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White man blocks Atlanta doctor from entering her own home

esmith

Veteran Member
Conservatives think there's a lot more racism 'hoaxes' than the real thing happening. RW media told them that.
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dust1n

Zindīq
I was actually taking a swipe at cops, who use
the charges as an excuse to arrest anyone.

Seems like, I don't know, blocking someone from entering their own home for a few hours and calling the cops on them seems like an impingement of someone's freedom don't it?

From cop behavior I see here, they don't arrest anyone for
trespassing unless the perp refuses to move when ordered.
They could've for creating a disturbance, but consider....
If the problem is resolved & the guy now knows he was wrong,
would you want to haul him away, & face a bunch'o paperwork?
This might be a good example of cops handling things well.
No one was injured.

Apparently he did own a townhouse there are something; story doesn't make much of an effort to clarify that. Personally I'd be fine if people got fined for trying to call cops on people for no reason. Seems like it would serve as a deterrent could issue on a fine between a given range for severity.

It's just too bad that bigoted arschlochen walk (or drive) among us.

It is, but I'd prefer them walking or driving around rather than *checks notes* harassing strangers by blocking them freedom of movement for no justifiable reason.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Seems like, I don't know, blocking someone from entering their own home for a few hours and calling the cops on them seems like an impingement of someone's freedom don't it?
It is indeed.
But such things are widely tolerated.
They shouldn't be.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
There's a very good reason that blacks feel themselves the object of racism. Because they are. This is one example of a bunch of recent news stories. The headline speaks for itself.

White man blocks Atlanta doctor from entering her own home
Well I got problems with this article. From what we are told (from one perspective) it appears to me this man acted inappropriately bad and I am surprised he was not even charged with a crime like detaining a person against there will or something like that. People acting inappropriately will always happen a certain number of times every single day in a country of 300+ million people producing billions of encounters. What I don't like is the over-attention given to this one story because that issue (racial conflict) is what grabs emotions and attention.

Even if that guy truly does dislike blacks and that motivated his behavior, it is not international news now. That behavior is so atypical of the hundreds of interactions between the races that I personally witness everyday. If we are going to blow-up in the media every atypical individual event, we are going to create a distorted view of the big picture in this country and thereby inflame racial tensions once again.

Basically what I am saying is that a drama queen media is actually adding to the perception of the racial tension in this country beyond what the big picture really looks like.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Because I see no other plausible one.
He knew only her race, gender, & car preference.
We don’t know that that is all he knew, at all. He knew how she was behaving. (Was she tailgating?) I can think of several alternate motives he may have had. Road rage for one. Being a jerk for another. Perhaps he simply has mental health issues. Maybe he’s sexist and not racist. Maybe he recognized her from a past encounter even though she doesn’t remember him and he “saw his chance”. There are many possible motives and some quite easily are more likely than that he was motivated by race.

We don’t know his motives.

That’s one good reason he should have been charged, so we could get to the bottom of it all.

Does it have to be race simply because you can’t see plausibility in other possible motives?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We don’t know that that is all he knew, at all. He knew how she was behaving. (Was she tailgating?) I can think of several alternate motives he may have had. Road rage for one. Being a jerk for another. Perhaps he simply has mental health issues. Maybe he’s sexist and not racist. Maybe he recognized her from a past encounter even though she doesn’t remember him and he “saw his chance”. There are many possible motives and some quite easily are more likely than that he was motivated by race.

We don’t know his motives.

That’s one good reason he should have been charged, so we could get to the bottom of it all.

Does it have to be race simply because you can’t see plausibility in other possible motives?
I applied my judgement to the claims by both parties.
"Tailgating" sounded like a made up justification, since it's not about her residency.
"Mental health" is certainly possible, but lacks explanatory power.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I applied my judgement to the claims by both parties.
"Tailgating" sounded like a made up justification, since it's not about her residency.
"Mental health" is certainly possible, but lacks explanatory power.
The point is, there are many other explanations far more common than racism that explain the facts. Saying he acted out of racism is an unproven assumption.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The point is, there are many other explanations far more common than racism that explain the facts. Saying he acted out of racism is an unproven assumption.
I'm not claiming proof.
It's just my opinion.
I could be wrong.
It happened once last year!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I advise against combating racism with more racism.


As do I, my application of the term comes from my personal definition of it , one that hates black people merely because they are black and is rather insane about it. The problem with a pejorative is that it is as I said far too often too widely applied. I will withdraw it then, even in this extreme case.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The point is, there are many other explanations far more common than racism that explain the facts. Saying he acted out of racism is an unproven assumption.
The evidence is rather clear. She was driving her own car. A nice car, not an obvious piece of junk. She had her own gate clicker that she showed to the man. She could open the gate up without his help. There was no need to "tailgate" which was his claim. The only obvious trait that marked her as "different" from the other residents there was her skin color.

What other explanation do you have? I would like to hear it.

EDIT: A conclusion drawn from evidence is not an assumption. People make the "assumption" clam far too often not realizing that they are putting the burden of proof upon themselves to show evidence for it being an assumption when they do so. I don't think you are about to justify your use of the term.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As do I, my application of the term comes from my personal definition of it , one that hates black people merely because they are black and is rather insane about it. The problem with a pejorative is that it is as I said far too often too widely applied. I will withdraw it then, even in this extreme case.
I sensed no malice on your part.
My comment was general.
Too many people on RF express bigotry & get away with it.
They'll dis the aged, being white, being southern, not having degrees, political affiliation, etc.
Those things are fair game.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The evidence is rather clear. She was driving her own car. A nice car, not an obvious piece of junk. She had her own gate clicker that she showed to the man. She could open the gate up without his help. There was no need to "tailgate" which was his claim. The only obvious trait that marked her as "different" from the other residents there was her skin color.

What other explanation do you have? I would like to hear it.

EDIT: A conclusion drawn from evidence is not an assumption. People make the "assumption" clam far too often not realizing that they are putting the burden of proof upon themselves to show evidence for it being an assumption when they do so. I don't think you are about to justify your use of the term.
You are making an assumption indeed, an assumption of his motives. He was being a jerk, to say the least. But people can be jerks for many reasons besides being racists. What other explanation do I have? I don’t need to have one, you are tha one claiming to know his motives. Did he make a racist statement? Not according to the article. Use racist epithets? No mention of that in the article. So I ask again what evidence do you have that he was motivated by race?

Make no mistake. I’m not defending him. I am trying to help you from making unsubstantiated allegations. Calling someone racist is serious and should only be done when there is concrete proof.
 
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