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Who are the real Children of Israel?

rosends

Well-Known Member
1. Where does any verse that I posted say that anybody was “completely wiped out”?
Verse 48. Or, as your translation has it "until he have destroyed thee". If that isn't literal then why do you expect all the other threats to be literal? You want this one not to be literal but yokes of iron to be literal. That's called "being inconsistent" and inconsistency is actually OK as long as you have some sort of authoritative or validatable system to explain why in one case you demand literalness and in another case you don't. I have yet to see any system in place other than your preferences.

2. Deuteronomy 28:68 — when in documented history have your people ever been taken anywhere on ships to be sold?
In 73CE, but that isn't the problem. If you read 68, you will see the phrase "but there will be no buyer" (or, "and no man shall buy you" in your translation)! So are you saying that blacks were offered for sale but NO ONE bought them, as per the verse?
3. Deuteronomy 28:48 — when have your people ever had yokes of iron put upon their necks by their enemies?
The Jerusalem Talmud (tractate Shabbat) deals with this. But if you want it to be literal then you have to contend with the final phrase about absolute destruction.
4. Deuteronomy 28:29, Deuteronomy 28:33 — are your people “forever oppressed”?
In a sense, yes, we are still the subject of constant persecution.

so you have yet to show any particular fact.
Regarding the DNA — I simply stated that ancient Israelite DNA has never been sequenced, yet “jews” claim that they are the descendants of the biblical Israelites, and whenever a test is done to determine “jewish” descent, they are not using ancient Israelite DNA. Do you see the deception in that?
Actually, what you said was "The lying people claiming to be jews use their own DNA as a reference point whenever running “DNA tests” to see if somebody is a jew or not." And that's not true. Jews don't use DNA to test for Jewishness, using ANY DNA. I gave a link which explained. Are you confused about what you said? Are you denying having made this claim?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
There have been a variety of communities which have claimed to be from the 10 tribes (groups in China, Africa and India come to mind). Some have adhered to something resembling Jewish laws and traditions more closely than others. BTW, I'm not talking about Jewish communities in China or Ireland that can trace themselves to "regular" Jews, but to isolated groups which claim to be from the lost tribes. Example -- Bnei Menashe - Wikipedia

Ok, So what does the bible say who they are, that's one good place to start at.

Even in the Tanaka will tell that much.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
They migrated to the “middle east” after mass converting in the early centuries... that’s why it says “emigrants”.

There is also proof in the bible that ashkenazi people are not semitic.

“Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
The sons of JAPHETH; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
By these were the isles of the GENTILES divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.” [Genesis 10:1-5]
All this shows is that you don't understand where the word "Ashkenazi" comes from and your translation doesn't know Hebrew words. If this is your claim, then it is sorely lacking. Ashkenaz is a name for the country of Germany. It is used to refer to large groups of Jews in the same way Sephardi refers to a large group even though Sefarad is just a Hebrew name for Spain.

And Gen 10:5 doesn't say "Gentiles" -- it says "nations." The word "goyim", nations, refers to a variety of different groups -- sometimes Jews, sometimes, non-Jews.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
Verse 48. Or, as your translation has it "until he have destroyed thee". If that isn't literal then why do you expect all the other threats to be literal? You want this one not to be literal but yokes of iron to be literal. That's called "being inconsistent" and inconsistency is actually OK as long as you have some sort of authoritative or validatable system to explain why in one case you demand literalness and in another case you don't. I have yet to see any system in place other than your preferences.


In 73CE, but that isn't the problem. If you read 68, you will see the phrase "but there will be no buyer" (or, "and no man shall buy you" in your translation)! So are you saying that blacks were offered for sale but NO ONE bought them, as per the verse?

The Jerusalem Talmud (tractate Shabbat) deals with this. But if you want it to be literal then you have to contend with the final phrase about absolute destruction.

In a sense, yes, we are still the subject of constant persecution.

so you have yet to show any particular fact.

