Who are the real Children of Israel?

[Tazarah]

My question for you is, As to why are you leaving out Verse's 1-14, when there are 68 Verse's and not 54 Verse's.
Had you read Verse's 1-14, that would tell you, That if the 12 tribes of Israel would do the right things, then God would bless them.
But seeing two tribes of Israel, which are the tribe of Judah and the tribe of Israel, were going in the wrong way, that the curse's were coming on these two tribes,
The other 10 tribes broke off and left the other two tribes, rather than have the Curse's come on them also.

Back between 2000 to 3000 years ago there were no European countries.

Back at that time Europe was nothing more than a vast wilderness with no people in it.

Until 10 tribes of Israel broke off and left Israel went over what is called the caucus mountains. To settle what is now called Europe.
So that only leaves two tribes in Israel the tribe of Judah and the tribe Israel.

I left out the first 14 verses because the Israelites did not receive the blessings — they were cursed for breaking God’s laws. Anybody who reads the bible knows that the Israelites disobeyed God and are being punished.

“And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.” [Jeremiah 17:4]

“And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” [Luke 21:24]

There are countless verses explaining how the Israelites did not receive the blessings/promise. Europeans are not and never have been Israelites. Europeans are not even semitic.

Come on now.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I left out the first 14 verses because the Israelites did not receive the blessings — they were cursed for breaking God’s laws. Anybody who reads the bible knows that the Israelites disobeyed God and are being punished.

“And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.” [Jeremiah 17:4]

“And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” [Luke 21:24]

There are countless verses explaining how the Israelites did not receive the blessings/promise. Europeans are not and never have been Israelites. Europeans are not even semitic.

Come on now.

Better look around, before you make such accusations.

 

[rosends]

OK, so basically he called them jews but at the same time they are not jews. He just threw the word jews in there for the heck of it.

No, he didn't call them Jews. You should reread the Kissinger quote:
"Henry Kissinger describes the Igbos as "the wandering Jews of West Africa-gifted, aggressive, westernized, at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by their neighbors in the federation." (foreign relations document, volume E-5, documents on Africa 1969-1972)."

Clearly, you don't understand how English works. If I describe someone as the "Hitler of our time" I am not saying he is Hitler, only that his characteristics make him satisfy the archetypical aspects of the trope. Sorry you are new to the language.

— the passage that you referenced from the jewish encyclopedia has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything that Henry Kissinger said about the Igbo, you are so desperate that now you’re just trying to pull whatever kind of farce that you can.

I don't recall saying that it does. Show me that I did.

And wow..... re-read what you just wrote about the map and what it says about the slave coast. What do translations have to do with the fact that they labeled the slave coast as the kingdom of Judah?

So you don't know how map names come about or what the Anglicization of a name is. The name was Xweda. Different people transliterated it phonetically into their language. You happen to like the French system because it leads to a word you recognize. Of course, none of the words "means the same thing as Judah". Are you an expert in the Yoruba language and can say that Ouida "means" what Judah means? Of course you aren't. How about what Whyda "means"?

Regardless, ALL of those translations mean the same thing - JUDAH. So now your argument is that they named the slave coast the kingdom of Judah just for the heck of it, right?

No, they aren't translations. No, they don't mean the same thing, no, not for the heck of it, for the sound of it.

P.S. the map that you posted is the SAME exact map that I posted. And it says: JUDAH, regardless of what language it is written in

No, in English it is written Whidah. You didn't see that?

English it is written — all of the colonizers labeled the slave coast as the same thing: “the Kingdom of JUDAH”.

No, as I showed you, different colonizers had different names for the place: "Xwéda; Ouidah, Juida, and Juda by the French; Ajudá by the Portuguese;and Fida by the Dutch"

You like to ignore what proves you wrong, but that doesn't make it disappear. Did you also notice that the slaves came from the Kingdom of Gabou according to that map?

How can you pack so many errors into such little space?

 

[Tazarah]

No, he didn't call them Jews. You should reread the Kissinger quote:
"Henry Kissinger describes the Igbos as "the wandering Jews of West Africa-gifted, aggressive, westernized, at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by their neighbors in the federation." (foreign relations document, volume E-5, documents on Africa 1969-1972)."

