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Which path is truly "bad"?

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Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
When I look at right hand path religions I see this idea of bettering yourself and bettering the world. Yet these religions often simply seem selfish, self promoting, and redundant.

Let me start with the personal level. As a Luciferian I understand the different paradigms affect different people. Christianity may be good for person A whereas Satanism is good for B and Buddhism for C. In theory they want the same goal - self betterment. Heaven, apotheosis, nirvana, etc. But then many - especially the Right - just come to pushing their religion around and forcing some horribly negative affects on people. They don't care what actually helps, they care about being right. This makes the RHP seem much more "bad" to me because it is blinded with selfishness and arrogance. The Luciferian understands that what works for them might not for you. Setianism won't even let you join if they don't believe their temple can help you. These groups promote enlightened individualism in hopes that all people can stand on their own and better themselves - meanwhile the Right simply desires their own salvation and fights for their own arrogance.

The other side is on a worldwide scale, where the above problems just escalate. The Right will even deny or try and reverse human progress to aid their cause. They will launch psychological attacks at their enemies to either convert or break them. This is vastly more the "evil" and "darkness" than the left leaving room for everyone and having the "out a group" shun itself and create its own downfall. Likewise the Right can be seen to show such hypocracy it cannot even he respected. Huge youth groups, mega churches, only helping those they can convert - this is nothing that any of the main religions promote at heart yet what the followers do.

So which is the light and which is the dark? Which will benefit humanity and which will bring it to ruins? Would you rather have leaders who have individual best interests in mind, who want people to rule themselves with only necessary oversight, and who want to adapt and thrive? Or do you want leaders who only want to rule the people, destroy the individual, and help themselves?
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
So which is the light and which is the dark?
Neither.
Which will benefit humanity and which will bring it to ruins?
Neither.
Would you rather have leaders who have individual best interests in mind, who want people to rule themselves with only necessary oversight, and who want to adapt and thrive? Or do you want leaders who only want to rule the people, destroy the individual, and help themselves?
I'd rather have a leader that sees that their best interests are the interests of others.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I'm a Christian/Yeshuist/, obviously. I don't attend church, don't try to force my beliefs on anyone, and frankly don't really care even if you want to be 'lhp'.(vague enough?).
That being said, I can't relate to anything you wrote in the OP, I think you're talking about establishments, not religion or belief systems.
 

Thana

Lady
I think you're generalizing way, way too much.

Which will benefit humanity? Neither. Religion isn't about fixing the world, Atleast my religion isn't. Thank goodness I'm not that self righteous :)
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I think you're generalizing way, way too much.

Which will benefit humanity? Neither. Religion isn't about fixing the world, Atleast my religion isn't. Thank goodness I'm not that self righteous :)

What religion are you? I thought it was LDS for some reason.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
The issue her primarily stems from the fact that religions such as Christianity or Islam do not actually seek to better the world as they are focused on bettering humans. This creates a problem though because many religions like Christianity and Islam seek to better the world by making it conform to falsehoods and superstitions which although relieve us of problems(like fear of death) it creates more problems This problem is further enhanced when people of a religion are encountered by another religion which paints objective claims on the world no different then theirs. People dislike falsehood naturally so they must fight and destroy in order to preserve their own falsehood. RHP religions seek the same things but form circular issues. LHP religions solve this but in turn create another issues which is that they disable the ability for individuals to get along with individuals by only focusing on the self. The minute one individual becomes a little righteous then problems like cultish behavior and chaos arise.

LHP and RHP are very irrelevant for the most part because you will need to balance the two no differently than subjectivity and objectivity.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
The issue her primarily stems from the fact that religions such as Christianity or Islam do not actually seek to better the world as they are focused on bettering humans. This creates a problem though because many religions like Christianity and Islam seek to better the world by making it conform to falsehoods and superstitions which although relieve us of problems(like fear of death) it creates more problems This problem is further enhanced when people of a religion are encountered by another religion which paints objective claims on the world no different then theirs. People dislike falsehood naturally so they must fight and destroy in order to preserve their own falsehood. RHP religions seek the same things but form circular issues. LHP religions solve this but in turn create another issues which is that they disable the ability for individuals to get along with individuals by only focusing on the self. The minute one individual becomes a little righteous then problems like cultish behavior and chaos arise.

LHP and RHP are very irrelevant for the most part because you will need to balance the two no differently than subjectivity and objectivity.

I don't understand what you are trying to say and it doesn't seem to make sense to me. For instance you first said:

"religions such as Christianity or Islam do not actually seek to better the world as they are focused on bettering humans"

and then in the next sentence you said:

"religions like Christianity and Islam seek to better the world"

What exactly are you saying?
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I don't understand what you are trying to say and it doesn't seem to make sense to me. For instance you first said:

"religions such as Christianity or Islam do not actually seek to better the world as they are focused on bettering humans"

and then in the next sentence you said:

"religions like Christianity and Islam seek to better the world"

What exactly are you saying?

They seek to better the world by assuming that if they give something to every individual the world will automatically be better as a result from it. I am describing priorities although I may have failed
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I think any so called path that takes you away from your true inner self is the wrong path, no matter what religion.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I think that any path that shames you for being human and promotes the idea that you need an outside source to "save" you, instead of encouraging you to grow in your own powers and strength, is bad.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I think that any path that shames you for being human and promotes the idea that you need an outside source to "save" you, instead of encouraging you to grow in your own powers and strength, is bad.


Unless of course, it is true that we don't have the necessary power and strength and we do need to be saved by an outside source then it wouldn't be bad or shameful, but good to know and be aware of such important information.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Nothing can benefit humanity ultimately, it someday will fall and nothing can prolong it except for simply living one day at a time.

And why abide humanity? Why propose a ruler? Rulers have a cold-hearted will; they give you what they THINK you want, but move aside rulers as I know myself better than anyone else.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Unless of course, it is true that we don't have the necessary power and strength and we do need to be saved by an outside source then it wouldn't be bad or shameful, but good to know and be aware of such important information.

Which I have no reason to believe. I think that's a poisonous idea that keeps humanity down and holds us back.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Preach it! al'hamdu'shaytan

Hail Satan! Hail ThySelf! :D

Seriously, I was a Catholic for a time. It clouds your mind and you develop such a strong emotional attachment to it that it binds you to it, so that it's hard and even painful to see the truth of it. The Bible god is evil. Jesus probably didn't exist as a historical person, although his story could be salvaged if it's disconnected from the evil OT and that "savior" and human sacrifice nonsense is stripped from it and it's taken as a narrative of spiritual ascension that all humans can attain. Followers of Hellenismos do much the same with figures like Orpheus and the Heroes. They're examples to be followed, not "saviors" to blindly follow. Gnostic Christianity is a better choice than all the others.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Looking at the track record of humanity seems to be a pretty good indication, from my perspective at least, that we aren't doing too well on our own.

It is an observable fact that we aren't doing too well. So no matter what you add to that - whether there is a higher power, or we have been living on our own, it remains that we aren't doing too well. If God exists, then we're not doing too well depending on an outer source. If God doesn't, then we're not doing too well depending on ourselves. To be honest, I wouldn't blame divine intervention, I'd blame people who try to intervene with the lives that are not their own.
 
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