white people to the back, black people to the front

[Sultan Of Swing]

Ahh, Black Hitler, as he's known on YT. At first I thought he was just a hyperbolic parody, but some of his videos are just plain scary.

I understand there are a few crazies out there, but I don't get the folk who follow him and are actually paying 'reparations'

 

[metis]

I don't know of any American movement that consisted of entirely homogeneous people, and often even the leadership can vary. So, instead of judging the movement on what Joe Schmoe said, it's more representative of a movement to see its basic intent stipulated by their official stance. Same is true with police, as they're certainly not all on the same page either.

Therefore, to posit one black person or one police officer as somehow being representative of the entire group doesn't make any sense.

 

[columbus]

Therefore, to posit one black person or one police officer as somehow being representative of the entire group doesn't make any sense.

I definitely agree. Although I think #BLM could be a lot more clear about that.
But there is also a meta-message here. Can you really imagine a white person with a loudspeaker saying "Blacks to the back! Whites to the front! Don't make me have to throw you out!"
No. Because overt racist behavior would be called out with atomic sarcasm, if a white person did it.
Tom

 

[metis]

I definitely agree. Although I think #BLM could be a lot more clear about that.
But there is also a meta-message here. Can you really imagine a white person with a loudspeaker saying "Blacks to the back! Whites to the front! Don't make me have to throw you out!"
No. Because overt racist behavior would be called out with atomic sarcasm, if a white person did it.
Tom

I agree, and I have personally experienced anti-white racism put out by a couple of black guys quite a few years ago. No nationality or "race" has a monopoly on this.

 

[George-ananda]

I don't know of any American movement that consisted of entirely homogeneous people, and often even the leadership can vary. So, instead of judging the movement on what Joe Schmoe said, it's more representative of a movement to see its basic intent stipulated by their official stance. Same is true with police, as they're certainly not all on the same page either.

Therefore, to posit one black person or one police officer as somehow being representative of the entire group doesn't make any sense.

I see your point, but it strikes me like someone saying let's judge the old Soviet Union by their nice and sensible constitution.

 

[metis]

I see your point, but it strikes me like someone saying let's judge the old Soviet Union by their nice and sensible constitution.

But even official actions are not limited to just a constitution, and one indeed should look at what the leadership says even if they're not all on the same page. Therefore, even though the Russian constitution may be all fine and dandy in our eyes, I don't think most of us here in the west are super crazy about Putin-- except the Donald of course,

 

[George-ananda]

I definitely agree. Although I think #BLM could be a lot more clear about that.
But there is also a meta-message here. Can you really imagine a white person with a loudspeaker saying "Blacks to the back! Whites to the front! Don't make me have to throw you out!"
No. Because overt racist behavior would be called out with atomic sarcasm, if a white person did it.
Tom

You make a true point. We have passed balanced-scales to the point where anti-white emotions do not provoke societal excitement anywhere near the way anti-black emotions do.

 

[George-ananda]

But even official actions are not limited to just a constitution, and one indeed should look at what the leadership says even if they're not all on the same page. Therefore, even though the Russian constitution may be all find and dandy in our eyes, I don't think most of us here in the west are super crazy about Putin-- except the Donald of course,

I was talking about the old Soviet Union and not Russia, but let's get back on topic. I see BLM as a place for anti-white attitudes to collect and get fanned to flames. I see how it does far more harm to the nation than good.

Edit: I think the organization went wrong from their 'poor abused us in 2015 America' name.

 

[metis]

I was talking about the old Soviet Union and not Russia, but let's get back on topic. I see BLM as a place for anti-white attitudes to collect and get fanned to flames. I see how it does far more harm to the nation than good.

But it is certainly not officially "anti-white". Did you visit their website and go through it all?

Secondly, we well know that there's a problem with the issue of "police brutality" even though it's undoubtedly involving only a very small fraction of total police forces nationwide. Is that to be ignored? Is complaining both legally and publicly off-limits?

What if it's anti-police brutality committed by a small element of blacks against police? Is that off-limits as well because it may be "divisive"? Not in my book.

Therefore, how is it that BLM is "divisive" but protesting against police getting killed by some blacks isn't?

 

[George-ananda]

Though I appreciate what you are trying to do here and expose, it should be noted that the comments below the video on the page you have linked to are very deeply, deeply offensive - and that's coming from an angry white 1%-er Neocon.... I'd remove the link from your OP so no one else has to see this garbage.

