Which world is better?

[savagewind]

Is that why you believe? Is it fear?

I was a Jehovah's Witness. I believe I was taught to fear displeasing Jehovah. But, I think that most Jehovah's Witnesses believe in Jehovah for love and wisdom. It is why I was one for some twenty years.

 

[kjw47]

Is that why you believe? Is it fear?

I believe because its truth.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I was a Jehovah's Witness. I believe I was taught to fear displeasing Jehovah. But, I think that most Jehovah's Witnesses believe in Jehovah for love and wisdom. It is why I was one for some twenty years.

Ive had two jehovah friends, a couple. They didnt seem harsh nor did the lady who talked with me at the bus stop. Though, with the evangalization is not needed, I find more issues with JW online than in person. Even at the Hall no one pushed the bible on me.

Im wondering if the true nature of the JW is online but externally, everything is fine. But I knew one former aquintence who, in high school, said her parents put so many rules in her shed cry. I dont know which indoctrination is worse, JW or Catholic. But I havent experinced either. Im thankful with that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I believe because its truth.

I see the truth that we just die. Thats it. Call it a nineth sense but getting older and medical issues, it just makes more sense. We dont live forever. Its a nice thought. Keeps people sane. Truth, no. Comfort zone, most definitely.

But now you finally explained your point, were you going deeper with this or just stating your belief?

 

[savagewind]

I believe because its truth.

Except that Jesus is the truth.

 

[kjw47]

I see the truth that we just die. Thats it. Call it a nineth sense but getting older and medical issues, it just makes more sense. We dont live forever. Its a nice thought. Keeps people sane. Truth, no. Comfort zone, most definitely.

But now you finally explained your point, were you going deeper with this or just stating your belief?

You must not understand what occurred in Eden. When satan told Eve they would become like God, knowing good and bad--was saying if mortals knew both sides themselves they could choose for themselves to the path of lasting happiness. But it was not truth. It was a direct challenge to Gods universal sovereignty- so once and for all time, it is being proven God is right. At the same time all goats will be weeded out. Even 1/3 of the angels fell. So it could have happened over and over. this way once. It is almost done. One must be living now to do Gods will( Matt 7:21)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You must not understand what occurred in Eden. When satan told Eve they would become like God, knowing good and bad--was saying if mortals knew both sides themselves they could choose for themselves to the path of lasting happiness. But it was not truth. It was a direct challenge to Gods universal sovereignty- so once and for all time, it is being proven God is right. At the same time all goats will be weeded out. Even 1/3 of the angels fell. So it could have happened over and over. this way once. It is almost done. One must be living now to do Gods will( Matt 7:21)

I understand. What does that mean for me? Are you teaching? Explaining? Making a point?

 

[kjw47]

I understand. What does that mean for me? Are you teaching? Explaining? Making a point?

This system was forced on all of us including God by the actions of the 3 rebels in Eden. This isn't what God wants.
Many blame God for the actions he had to show all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This system was forced on all of us including God by the actions of the 3 rebels in Eden. This isn't what God wants.
Many blame God for the actions he had to show all.

We will die. That's it. No afterlife. Nada. What are you trying to say?

 

[kjw47]

We will die. That's it. No afterlife. Nada. What are you trying to say?

God promised a resurrection.

 

[Hawkins]

1) God created mortals to know only good. To live forever, never sick, not aging like now. In a garden of Eden( paradise) Put one thing in the way so they could have free will, free will to choose to know God loves us and wants the best for us and created all creation and handed life for free on a silver platter to all mortals. And with variety in all his creations. To be one human family with Love the motive of hearts, not profit.
The angel being called satan and devil rebelled, lied to Eve and she listened, Adam stood up for her over God. If God killed all 3 on the spot, no one ever born would have been, plus later1/3 of the angels fell. So once and for all time it is being proved which world is better. The one that mortals know only good, or this system of things ruled by satan? If one wants to live in Gods world. They must live now to do his will( Matt 7:21) Gods kingdom will bring a reality of Gods plan back to action. That is why it is good news-the coming of Gods kingdom.
Which world is better?

You may have read the Bible out of context.

To me, the story only says that the best way to protect Adam and Eve is to keep them as innocent as possible, instead of telling them what raping is, what murdering is and etc. Satan on the other hand is to direct them to understand good from bad, such that they subject themselves to the judgment of Law.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God promised a resurrection.

Okay....

 

[kjw47]

You may have read the Bible out of context.

To me, the story only says that the best way to protect Adam and Eve is to keep them as innocent as possible, instead of telling them what raping is, what murdering is and etc. Satan on the other hand is to direct them to understand good from bad, such that they subject themselves to the judgment of Law.

I didn't read it out of context. When satan told Eve-- You will become like God knowing good and bad was a direct challenge to Gods universal sovereignty. God says mortals need to know only good and listen to his advice to finding the best path to lasting happiness. He is right.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

There simply is no evidence that this is or ever was the case. From the get-go, we grow, age, and eventually die-- the "cycle of life". Whether there's a heaven or not is another matter.