Actually, what you said was "The lying people claiming to be jews use their own DNA as a reference point whenever running “DNA tests” to see if somebody is a jew or not." And that's not true. Jews don't use DNA to test for Jewishness, using ANY DNA. I gave a link which explained. Are you confused about what you said? Are you denying having made this claim?

1. Well according to your logic then, all of the jews were destroyed by yokes of iron, and none of us are jews.

2. I know what happened in 73 CE — I need you to prove that it was YOUR people on those ships. Where in documented history have eastern european descended jews ever been taken anywhere on ships? We all know that negroes were taken on ships, this is a well known fact in history. But I guess we should just take your word for it when you say that that was your people in 70 CE, because you think you are a jew and whatever you say goes and is automatically a fact.

3. The talmud is NOT God’s word, it was written by man. The bible says NOT to mix any other books with it. I can quote Dr. Seuss all day long but none of his material has anything to do with God, and is all fiction.

4. I am not taking back what I said, “jewish” people DO use DNA testing to determine jewness.

'WHO IS A JEW?' CAN NOW BE ANSWERED BY GENETIC TESTING — 10/03/2017

'Who is a Jew?' can now be answered by genetic testing

^^^^^ what do you call that? LOL. You are literally grasping for any and every straw that you can see. I understand that the truth hurts but you are going to have to accept it sooner or later.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
Ok, So what does the bible say who they are, that's one good place to start at.

Even in the Tanaka will tell that much.

You are ABSOLUTELY correct. The torah DOES say who they are, or at least how to identify them in Deuteronomy 28:15-68 by looking at the prophetic curses. Notice how these so-called “jews” try to lie their way out of everything? If you are a descendant of the biblical Israelites then you should easily be able to match yourself up with Israelite prophecy. Why do they keep running away from it? Hmmmm....

“Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
And they shall be upon thee for a SIGN and for a wonder, and upon thy seed FOR EVER.” [Deuteronomy 28:45-46]
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You are ABSOLUTELY correct. The torah DOES say who they are, or at least how to identify them in Deuteronomy 28:15-68 by looking at the prophetic curses. Notice how these so-called “jews” try to lie their way out of everything? If you are a descendant of the biblical Israelites then you should easily be able to match yourself up with Israelite prophecy. Why do they keep running away from it? Hmmmm....

“Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
And they shall be upon thee for a SIGN and for a wonder, and upon thy seed FOR EVER.” [Deuteronomy 28:45-46]

Nope that's not it, Try reading the book of
Genesis.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
1. Well according to your logic then, all of the jews were destroyed by yokes of iron, and none of us are jews.
Actually, not. By my logic, the curses are metaphorical. Therefore, I don't worry about literal yokes. You are trying to have it both ways -- literal in one verse, metaphorical in another.
2. I know what happened in 73 CE — I need you to prove that it was YOUR people on those ships.
No, I don't. You have to prove that it wasn't. The texts about the Jews as documented by the talmud and historians like Josephus don't seem to differentiate between the biblical construct of Jews and the ones whose temple was destroyed twice.
Where in documented history have eastern european descended jews ever been taken anywhere on ships?
In 73CE the Jews weren't in Europe yet. You are imposing your own timeline conception on it.
We all know that negroes were taken on ships,
To Egypt in a way that God said he wouldn't take them again? When was that?
3. The talmud is NOT God’s word, it was written by man. The bible says NOT to mix any other books with it. I can quote Dr. Seuss all day long but none of his material has anything to do with God, and is all fiction.
Gosh, I've been saying the same thing about the gospels and yet you keep citing Luke and Revelations.
4. I am not taking back what I said, “jewish” people DO use DNA testing to determine jewness.

