heritage and I have heard that is one reason for being less warm... My mother was Greek and they tend to be more like Italians, warmer, my mother just had issues.
Our summer holidays - usually two weeks away in a caravan close to the sea - were really memorable and I'm sure we all enjoyed these. The photos of that time tend to show us all happy apart from me sulking occasionally.
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Both my mother and father rarely drank, apart from festive occasions. Given that her father was a complete drunkard it seems that is to be expected.
I can recall some times when we went to the lake in the summer, my dad would get really drunk with the guy who ran the landing, a year round resident on the lake who was his buddy. My mom and his wife were chatting about it, but it is all a vague memory now. I just remember my mom being pretty upset. My sister and I were pretty much off to ourselves at the lake, except an occasional card game with the family at night. To this day, I really like the woods and lakes, we live on a large lot that is like a forest overlooking a lake. I think people tend to try to recreate their good times from childhood.
The last bit happens all too frequently sadly. I once witnessed a group of teenagers discussing some sexual moment with one of the girls there at the time and where this apparently then led to another girl being actually sexually assaulted. No one appeared to bat an eyelid. I was several years younger than this lot and with my older brother. And your experiences with the gang seem to mirror mine although I only had a relatively short time in their company. I have detailed in my journal some of these experiences - and where subsequently one of the older boys who I considered a friend went on to sexually abuse me. For which I was not eternally grateful! I went to the same secondary school as my older brothers - which was useful for one swimming gala when the three of us were on the same relay team (Nelson House, so anticipating some future sailing perhaps
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), but not winning of course - and since both were reasonably popular, I didn’t get too much stick. I missed the inaugural celebrations on the first day - a head down the toilet whilst being flushed - by being rather quicker than those trying to catch me, but my brother nearly breaking my back later was hardly worth it. I only survived by fainting. I was sat cross-legged on the floor at home when he suddenly came up behind me and pressed down hard on my head with all his might. Eventually, I could feel my spine bending, bowing backwards, and he might have broken my back if I had not passed out at this point. When I awoke he was gone. Failing to get me, it seems some boys had apparently got hold of my brother, and set him up in some roof beams in the playground, his hands tied behind him - much like being crucified. It was not as if I had any idea that this would happen. When I mentioned this incident to my brother later in life, he didn’t remember it, but this is not surprising since we often do bury some of the things we are more ashamed of doing. No doubt many siblings have similar incidents where one sibling could be injured, but to do so deliberately I would feel is not that common, especially when the outcome is known - in my case a possible broken back and life in a wheelchair or worse.
Sorry to hear you had to go through all of that. I do not think the gangs back in my day were as rough as the ones nowadays... It was a motorcycle gang and I just remembers how they tried to protect us because we were young teenagers... Back in those years I was on recreational drugs a lot so my memory is foggy. Luckily I never got addicted to any drugs though, it was just a phase. Once I went off to college and became a Baha’i, I completely lost interest.
Much the same here, since although there was never that much friction between us, we were never that close, and when my mother left her house to me, both stopped talking to me. I was rather worse off than either of them - something no doubt that my mother recognised.
So your mother left her house to you... My mother was a renter, lived in a condo for the last 10 years of her life, but she saved all her money and left my brother and I a lot of money. He was able to buy a house outright and I was able to move from a smaller house t a larger one. I was always a saver too, and invested a lot of money, so we have more money than we will ever need, a lot invested in stocks and three houses, two of which are paid for and the last one will be paid off next fall. Most of my life I had to worry about having enough money, so that is one reason I saved all my money, the other reason is that I do not really want anything money can buy. We have two very old cars and one never goes anywhere since I rarely drive anymore but rather ride my bike to work. We live a very simple life that revolves around our cats and outdoor animals, most people would consider our life boring, but I do not need excitement. I have always liked learning and I do that on forums mostly. I also always liked writing, as you can see. :D I used to like to travel, but with 11 cats, some of which are old and ill and need constant care, that is really not possible. I have come to accept what is and not want what I cannot have... I live one day at a time.
I don't mind either but often females are easier to talk to.
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That might be because of male gangs and also because you had a mother who was encouraging and supportive, showing you as much love as you wanted. I cannot say the same about my mother, but she did what she could, and I got over being angry at her many decades ago. She did the best she could with what she had. I also think that she taught us to have morals even though we were not raised in any religion. I can thank her for that. :)
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Deaf because I can still enjoy books, films and visuals in general. Not hearing music would be sad but I would lose more without sight. I'm already somewhat hard of hearing and use captions on the tv as it is.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'd say I rather be blind first, mute second, and deaf last. If I were part of the Deaf community, I'd say Deaf, blind, then mute. Blindness doesnt prevent me from communicating and I use my sense of touch and hearing because I do have vision issues. But communication is my life. I can communicate without sight but without hearing and speech, no. Id be loosing some visual art being blind but that I would make up for my other sense. Tactile pictures, being outside, and music. If I were mute or Deaf Id definitely learn ASL. Moving expression is a language and culture onto itself.

I know I answered already. I thought about it some more.
 
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