Which Will Win Out In The End: Creationism or Evolution?

[Jayhawker Soule]

So much so that our children are likely to believe exactly as we do.

Do you believe exactly as your parents did at your age?

 

[Booko]

Actually, my religion is "Blasphemer". Who are these "Harry Tics" you speak of?

We have plenty of Harry Tics in Georgia. I have to look for them regularly after long bouts of gardening.

I, myself, am an infidel.

 

[Booko]

It hasn't changed in the last 100 years, and its not likely to change in the next 100. We're all too attached too our own point of view. So much so that our children are likely to believe exactly as we do.

How so? Even opponents of evolutionary theory have had to give ground and admit that species do actually change.

They just invented that nifty term "macroevolution" so they can still deny that humans have not always looked as we do now.

 

[dbakerman76]

Do you believe exactly as your parents did at your age?

My opinion on evolution and creationism are more or less identical to my father's when he was 30. My mother has no real opinion on these type of things. She's more concerned with the day to day.

 

[dbakerman76]

How so? Even opponents of evolutionary theory have had to give ground and admit that species do actually change.

They just invented that nifty term "macroevolution" so they can still deny that humans have not always looked as we do now.

I was speaking in broad terms. While its true that some of the specifics have changed, the conflict at its core remains virtually unchanged from when the theory was first proposed.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

My opinion on evolution and creationism are more or less identical to my father's when he was 30.

That's interesting. Do you think that your understanding of evolution and creationism is more or less identical to my father's when he was 30?

 

[dbakerman76]

That's interesting. Do you think that your understanding of evolution and creationism is more or less identical to my father's when he was 30?

I honestly have no idea.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I honestly have no idea.

I would think ones opinion would be to a great extent a function of one's understanding.

 

[Booko]

I was speaking in broad terms. While its true that some of the specifics have changed, the conflict at its core remains virtually unchanged from when the theory was first proposed.

There is some of that, of course. That is, the core idea that "humans have always been this way, just as God created us" is still around.

But there is a significant body of opinion that has shifted more in the direction of evolution that anything normally seen a few decades ago.

 

[Buttercup]

A hundred years from now, which will have won out: Creationism or Evolution?

I'm thinking we will have much more evolutionary evidence....and still no proof that a supreme being created the universe. But, I don't think that will change those with a religous bent although there may be fewer believers with the evolutionary evidence piling up.

 

[logician]

Evolution won when Darwin wrote his masterpiece, creationists are no more than cultists w/o a leg to stand on.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

I had no idea they were competing.

I can tell you Victor in Oklahoma and Texas, they are definately competing and I know several people with Master's and Doctorate level degrees who are firmly convinced of a Young Earth/Biblical Literal Creation.

B.

 

[logician]

" know several people with Master's and Doctorate level degrees who are firmly convinced of a Young Earth/Biblical Literal Creation.
"

Only goes to show that a piece of paper does not imply intelligence.

 

[Booko]

I can tell you Victor in Oklahoma and Texas, they are definately competing and I know several people with Master's and Doctorate level degrees who are firmly convinced of a Young Earth/Biblical Literal Creation.

Oh, they're certainly competing here in Jawja as well, especially in our notorious Cobb County nextdoor to me.

Just curious, but what disciplines are those Master's and Phuddy Duddy's in?

 

[Super Universe]

Hmm, the truth is not a selection?

 

[Smoke]

Evolution has already won, in that there's no doubt about it at all among people who don't hold some religious belief that compels them to deny the obvious.

I expect that in 100 years there will still be people who deny the facts, but that more religious people than now will have found ways to reconcile science and their religion.

 

[Real Sorceror]

How, nobody voted "creationism". If this poll had been given at TOL.....*shudder*

 

[Super Universe]

I believe that both are correct, evolution and creation.

Evolution is the default selection, when the active process is not involved, but evolution controls lifeforms already present, it does not give life to non-life.

Also when you think about everything that must be perfect for the human heart to exist and function the way it does: blood just right, lungs work perfect, body electric system, specific cells that make up the heart, blood vessels...

It's amazing that people think all of this evolves on it's own, without any direction. And each specific piece not only evolves perfectly but they all evolve in a precise order.

The turtle did not just happen to grow a protective shell, it was intended.

 

[Real Sorceror]

I believe that both are correct, evolution and creation.

Evolution is the default selection, when the active process is not involved, but evolution controls lifeforms already present, it does not give life to non-life.

Agreed.

Also when you think about everything that must be perfect for the human heart to exist and function the way it does: blood just right, lungs work perfect, body electric system, specific cells that make up the heart, blood vessels...

No, no thats the wrong way to look at it. If you look at the finnished product, it seems far too complicated. Its better to look at the starting point and view the slow steps and tiny changes it took to reach the final product.

It's amazing that people think all of this evolves on it's own, without any direction. And each specific piece not only evolves perfectly but they all evolve in a precise order.

Evolution is a survival mechanism. If it where perfect, animals and plants would be practically invincible. Also, you are still using that backwards thinking. Trust me, it makes much more sense when viewed from start to finnish than from finnish to start.

The turtle did not just happen to grow a protective shell, it was intended.

By any chance are you an Intelligent Desighn supporter? You are right that turtles did not spontaneously sprout shells. The turtle's ancesters had a slow toughening of the skin and developed cartalige and bone structures which slowly become what we know recognize as a shell.

 

[mostly harmless]

I think that the more people learn about God and the more people learn about evolution...they may see the beaty in evolution that I do..

Here's what I think..
God created the world in 7 days..(metaphorically)...it could have been millions of years, right?

The proof is there for evolution.

I believe that God is in everything. So, even when we were still apes we had God in us. We evolved, we learned, we started acknowledging God...and here we are Homo Sapiens..Still trying to figure God out...I think he created us TO evolve. To learn. To grow. To change. To come ever closer to Him.
(just a little side bar-I believe God to be male and female-but I usually use masculine references in my 'speech')