I don't think I agree that he should remove the video because of some extremist comments below it. If you can't take extremist comments of all types without getting personally upset, then you better not probe too far on the internet. The comments were in the background and that happens.

 

[George-ananda]

But it is certainly not officially "anti-white". Did you visit their website and go through it all?

Yes, I am aware of all that.

Secondly, we well know that there's a problem with the issue of "police brutality" even though it's undoubtedly involving only a very small fraction of total police forces nationwide. Is that to be ignored? Is complaining both legally and publicly off-limits?

What if it's anti-police brutality committed by a small element of blacks against police? Is that off-limits as well because it may be "divisive"? Not in my book.

Therefore, how is it that BLM is "divisive" but protesting against police getting killed by some blacks isn't?

By its name alone, BLM was destined to fan and flame anti-white and anti-black emotions in this country. You don't see that? And the situation in 2016 America is not so dire that this is necessary or constructive.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't think I agree that he should remove the video because of some extremist comments below it. If you can't take extremist comments of all types without getting personally upset, then you better not probe too far on the internet. The comments were in the background and that happens.

I live in Canada, George and here we have hate speech laws which I fully support.

 

[George-ananda]

I live in Canada, George and here we have hate speech laws which I fully support.

So would you have that commenter arrested? I think I prefer falling on the side of freedom of speech. One even has a right to even express hate. And the other person has the right to ignore.

 

[YmirGF]

So would you have that commenter arrested? I think I prefer falling on the side of freedom of speech. One even has a right to even express hate. And the other person has the right to ignore.

I would not be against them being detained and questioned. Their possible arrest would be solely up to them. If they continued to spew their drivel in front of officers, sure. Arrest them. Even in your country one is not allowed to scream "Fire" in a crowded theater, so even your much vaunted free speech has limits.

 

[columbus]

I live in Canada, George and here we have hate speech laws which I fully support.

We don't and I fully support that.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I wonder what the context of her instruction was. Perhaps there was method to her request. Or perhaps not. I gather none of us were there, and there's really not much to go on from the video.

Also, I'm curious, did all the people of mixed heritage go in the middle?

http://www.bet.com/news/national/20...this--blm-organizer-telling-white-people.html

I can understand what her possible intentions are. She's probably coming from the perspective of wanting black people to own the narrative of the movement and to be at the forefront of a movement highlighting an issue for black people. I don't agree with her tactics here, though, although I do think minorities should own their own narratives in the media (i.e. putting more weight into what what the affected minorities have to say about it and not letting them be drowned out by the status quo). Basically, have a good amount of space for minority voices. We should be inclusive, however.

 

[columbus]

I can understand what her possible intentions are.

Here is the thing. I'm not sure what her intentions were. It is easy to make assumptions based on a preconceived narrative when you only have a few seconds of video to go on.

Maybe what happened was:
She found twenty some media teams fighting for advantageous positions. The biggest ones brought some muscle to help. The smaller ones were getting crowded out. If the biggest ones were dominated by white staff, and the smaller ones by black, she may have decided that the smaller ones were more friendly and also getting pushed aside by the less friendly ones.
If that were the case, then all that happened was she used a poor choice of words. Not good, but not exactly virulent racism either.
This sort of thing is why I don't put much stock in tiny little video clips. It is too easy to totally misrepresent the reality.
Tom

 

[jeager106]

I want paid. Society OWES ME!
My white immigrant grand father was a coal mine slave.
Pinkerton men shot those that tried to unionize and burned homes of others.
Grand dad spoke of going to work in the mines with Pinkerton men threatening
them with machine guns.
The were paid in company script good only at company owned stores that charged
double prices on food and goods.
I'm the grandson of a slave! Gimme, gimmie, gimmie, mo'!
I was a cop for 22.5 years disabled by a BLACK criminal that broke my back!
So do I hate him? Nope.
Don't even recall his face or name.
I took my disability, earned two degrees, got a job with G.M and retired again.
So eff 'em. Get off yer arses, get a job, an education, and join the rest of the
working world.
I ain't got nuttin' against race, religion, creed, .................but lazy????
Yeah! I got something against lazy.

Po' me. Po' me. Po' me. Boooooooooooooo whooooooooooooo.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Gimme, gimmie, gimmie, mo'!

lol

 

[Demonslayer]

Also, I'm curious, did all the people of mixed heritage go in the middle?

They sort by shade. Darkest skin up front, mocha in the middle, and see-through Irish guys like myself way, way at the back.