'WHO IS A JEW?' CAN NOW BE ANSWERED BY GENETIC TESTING — 10/03/2017

'Who is a Jew?' can now be answered by genetic testing

^^^^^ what do you call that? LOL. You are literally grasping for any and every straw that you can see. I understand that the truth hurts but you are going to have to accept it sooner or later.
Did you even read the article?
"Carmel says that because the test relates very specifically to one group of people descended from four individuals, it cannot be abused in the future as a prerequisite for determining Jewish status.

“There would be no point at all in trying to search for a Jewish gene because it doesn’t exist,” he said in response to the question of whether other genetic tests could be sought for Jewish status affirmation in the future."

In a limited situation, to confirm a particular lineage (not comparing to an ancient DNA which doesn't exist) DNA can be used. Of course, if you believe those scientists, then they have a particular and historical mitochondrial marker which traces to 4 Jewish women fro a long time ago and your Khazar theory goes bye bye. But, as expected, you don't understand how Jewish law works. Here, ask a rabbi DNA Testing | Ask the Rabbi - Yeshiva.org.il
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Where in Genesis are the Israelites identified?

Ok, you can look it up in either the bible or the Tanaka.
When God spoke to Abraham, God made a promise to Abraham, that Abraham would be the father of great nation's.

Well we know it couldn't be China, for no one in Israel looks like China. So that illuminates China.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
Actually, not. By my logic, the curses are metaphorical. Therefore, I don't worry about literal yokes. You are trying to have it both ways -- literal in one verse, metaphorical in another.

No, I don't. You have to prove that it wasn't. The texts about the Jews as documented by the talmud and historians like Josephus don't seem to differentiate between the biblical construct of Jews and the ones whose temple was destroyed twice.

In 73CE the Jews weren't in Europe yet. You are imposing your own timeline conception on it.

To Egypt in a way that God said he wouldn't take them again? When was that?

Gosh, I've been saying the same thing about the gospels and yet you keep citing Luke and Revelations.

Did you even read the article?
"Carmel says that because the test relates very specifically to one group of people descended from four individuals, it cannot be abused in the future as a prerequisite for determining Jewish status.

“There would be no point at all in trying to search for a Jewish gene because it doesn’t exist,” he said in response to the question of whether other genetic tests could be sought for Jewish status affirmation in the future."

In a limited situation, to confirm a particular lineage (not comparing to an ancient DNA which doesn't exist) DNA can be used. Of course, if you believe those scientists, then they have a particular and historical mitochondrial marker which traces to 4 Jewish women fro a long time ago and your Khazar theory goes bye bye. But, as expected, you don't understand how Jewish law works. Here, ask a rabbi DNA Testing | Ask the Rabbi - Yeshiva.org.il

1. Deuteronomy 28:48 is saying that they would have yokes of iron placed around their necks until they were destroyed. In slavery? Negroes wore literally worked to death. Now where are you getting this silly idea that it is somehow saying that all of the Israelites “will be completely wiped out”? I’m still waiting for you to point that out. Seems to me like you just want to distort the meaning of the scripture and cause confusion because you KNOW that it does not relate to your or your ancestors. You people are not forever oppressed (Deuteronomy 28:29, Deuteronomy 28:33), and you don’t match ANY of the other curses for the matter, and you never have.

2. Oh, so I was right. You think you are jew so you don’t have to prove anything. Anything that you state is a fact automatically because you think you are a jew and because you said so. Lmao. Also, the talmud is not credible. Only YOUR people read the talmud it is not divinely inspired, and it has a whole bunch of other evil things written in that have nothing to do with God or the bible.

3. When God says “Egypt” he means BONDAGE. Egypt means BONDAGE (Deuteronomy 5:6, Exodus 20:2). And on top of that, like I have asked multiple times, WHEN in DOCUMENTED history have your ancestors ever been taken ANYWHERE on ships as captives? ANYWHERE? Please show me. You can’t. You just keep babbling about the talmud.

4. I don’t need to understand how “jewish” law works to see that your people use “DNA testing” to determine “jewish ancestry”. You lie and twist facts so much, I feel like I am arguing with a child who is trying to lie and tell me that they did not steal from the cookie jar when their mouth is covered in cookie crumbs.