Of course there is!

Haven't you ever wondered why the generations immediately following A&E (as recorded in the Bible), had such long lives?

What accounts for it?

They were genetically closer to A&E's perfection (which they lost through disobedience). According to the Scripture, Human longevity gradually diminished, which agrees with the understanding of genetics of populations.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The world where Jewish scriptures aren't bastardised by Christians and Satan isn't turned into some evil being.

Hey Rival, hope you are having a great day!

Are you implying the OP is misunderstanding the Hebrew Scriptures here? How?
And how do you explain Job 1 & 2?
Or Exodus 7, where Moses' staff overcomes the supernatural power behind the staffs of the magic-practicing priests?

Both accounts show an opposing force existed.

 

[Rival]

Hey Rival, hope you are having a great day!

Are you implying the OP is misunderstanding the Hebrew Scriptures here? How?
And how do you explain Job 1 & 2?
Or Exodus 7, where Moses' staff overcomes the supernatural power behind the staffs of the magic-practicing priests?

Both accounts show an opposing force existed.

Satan in Job is still under G-d's control; he's not evil or fallen or any such.

There seem to be broadly 2 Jewish views on the Exodus story; either it was magic tricks or there are, indeed, forces that humans can mess with but shouldn't, hence the prohibitions. Nowhere does it say it's from Satan.

 

[MNoBody]

1) God created mortals to know only good. To live forever, never sick, not aging like now. In a garden of Eden( paradise) Put one thing in the way so they could have free will, free will to choose to know God loves us and wants the best for us and created all creation and handed life for free on a silver platter to all mortals. And with variety in all his creations. To be one human family with Love the motive of hearts, not profit.
The angel being called satan and devil rebelled, lied to Eve and she listened, Adam stood up for her over God. If God killed all 3 on the spot, no one ever born would have been, plus later1/3 of the angels fell. So once and for all time it is being proved which world is better. The one that mortals know only good, or this system of things ruled by satan? If one wants to live in Gods world. They must live now to do his will( Matt 7:21) Gods kingdom will bring a reality of Gods plan back to action. That is why it is good news-the coming of Gods kingdom.
Which world is better?

both are equally stories people make up to explain what is not comprehended.
the first would be a clock-work type world with limits built in, freedom of will would not exist and if it was supposed that it did, it would have no outlet for expression.... the end result would be a bunch of arrogant kids with no street smarts.
the second is a completely hypothetical scenario again which has labeled the supposed causes of the chaos and paradox we find in existence in a pejorative way, end result would be a nice human farm for some type of higher order of being who predate upon humanity for their own selfish benefits.
which is how it comes off to a lot of people I have met over the decades.

 

[metis]

Of course there is!

Haven't you ever wondered why the generations immediately following A&E (as recorded in the Bible), had such long lives?

What accounts for it?

You look at the scriptures as if they are objective history, but I don't. Yes, they include history, but they do it from a subjective perspective. The Qu'ran covers subjective history as well, as do the Upanishads, but you'll likely disagree with them on numerous matters, right?

They were genetically closer to A&E's perfection (which they lost through disobedience). According to the Scripture, Human longevity gradually diminished, which agrees with the understanding of genetics of populations.

It doesn't relate to genetics at all in that context as we are living much longer on the average than people who were living in biblical times.

 

[MNoBody]

Then you reject God and stand in opposition to his son. Dogmas are rarely correct. The one set of teachers on earth who have Jesus are correct. The bible has truth. Mortals twist it into oblivion.

Dogmatic thinking has a terrible cruel reputation.
but....puppies and kittens
dogs and cats
dogmas come from dogged beliefs which one doggedly adheres to [as a good dog of god, to turn the phrasing as the dominican monks were fond of doing -being referred to as the dogs of god]

catmas on the other hand are meta-beliefs which are handled laterally/dynamically, rather than static/linear/algebraically
in that they are accepted [as a working title, for the time being], to be a description, that may make some sense in one sense and no sense in another, and from all this it may be possible to play around with things until they begin to form some new sort of sense [meaning useful demonstrably] from which one continues the interacting>processing loop, always building new models
[since they are merely disposable working titles, good for the moment-like a one time crypto-key with a shelf-life]
but one must be a good doggy and let go of the bones of belief to entertain cats [the muses/mewses].

 

[MNoBody]

The blind guides tell all, they are going to heaven at death and will live. That would be senseless since all thought stops and one wouldn't have a clue about anything.
They teach Jesus was in Paradise the first day of death with the thief. 0 biblical backing on that. The bible clearly teaches Jesus was in Hades( hell) for 3 days. A comma error in the statement made to the thief is misleading.

truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise=comma error placement.
truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.= correct.

The ressurection occurs after Har-mageddon comes to the earth. The New earth will be Paradise that Jesus mentioned.

etymologically though PRDS-paradise, is 'an enclosure for animals'.
which defines the edenic-world depicted in the mythology in an ideal state,
and the post edenic westworld realm of exile which humans are said in the story to now be in..presently [since the "dawn of Time"].