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Who Are the Hardcore Trump Supporters?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
There are a lot of notions about who are Trump's hardcore supporters, and what they see in him. I myself have tended to see his core support as predominantly middle and working class white males who feel the Democrats have abandoned them to head off into the wild, blue yonder of identity politics and intersectionality.

That has seemed a safe bet for me because the people I personally know who voted for Trump have been folks that fit that description, and who voted for him because he was the candidate that most addressed their wallets.

But when I think about it, I'm inclined to that view mainly because I believe the Democrats need to return to their ancient core message of economic prosperity for the middle and working classes. To me, it's the only way they can win, on all levels of government going forward.

However, another idea has occurred to me -- one I should have thought of long ago, because it seems to me it might have some decent odds of being true. That's the notion that Trump's hardest of his hardcore supporters are what psychologists call, "authoritarian followers".

Following World War II, a group of psychologists naturally began studying the psychology of dictators such as Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin. But after a bit of that had been done, a second group of psychologists thought the more interesting subject would be to study the people who followed the dictators.

They rejected the notion of some experiments of the time (which have since been called into serious question) that those people were like everyone else. Instead, they decided to seriously consider the possibility that they formed a distinct psychological group unto themselves.

One of the earliest psychologists to go to work on the subject was Robert Altemeyer. Altemeyer, along with others, found some disturbing characteristics that people who enthusiastically follow dictators seem to have in common. Altemeyer also wrote a short, easy to read, ebook on the subject that's he's made available for free online.

Chapter Three of his book deals with "How Authoritarian Followers Think":

The key to the puzzle [of how authoritarian followers think] springs from Chapter 2's observation that, first and foremost, followers have mainly copied the beliefs of the authorities in their lives. They have not developed and thought through their ideas as much as most people have. Thus almost anything can be found in their heads if their authorities put it there, even stuff that contradicts other stuff. A filing cabinet or a computer can store quite inconsistent notions and never lose a minute of sleep over their contradiction. Similarly [an authoritarian follower] can have all sorts of illogical, self-contradictory, and widely refuted ideas rattling around in various boxes in his brain, and never notice it.​

Altemeyer is not offering his mere opinions here. Everything he says is based on decades of research. He goes on:

So can everybody, of course, and my wife loves to catch inconsistencies in my reasoning when we’re having a friendly discussion about one of my personal failures. But research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. These seven deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking eminently qualify them to follow a would-be dictator.​

Altemeyer backs up his statements with footnote after footnote citing and explaining the science in support of his points.

I would urge anyone interested in the mystery of who Trump's hardcore supporters are, where they come from (what shapes them), how they think, and what they want, to read his short ebook. It can be found here:

The Authoritarians.

One note: He wrote the book back when Bush was in office, so the examples are not current, but the science still stands, so far as I know.

If you do read the book, then does it make sense to you that authoritarian followers might be Trump's hardcore supporters? That's a serious question to me because I honestly don't know of any science that supports the notion Trump's hardcore followers are overwhelming authoritarian followers -- but nor do I know of any science that disconfirms the notion.

Comments? Questions? Sly and wicked distortions of what I said? Deeply meaningful tales of love for one's dental braces?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Do you say this from personal experience?
YUP, I sure am. All those who register as Hardcore Trump Supporters are required to enclose a recent identifying photo of themselves--- Helps to deter those fake-news reporters from infiltrating Trump bund meetings. I got a hold of the photos by pretending to be a Trump Acolyte by offering up the requisite "25-provable-Trump-lies" at the entrance test to the photo vault.

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Skwim

Veteran Member
Does it occur to you that belittling and dehumanising your ideological opponents like this is exactly the behaviour you condemn them for?
Never having condemned them for this exact behavior, NO. And why do you say this belittles or dehumanizes my ideological opponents?


Why do they look happier than you "sound", Skwim?
I'm guessing: Ignorance is bliss.

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idav

Being
Premium Member
There are a lot of notions about who are Trump's hardcore supporters, and what they see in him. I myself have tended to see his core support as predominantly middle and working class white males who feel the Democrats have abandoned them to head off into the wild, blue yonder of identity politics and intersectionality.

That has seemed a safe bet for me because the people I personally know who voted for Trump have been folks that fit that description, and who voted for him because he was the candidate that most addressed their wallets.

But when I think about it, I'm inclined to that view mainly because I believe the Democrats need to return to their ancient core message of economic prosperity for the middle and working classes. To me, it's the only way they can win, on all levels of government going forward.

However, another idea has occurred to me -- one I should have thought of long ago, because it seems to me it might have some decent odds of being true. That's the notion that Trump's hardest of his hardcore supporters are what psychologists call, "authoritarian followers".

Following World War II, a group of psychologists naturally began studying the psychology of dictators such as Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin. But after a bit of that had been done, a second group of psychologists thought the more interesting subject would be to study the people who followed the dictators.

They rejected the notion of some experiments of the time (which have since been called into serious question) that those people were like everyone else. Instead, they decided to seriously consider the possibility that they formed a distinct psychological group unto themselves.

One of the earliest psychologists to go to work on the subject was Robert Altemeyer. Altemeyer, along with others, found some disturbing characteristics that people who enthusiastically follow dictators seem to have in common. Altemeyer also wrote a short, easy to read, ebook on the subject that's he's made available for free online.