You have very little understanding of scripture, you deny facts that are given to you and then when you are asked to provide facts to support your assertions you refuse to and you act as if whatever you say is a fact. LOL.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
Ok, you can look it up in either the bible or the Tanaka.
When God spoke to Abraham, God made a promise to Abraham, that Abraham would be the father of great nation's.

Well we know it couldn't be China, for no one in Israel looks like China. So that illuminates China.

Don’t tell me you’re one of those people who think that europeans are Israelites LOL. Yes abraham was the father of many great nations but you cannot take just that one verse from the book of GENESIS and ignore everything else. Europeans came from europe, not Israel. In fact, it was europeans who overthrew the Israelites and conquered them during the last siege. You can’t have it both ways. Let’s be realistic.

The curses of deuteronomy 28:15-68 clearly say that the prophetic curses are a way to identify who the descendants of the biblical Israelites are.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
1. Deuteronomy 28:48 is saying that they would have yokes of iron placed around their necks until they were destroyed.
So they were wiped out and no longer exist. Got it. Well argued.
Negroes wore literally worked to death.
As were Jews.
Now where are you getting this silly idea that it is somehow saying that all of the Israelites “will be completely wiped out”?
I'm not -- you are by expecting the verses to be literal unless you are admitting to being selective in the literal. You have yet to deal with this.
You people are not forever oppressed (Deuteronomy 28:29, Deuteronomy 28:33), and you don’t match ANY of the other curses for the matter, and you never have.
Sadly, we are, and you might want to research Agrippa II as he relates to verse 36. Vespasian and Titus relate to verse 49.

Also, the talmud is not credible. Only YOUR people read the talmud it is not divinely inspired, and it has a whole bunch of other evil things written in that have nothing to do with God or the bible.
No, you are speaking of the gospels. But I guess you don't have to prove that -- you can just make the empty claim that Luke or Revelations is something more than fiction.

When God says “Egypt” he means BONDAGE.
Wait -- is the word "Egypt" to be understood metaphorically?
Egypt means BONDAGE (Deuteronomy 5:6, Exodus 20:2).
What? Because Egypt is called something, it MEANS that? Does Jacob MEAN "simple man"? The text does the same thing, listing a name and a description. You confuse describing with identity. Your life must be very confusing.

And on top of that, like I have asked multiple times, WHEN in DOCUMENTED history have your ancestors ever been taken ANYWHERE on ships as captives?
Wait, why don't you just say that "ships" is metaphorical? Oh wait, here it is literal? You are being inconsistent again.
I don’t need to understand how “jewish” law works to see that your people use “DNA testing” to determine “jewish ancestry”.
Sure you do, so you can understand the difference between a news article and an actual theological practice. But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance.

Do you have any other mistakes you'd like to make in public?
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
So they were wiped out and no longer exist. Got it. Well argued.

As were Jews.

I'm not -- you are by expecting the verses to be literal unless you are admitting to being selective in the literal. You have yet to deal with this.

Sadly, we are, and you might want to research Agrippa II as he relates to verse 36. Vespasian and Titus relate to verse 49.


No, you are speaking of the gospels. But I guess you don't have to prove that -- you can just make the empty claim that Luke or Revelations is something more than fiction.


Wait -- is the word "Egypt" to be understood metaphorically?

What? Because Egypt is called something, it MEANS that? Does Jacob MEAN "simple man"? The text does the same thing, listing a name and a description. You confuse describing with identity. Your life must be very confusing.


Wait, why don't you just say that "ships" is metaphorical? Oh wait, here it is literal? You are being inconsistent again.

Sure you do, so you can understand the difference between a news article and an actual theological practice. But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance.

Do you have any other mistakes you'd like to make in public?

