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Which Religions Will Die Out?

Jumi

Well-Known Member
This is not a claim...This is a fact...A scientific science...
All wrong ideas die...
It's not scientific. There are many false ideas that people follow. You need a certain type of character that's completely honest to accept that you might be wrong to get to truth. Most seem satisfied with their ideas even if they see examples that prove them wrong.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Then why does religious belief persist in diversifying?

Islam
It's not scientific. There are many false ideas that people follow. You need a certain type of character that's completely honest to accept that you might be wrong to get to truth. Most seem satisfied with their ideas even if they see examples that prove them wrong.

It is clear that you assume that there is no truth out there.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Is Hinduism included within Islam?

Hinduism is a local religion...Why is that after all these centuries it is still a local religion....

Just study how the young Indians look at it ...It is certainly die ing.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Hinduism included within Islam?

Truthfulness of revelation to Krishna, without specifically mentioning his name, is confirmed by Quran as Quran confirms truthfulness of Buddha, Zoroaster and or Socrates. God sent his messengers/prophets to all the regions of the world.
Regards
 

Kirran

Premium Member

My question was why religious beliefs become more variable. If everybody was converging onone truth the inverse would occur.

It is clear that you assume that there is no truth out there.

On the contrary. But I don't believe anybody has the exclusive patent on it.

Hinduism is a local religion...Why is that after all these centuries it is still a local religion....

Just study how the young Indians look at it ...It is certainly die ing.

I don't think so. I'm a convert to Hinduism. As are a good half of the Hindus here on RF. And there are certainly many young Hindus who are very devoted.

A major difference is that in Hinduism freedom of religion is generally much more respected, so a Hindu who does leave the religion or isn't very serious about it wouldn't have to hide that fact, as a Muslim generally would due to social stigma and in many cases legal restrictions.

As for why it's generally a local religion, that's because it doesn't have this missionary impulse.

Although despite this, there are still temples continuing to emerge in many countries at the moment. Currently in Ghana and the Ivory Coast a lot of people are turning to Hinduism under the teachings of Swami Ghanananda. Building temples etc.
 
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Kirran

Premium Member
Truthfulness of revelation to Krishna, without specifically mentioning his name, is confirmed by Quran as Quran confirms truthfulness of Buddha, Zoroaster and or Socrates. God sent his messengers/prophets to all the regions of the world.
Regards

But remember, the Buddha said nothing about God, and his early followers were all atheist. This seems a very different message.

Maybe all religions are equally valid?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I think the religion's that will die out are the fundamentalist and dogmatic, we are starting to wake up, realizing that all the magic that supposedly happen back years ago was just through ignorance of science, or of not knowing the reality of nature.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
I heard Judaism does not accept converts. If so, this kinda worries me as having followers will depend on birth only (if I'm not mistaken).
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I heard Judaism does not accept converts. If so, this kinda worries me as having followers will depend on birth only (if I'm not mistaken).

It does accept converts. It's just a tough process, and it doesn't proselytise. It's much easier to become a Reform Jew than it is to become an Orthodox Jew.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
But remember, the Buddha said nothing about God, and his early followers were all atheist. This seems a very different message.
Maybe all religions are equally valid?

It is a wrong concept. Buddha did believe in G-d:

“There is, O monks, an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed. Were there not, O monks, this Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, there would be no escape from the world of the born, originated, created, formed. Since, O monks, there is an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, therefore is there an escape from the born, originated, created, formed. What is dependant, that also moves; what is independent does not move.“—(Udana 8:3)
and
“The one who does not desire anything,
“But directly knows even the uncreated;
“Not satisfied, such a one breaks off any
“Possibility for rebirth by swallowing
“What he has made. Such one is the Supreme!”–Dhammapada 9

Buddha'd followers later forsake Buddha's teachings like the Christians forsake Jesus' truthful teachings.

Regards
 

Kirran

Premium Member
It is a wrong concept. Buddha did believe in G-d:

“There is, O monks, an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed. Were there not, O monks, this Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, there would be no escape from the world of the born, originated, created, formed. Since, O monks, there is an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, therefore is there an escape from the born, originated, created, formed. What is dependant, that also moves; what is independent does not move.“—(Udana 8:3)
and
“The one who does not desire anything,
“But directly knows even the uncreated;
“Not satisfied, such a one breaks off any
“Possibility for rebirth by swallowing
“What he has made. Such one is the Supreme!”–Dhammapada 9

Buddha'd followers later forsake Buddha's teachings like the Christians forsake Jesus' truthful teachings.

Regards

This in no way describes a God in the sense of how Allah is depicted in Islam.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Zoroastrians aren't and weren't closed, same with Jews. There are converts to both. I think both were forced not to accept converts at certain times.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
This in no way describes a God in the sense of how Allah is depicted in Islam.

It is very close to it. If Buddha's actual words would have been there; it would have been even closer. Unfortunately, Buddha did not write anything or dictate anything, just like Jesus.
Regards
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It is a wrong concept. Buddha did believe in G-d:

“There is, O monks, an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed. Were there not, O monks, this Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, there would be no escape from the world of the born, originated, created, formed. Since, O monks, there is an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, therefore is there an escape from the born, originated, created, formed. What is dependant, that also moves; what is independent does not move.“—(Udana 8:3)
and
“The one who does not desire anything,
“But directly knows even the uncreated;
“Not satisfied, such a one breaks off any
“Possibility for rebirth by swallowing
“What he has made. Such one is the Supreme!”–Dhammapada 9

Buddha'd followers later forsake Buddha's teachings like the Christians forsake Jesus' truthful teachings.

Regards
Eh, even if I agreed with your reading of that Dhammapada excerpt (which I do not), I would simply disagree with it then.

It would be a very sorry Buddhist, the one who made a point of having no mind of his own, no opinion of his own on such strictly personal matters as whether there is a God.

I may disagree with the Tathagata. I must, in fact, preserve that capability if I aim to be worth of his teachings. There is no shame in challenging tradition, because it may be wrong and it will become wrong as circunstances change. Religious teachings must be renewed to remain valid.

But really, if you insist on putting things on terms of whether there is a God or not, there is not even a wrong opinion in there. People may believe in God or not. Either way is just as valid as the other, because gods are people's creations.
 
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