Chapter Three of his book deals with "How Authoritarian Followers Think":
The key to the puzzle [of how authoritarian followers think] springs from Chapter 2's observation that, first and foremost, followers have mainly copied the beliefs of the authorities in their lives. They have not developed and thought through their ideas as much as most people have. Thus almost anything can be found in their heads if their authorities put it there, even stuff that contradicts other stuff. A filing cabinet or a computer can store quite inconsistent notions and never lose a minute of sleep over their contradiction. Similarly [an authoritarian follower] can have all sorts of illogical, self-contradictory, and widely refuted ideas rattling around in various boxes in his brain, and never notice it.​

Altemeyer is not offering his mere opinions here. Everything he says is based on decades of research. He goes on:

So can everybody, of course, and my wife loves to catch inconsistencies in my reasoning when we’re having a friendly discussion about one of my personal failures. But research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. These seven deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking eminently qualify them to follow a would-be dictator.​

Altemeyer backs up his statements with footnote after footnote citing and explaining the science in support of his points.

I would urge anyone interested in the mystery of who Trump's hardcore supporters are, where they come from (what shapes them), how they think, and what they want, to read his short ebook. It can be found here:

The Authoritarians.

One note: He wrote the book back when Bush was in office, so the examples are not current, but the science still stands, so far as I know.

If you do read the book, then does it make sense to you that authoritarian followers might be Trump's hardcore supporters? That's a serious question to me because I honestly don't know of any science that supports the notion Trump's hardcore followers are overwhelming authoritarian followers -- but nor do I know of any science that disconfirms the notion.

Comments? Questions? Sly and wicked distortions of what I said? Deeply meaningful tales of love for one's dental braces?
This is what I think of die hard Trump supporters, especially those hoping it’s the end times.
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BTW across all race and gender typically people with college educations did not vote for Trump. I think the less skeptical were definitely susceptible to the myriad of misinformation that was the presidential election.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This is what I think of die hard Trump supporters, especially those hoping it’s the end times.
7e98f959e1259c4249b2cdda581412c5.jpg

BTW across all race and gender typically people with college educations did not vote for Trump. I think the less skeptical were definitely susceptible to the myriad of misinformation that was the presidential election.
I think that clip is truer than we realize. A lot of people view politics as a ponderous and slow process where many people get hurt propping up a system of injustice with a lot of power in the hands of elitite families. And they're not wrong.
The problem is some people don't care that Trump is incredibly corrupt, false and self-serving, they just want to see the old system burn. So any change is good change.
 

Mox

Dr Green Fingers
I have watched Trump's ascension to power with ever increasing horror and alarm. However I believe Trump is merely a symptom of a much more serious problem, rooted deeply in America and indeed in other western nations.

Trump is a fascist president, he uses the same method of denial, blame shifting and irrational blather as totalitarians have done throughout the ages when defending their actions. He like all fascists, demonises the victims of his racist hateful ideology.

So his supporters, in general I think, are simply ignorant and frightened, they fear crime and terrorism, they fear that their american values and way of life are under threat, threatened by 'rapist' refugees and migrants, 'violent' muslims, 'evil' atheists, all the way to illuminati reptillian shapeshifters who run the world's governments.

They may have legitimate concerns about their nation's immigration policies or crime and disorder or government corruption and income disparity.

However, they are entirely betting on the wrong horse with sociopathic moron, Donald Trump.

They would be better served addressing their economic refugee problem by looking closely at the trade relationships the US has with nations like Guatemala or Panama. Looking at why these people are so poor and desperate to flee their home nations in meso and S America.

I am in social media contact with Red Letter Christians in the US, and they are stepping up out of the evangelical community along with Pentecostals and others, to voice their opposition not just to Trumps presidency, but to the distorted religious narrative or message coming from the American evangelical right, which I agree, does not reflect christian moral and ethical values as taught by christ and his disciples.
Having more in common in fact with the average tinpot dictator's political manifesto.
 
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When I think what a Rump supporter is like I imagine someone unintelligent, proud, arrogant, poorly educated and rased who does nothing useful with/in his life.:shrug:
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Does it occur to you that belittling and dehumanising your ideological opponents like this is exactly the behaviour you condemn them for?
It's the similarity in way political activists and schoolyard bullies work. Small hands, weird hair, low income family, missing tooth, high income family, "wrong" race... but I don't think most people are ready to leave that level of discussion.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think a lot of hardcore Trump supporters are authoritarian followers, or right wing authoritarians. I think many others are just historically ignorant people unaware of the political machinations that led to the economic stagnation and their loss of status, prosperity and security over the past few decades.
Special interests encourage this ignorance and provide simplistic causes, scapegoats and solutions. Alternative viewpoints are entirely missing in many regions.
 

Mox

Dr Green Fingers
When I saw the video and listened to the audio of those children, some just wee bairns still at the breast, that the Trump admin had ordered to be seperated from their migrant parents. Kept in chain link fencing, then to be sent somewhere in the US with no definite way of reuniting them with their parents again. Thousands of them.

When I saw that I wanted to kill Donald Trump with my bare hands.

But it's cool....it's cool. I am all good....I am all good.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Mostly rural, middle class, blue-collar, white Christians. Folks whose ideology and worldview can be summed up with bumper stickers.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I believe that a high percentage of Trump supporters, particularly the more resilient ones that seem to be literally unable to fault him (despite his formidable insistence in showing faults) are indeed authoritarian followers.

However, it also seems to me that something even worse is happening and helping to raise his popularity. Many people seem to have simply given up on being rational towards politics. Trump's "MAGA" chant is transparent and poisonous garbage, but somehow it still appeals to many. That can only mean that much of the voter base is indeed dysfunctional as voters.
 
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