Regardless of what you say, the facts remain the same — your ancestors have never been taken anywhere on ships — REGARDLESS of what the actual destination was, your ancestors have never been enslaved by anybody, or had yokes of iron upon their necks, and you people are NOT oppressed — Israel is one of the wealthiest if not the wealthiest country on the planet. But the curses say that the true biblical Israelites would be oppressed forever, would not prosper in their ways, and would be discontinued from their heritage, and be forced to serve their enemies in UNKNOWN lands. (Jeremiah 17:4)

NONE of the above has ever happened to your people. I can stomp my feet and claim that my ancestors were samurais but as we all know, negroes were never samurais, according to FACTUAL history.

LMAO I pity you. You have fallen so hard that you refuse to use any logic. Look at your responses to each point that I raised. You are like a little child angry because you cannot have your way. You have abandoned all hope of using facts, rational thinking, etc. I know it hurts, but you have to get over it.

You don’t have to admit the truth personally because your OWN people and your OWN encyclopedias/sources all admit the truth and they have recorded who you people truly are. Like I said, the facts are all against you, and I pity you.

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“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”
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"White House Memo Of 1969 Under Nixon Called The Igbo Jews Of West Africa"


White House Memo Of 1969 Under Nixon Called The Igbo Jews Of West Africa


In a White House memo dated Tuesday, January 28, 1969, to President Nixon, former Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger describes the Igbos as "the wandering Jews of West Africa-gifted, aggressive, westernized, at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by their neighbors in the federation." (foreign relations document, volume E-5, documents on Africa 1969-1972).


Here is a photo of the text from the actual memo:


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Here is a web link to the actual memo:


Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume E–5, Part 1, Documents on Sub-Saharan Africa, 1969–1972 - Office of the Historian
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This map was created in 1747 by English cartographer Emmanuel Bowen as part of a collection. He was a renowned map maker with a reputation for being accurate. Here on his map of Negroland (Africa), he notes “The Kingdom of Juda” as the “The Slave Coast”.

This proves that christian colonizers knew they were enslaving the sons of Jacob.

Shown below, the Kingdom of Juda (or Whidah) can be clearly seen in the area named the "Slave Coast" where the Portuguese first set up their slave port in 1580.

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The twenty eighth chapter of Deuteronomy verses 15 - 68 details the plight of the people of Yah after fleeing Jerusalem, and fifteen centries later being caught up in the transatlantic slave trade.

On today's modern maps the place is called Ouidah, which means Whydah or Judah.

Full size version of map:

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The reason Judah fled into Africa was to escape invading armies. Their enslavement by people in slave ships was a fulfillment of the following prophecy:

“Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia: That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled!” [Isaiah 18:1-2]

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/image...25f4a6cc6b93a5193020350bdd3b23283f24e457c.gif
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Regardless of what you say, the facts remain the same — your ancestors have never been taken anywhere on ships — REGARDLESS of what the actual destination was, your ancestors have never been enslaved by anybody, or had yokes of iron upon their necks, and you people are NOT oppressed — Israel is one of the wealthiest if not the wealthiest country on the planet. But the curses say that the true biblical Israelites would be oppressed forever, would not prosper in their ways, and would be discontinued from their heritage, and be forced to serve their enemies in UNKNOWN lands. (Jeremiah 17:4)
So you are ignoring everything I have shown. Here's some more light reading:

"After the Fall of the Second Temple (70 CE) Josephus reports:
# Because the soldiers were now growing weary of bloodshed, and survivors appeared constantly, Caesar orders to kill only those who offered armed resistance and to take alive all the rest. (415) The troops, in addition to those covered by their orders, slaughtered the aged and infirm; people to their prime who might be useful they herded into the Temple area and shut up in the Court of the Women (lcl. (416) Caesar appointed one of his freedmen as their guard, his friend Fronto, to decide the fate appropriate to each. (417) All those who had taken part in sedition and brigandage (they informed against other) he executed. He picked out the tallest and handsomest of the lot and reserved them for the Triumph (418). Of the rest, those who were over seventeen he put in chains and sent to hard labor in Egypt while greet numbers were presented by Titus to the provinces to perish in the theaters by sword or by wild beasts; those under seventeen were sold. #
Josephus, "The Jewish Wars"; Book vi 9:2.

