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Who Are the Hardcore Trump Supporters?

Mox

Dr Green Fingers
And no, i can't imagine them a woman. Ew

Astonishingly, he does have female supporters. Despite his own self confessed rampant misogyny and quite likely, a history of sexual offences perpetrated against young women.

Some women apparently can ignore that or even blame his victims on his behalf. If it suits their agreement with him on issues like immigration and foreign policy.

Trump's die hard fans will permit any excess of the president, even the policy of seperating migrant children from their parents, without just cause, with total indifference to human suffering, against the noble principles of the US constitution itself. If it serves them to do so.

However, by using the tools of terror, to wage a war on vulnerable people, whose only crime is to be desperate and wanting a better life for their children, then Trump and his supporters have sided with EVIL and have declared war on freedom and democracy and respect for human dignity.


I am done now. Hehe.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
There are a lot of notions about who are Trump's hardcore supporters, and what they see in him. I myself have tended to see his core support as predominantly middle and working class white males who feel the Democrats have abandoned them to head off into the wild, blue yonder of identity politics and intersectionality.

My opinion of a hard core Trump supporter

Close Minded
Extreme hatred of a large group or organization like (immigrants, Blacks, Government, Corporations) bonded by hatred not group.
Believes current world order is wrong
Apocalyptic beliefs because of hated group and current world order
Wants radical change now to prevent apocalypse

This is the hard core supporter the ones that will allow Trump to actually shoot people in the street but his regular supports have at least one of these beliefs but can be won over by core values like family.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I believe that a high percentage of Trump supporters, particularly the more resilient ones that seem to be literally unable to fault him (despite his formidable insistence in showing faults) are indeed authoritarian followers.

However, it also seems to me that something even worse is happening and helping to raise his popularity. Many people seem to have simply given up on being rational towards politics. Trump's "MAGA" chant is transparent and poisonous garbage, but somehow it still appeals to many. That can only mean that much of the voter base is indeed dysfunctional as voters.
To many, political affilition is no more rational than a sporting affiliation. These people don't care about issues, they just care that they're "side" is "winning" and that the other "side" is "losing".

Of course, a lack of widespread critical thinking and evidence based practice training in education doesn't help, either. There are a lot of people out there who fall easy prey to the manipulation of cognitive bias, through no fault of their own.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Let's remember this is personal. Those who continue to support Trump are personally invested. Why? Because they are angry. They are angry that the principles they hold are beginning to erode. Manufacturing is being replaced by tech and outsourced by billionaires on wall street.

But you can't yell at Wall Street on Twitter.
You can't call a CEO a libtard on a forum.
You can't boycott Apple, Amazon, Microsoft.
You can't tell Bezos and company to go pound sand.

The common enemy we all have is a protected class and unlike other political ideologies who seek to undermine that class, the conservatives who continue to support Trump seek to go after the lower hanging fruit. Never mind that fruit isn't the right fruit, that doesn't matter. It simply offers an outlet for that anger and frustration we talked about before.

I can hardly blame these folks, really. If your entire life was in blue collar work and all of a sudden that blue collar work went somewhere, you would be upset, too, right? The problem is the Republican machine that financially benefited from those jobs going somewhere else began a narrative that painted the opposing party as the bad guys instead. Now all of a sudden you have a bunch of under employed, vulnerable people who are looking for answers. They have been told it is the fault of the poor/women/gays/immigrants. When in reality it is the elite that continues to bend them (and everyone else) over a barrel.

It isn't entirely their fault. This propaganda machine is good... it's scary how good it is. The very same voters who tend to vote red are the same folks who would benefit the most from the social/financial equality initiatives being talked about. But remember those are the blues! They are the bad guys, screw them, right? After all, the leadership is telling us that is the case so it must be true!

I am not saying other political parties are amazing. But what I am saying is that I can't remember other forms of American leadership stepping around the Constitution to the cheers of the masses. I can't remember a time when other forms of American leadership created a hate campaign against transgender individuals over a bathroom.

But that is where we are. Those are the hot spots that are being created by a large collection of people who would rather "stick it to em" than seek a solution. Detaining those poor kids will not impact one.single.Trump.supporter. Not one. But that doesn't matter, does it? It never mattered. What matters is that the propaganda machine said those people with brown skin are the enemy. THEY took your jobs, remember? THEY brought in drugs, remember? (Never mind the fact the reason drugs are even an issue is because upper class white people want those drugs but, again, being angry at Hispanics is easier.)

What makes this so damn frustrating is all of us common folk have a common enemy. But we would rather build a billion dollar wall, incarcerate toddlers, and patrol bathrooms.

Welcome to America. Enjoy your stay.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Let's remember this is personal. Those who continue to support Trump are personally invested. Why? Because they are angry. They are angry that the principles they hold are beginning to erode. Manufacturing is being replaced by tech and outsourced by billionaires on wall street.
This seems to be erecting a straw man to rail at.
It doesn't foster any productive discussion, just echoes in the chamber.
Why not find an actual Trump supporter, & argue the issues?
Would you tolerate painting a similarly dissful stereotype of a Hillary voter?

(Weird....spell checker likes "dissful". I thought I just invented it.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think a lot of hardcore Trump supporters are authoritarian followers, or right wing authoritarians.
When I evaluated Trump v Hillary, she looked more the authoritarian than did he.
She wanted bigger government & more regulation (both civil & economic).
I remember the health care proposal she advocated during the "unprecedented
co-presidency" (their description), which made any private alternative illegal.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
This seems to be erecting a straw man to rail at.
It doesn't foster any productive discussion, just echoes in the chamber.
Why not find an actual Trump supporter, & argue the issues?
Would you tolerate painting a similarly dissful stereotype of a Hillary voter?
Absolutely! But that isn't the OP in this case. Both have their stereotypes and they can both be just as comical. The difference is the lime light is not on Hillary. It is on the acts of the current administration, that I find detestable, and the actions of those who support those acts. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Absolutely! But that isn't the OP in this case. Both have their stereotypes and they can both be just as comical. The difference is the lime light is not on Hillary. It is on the acts of the current administration, that I find detestable, and the actions of those who support those acts. Nothing more, nothing less.
But your descriptions of Trump supporters is invented to serve dissing them.
But the question remains...
Would you be OK with describing a Hillary voter in purposely negative stereotype?
Uncomfortable though this be, the relevance is addressing a double standard.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Would you be OK with describing a Hillary voter in purposely negative stereotype?
Important detail. I did not make that post to oust Trump voters. I made that post to oust active Trump supporters who proactively support the platforms I mentioned. A subtle but important difference.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Important detail. I did not make that post to oust Trump voters. I made that post to oust active Trump supporters who proactively support the platforms I mentioned. A subtle but important difference.
OK.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, what of active Hillary
supporters, ie, those who still want her to have won?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
This seems to be erecting a straw man to rail at.
It doesn't foster any productive discussion, just echoes in the chamber.
Why not find an actual Trump supporter, & argue the issues?
Would you tolerate painting a similarly dissful stereotype of a Hillary voter?

(Weird....spell checker likes "dissful". I thought I just invented it.)
It had been a while since the latest false equivalence...
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
OK.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, what of active Hillary
supporters, ie, those who still want her to have won?
That is tough. Because I think it is unfair to compare what we THINK Hillary could have been vs Trump now. Does that make sense? In other words, it would much easier to poke fun at Hillary voters when the election was booming than it would be to compare a hypothetical Hillary to reality Trump.
 
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