After the Fall of Betar (135 CE)
Cassius (150-235 C.E.), a Roman historian, tells us,
"Few Jews remained alive, 50 of their strongest fortified cities and 985 of the best towns and villages were demolished; 580,000 died on the battlefield, besides countless others who perished of hunger and pestilence .. the entire land of Judea was almost transformed into a barren wasteland."

Munter -- Roman Historian
# Now that Betar had been captured, everything came under Human control, while Palestine [Judah] was reduced to a desolate mound. Captives were sold into slavery in numbers too great to count. First they were brought to the grand annual market at the Terebinth-Eloh tree in Hebron, or in the words of Hyranumous, to the Tent-Ohel of Abraham near Hebron. Each slave sold for the price of a horse. Those captives who were not sold there were brought to the market place in Azza [Gaza] which, because of the great multitudes of slaves who were sold there, was called Hadrian's market place. And those who were still not sold there were herded into ships and were taken to Egypt. Many died in transit, whether by starvation or by shipwreck, while many also were killed by cruel masters.
Munter, Primordia Eccl. Africanae, pp. 85f.,113.

The toll of the Bar Kochba uprising was devastating both on the population and on the places of habitation. The numbers of dead were awesome, while multitudes of Jews were taken captive to fill the slave markets near and far. The slave market of the Terebinth of Hebron was particuIarly famous as a center where Jewish slaves, sent into captivity by Hadrian were sold. So many Jewish slaves were available that, recording to one report, a Jew was sold for as little as the price of a portion of horse feed. #
History of Am Yisrael in Ancient Days (Hebrew, Devir), 1971, p.321.

#Innumerable was the multitude of those who were sold away as slaves. At the Annual market at Terehinth of Hebron they were offered fur sale in such numbers that a Jewish slave was of no more value then a horse. What could not be disposed of there was brought to Gaza and there sold or sent to Egypt, on the way to which many died of hunger, or of shipwreck. #
Emil Schurer, " A History of the Jewish People in the Time of Jesus Christ", Edinburgh, 1896, p.11."

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So historians argue with your statement. Now you have the problem of ignoring your logical flaws and being historically in the wrong.

But keep on arguing...remember, according to you it proves you know you are wrong.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
So you are ignoring everything I have shown. Here's some more light reading:

"After the Fall of the Second Temple (70 CE) Josephus reports:
# Because the soldiers were now growing weary of bloodshed, and survivors appeared constantly, Caesar orders to kill only those who offered armed resistance and to take alive all the rest. (415) The troops, in addition to those covered by their orders, slaughtered the aged and infirm; people to their prime who might be useful they herded into the Temple area and shut up in the Court of the Women (lcl. (416) Caesar appointed one of his freedmen as their guard, his friend Fronto, to decide the fate appropriate to each. (417) All those who had taken part in sedition and brigandage (they informed against other) he executed. He picked out the tallest and handsomest of the lot and reserved them for the Triumph (418). Of the rest, those who were over seventeen he put in chains and sent to hard labor in Egypt while greet numbers were presented by Titus to the provinces to perish in the theaters by sword or by wild beasts; those under seventeen were sold. #
Josephus, "The Jewish Wars"; Book vi 9:2.

After the Fall of Betar (135 CE)
Cassius (150-235 C.E.), a Roman historian, tells us,
"Few Jews remained alive, 50 of their strongest fortified cities and 985 of the best towns and villages were demolished; 580,000 died on the battlefield, besides countless others who perished of hunger and pestilence .. the entire land of Judea was almost transformed into a barren wasteland."

Munter -- Roman Historian
# Now that Betar had been captured, everything came under Human control, while Palestine [Judah] was reduced to a desolate mound. Captives were sold into slavery in numbers too great to count. First they were brought to the grand annual market at the Terebinth-Eloh tree in Hebron, or in the words of Hyranumous, to the Tent-Ohel of Abraham near Hebron. Each slave sold for the price of a horse. Those captives who were not sold there were brought to the market place in Azza [Gaza] which, because of the great multitudes of slaves who were sold there, was called Hadrian's market place. And those who were still not sold there were herded into ships and were taken to Egypt. Many died in transit, whether by starvation or by shipwreck, while many also were killed by cruel masters.
Munter, Primordia Eccl. Africanae, pp. 85f.,113.

The toll of the Bar Kochba uprising was devastating both on the population and on the places of habitation. The numbers of dead were awesome, while multitudes of Jews were taken captive to fill the slave markets near and far. The slave market of the Terebinth of Hebron was particuIarly famous as a center where Jewish slaves, sent into captivity by Hadrian were sold. So many Jewish slaves were available that, recording to one report, a Jew was sold for as little as the price of a portion of horse feed. #
History of Am Yisrael in Ancient Days (Hebrew, Devir), 1971, p.321.

#Innumerable was the multitude of those who were sold away as slaves. At the Annual market at Terehinth of Hebron they were offered fur sale in such numbers that a Jewish slave was of no more value then a horse. What could not be disposed of there was brought to Gaza and there sold or sent to Egypt, on the way to which many died of hunger, or of shipwreck. #
Emil Schurer, " A History of the Jewish People in the Time of Jesus Christ", Edinburgh, 1896, p.11."

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So historians argue with your statement. Now you have the problem of ignoring your logical flaws and being historically in the wrong.


I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REAL JEWS, CAN YOU PROVE THAT THIS HAPPENED TO YOUR PEOPLE? LOL!

YOUR OWN ENCYCLOPEDIAS AND YOUR OWN SCHOLARS ADMIT THAT YOU ARE NOT THE JEWS OF THE BIBLE.

LITERALLY ALL OF THE FACTS FROM BOTH HISTORY, MODERN FACTS, AND FROM THE BIBLE ARE ALLLLLLLL AGAINST YOU.

YOUR OWN PEOPLE EVEN ADMIT IT!

“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”
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"White House Memo Of 1969 Under Nixon Called The Igbo Jews Of West Africa"


White House Memo Of 1969 Under Nixon Called The Igbo Jews Of West Africa


In a White House memo dated Tuesday, January 28, 1969, to President Nixon, former Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger describes the Igbos as "the wandering Jews of West Africa-gifted, aggressive, westernized, at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by their neighbors in the federation." (foreign relations document, volume E-5, documents on Africa 1969-1972).


Here is a photo of the text from the actual memo:


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Here is a web link to the actual memo:


Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume E–5, Part 1, Documents on Sub-Saharan Africa, 1969–1972 - Office of the Historian
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This map was created in 1747 by English cartographer Emmanuel Bowen as part of a collection. He was a renowned map maker with a reputation for being accurate. Here on his map of Negroland (Africa), he notes “The Kingdom of Juda” as the “The Slave Coast”.

This proves that christian colonizers knew they were enslaving the sons of Jacob.

Shown below, the Kingdom of Juda (or Whidah) can be clearly seen in the area named the "Slave Coast" where the Portuguese first set up their slave port in 1580.

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The twenty eighth chapter of Deuteronomy verses 15 - 68 details the plight of the people of Yah after fleeing Jerusalem, and fifteen centries later being caught up in the transatlantic slave trade.

On today's modern maps the place is called Ouidah, which means Whydah or Judah.

Full size version of map:

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The reason Judah fled into Africa was to escape invading armies. Their enslavement by people in slave ships was a fulfillment of the following prophecy:

“Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia: That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled!” [Isaiah 18:1-2]

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