Clearly, you don't understand how English works. If I describe someone as the "Hitler of our time" I am not saying he is Hitler, only that his characteristics make him satisfy the archetypical aspects of the trope. Sorry you are new to the language.



I don't recall saying that it does. Show me that I did.

So you don't know how map names come about or what the Anglicization of a name is. The name was Xweda. Different people transliterated it phonetically into their language. You happen to like the French system because it leads to a word you recognize. Of course, none of the words "means the same thing as Judah". Are you an expert in the Yoruba language and can say that Ouida "means" what Judah means? Of course you aren't. How about what Whyda "means"?

No, they aren't translations. No, they don't mean the same thing, no, not for the heck of it, for the sound of it.

No, in English it is written Whidah. You didn't see that?

No, as I showed you, different colonizers had different names for the place: "Xwéda; Ouidah, Juida, and Juda by the French; Ajudá by the Portuguese;and Fida by the Dutch"

You like to ignore what proves you wrong, but that doesn't make it disappear. Did you also notice that the slaves came from the Kingdom of Gabou according to that map?

How can you pack so many errors into such little space?

Hey, did I show you this yet?

“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”

... remind me again why I am wasting my time arguing over proven facts with somebody who’s own people admit that they are not the descendants of the biblical Israelites? Lol.

 

[rosends]

Hey, did I show you this yet?

“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”

... remind me again why I am wasting my time arguing over proven facts with somebody who’s own people admit that they are not the descendants of the biblical Israelites? Lol.

Sure and I pointed out that this was dealt with by Tumah over 60 messages ago and I gave you a citation to a website which disproves it as well. Sorry you didn't read that. When you come up with something new, different and not already disproven, let me know.

 

[Tazarah]

Sure and I pointed out that this was dealt with by Tumah over 60 messages ago and I gave you a citation to a website which disproves it as well. Sorry you didn't read that. When you come up with something new, different and not already disproven, let me know.

He never dealt with anything, he denied that it was true simply because he did not believe it. What citation did you provide to prove that the documentation in your jewish encyclopedia regarding immigrational statistics is wrong? Your own encyclopedias, your own scholars, etc., all admit that you are not the original jews.

 

[Tazarah]

Sure and I pointed out that this was dealt with by Tumah over 60 messages ago and I gave you a citation to a website which disproves it as well. Sorry you didn't read that. When you come up with something new, different and not already disproven, let me know.

Literally all of your scholars and encyclopedias, etc. all admit that your people are NOT the jews of the bible. Stop wasting my time with your nonsense.

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew."
(1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

 

[rosends]

He never dealt with anything, he denied that it was true simply because he did not believe it. What citation did you provide to prove that the documentation in your jewish encyclopedia regarding immigrational statistics is wrong? Your own encyclopedias, your own scholars, etc., all admit that you are not the original jews.

So you didn't go to the Khazaria site with the scientific conclusions. OK. I tried. You ignored. And you ignored all the counter material Tumah showed that disproved the claim. Got it.

 

[rosends]

Literally all of your scholars and encyclopedias, etc. all admit that your people are NOT the jews of the bible. Stop wasting my time with your nonsense.

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew."
(1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

Your first statement is ridiculous. Even were it theoretically true, as you don't have access to "all" the scholars, you could not know it to be true. But it isn't true. Elhaik was writing to counter a widely held scientific theory about Jewish origin in the biblical middle east (the Rhineland hypothesis). Have you read the papers and the response of the scientific community?
"“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”"
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
Jews Are a ‘Race,’ Genes Reveal

You really should do a modicum of research before making easily disprovable blanket statements.

And then you quote the Jewish almanac which says that in terms of nomenclature, you should draw a distinction between the ancient Israelites (who were called that before the division between the 2 kingdoms from whence we get the term "Jew") and those who live today, after the word's application. You might want to consider that Mordechai, of the tribe of Benjamin, is called a Jew, but not an Israelite.

 

[Tazarah]

Your first statement is ridiculous. Even were it theoretically true, as you don't have access to "all" the scholars, you could not know it to be true. But it isn't true. Elhaik was writing to counter a widely held scientific theory about Jewish origin in the biblical middle east (the Rhineland hypothesis). Have you read the papers and the response of the scientific community?
"“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”"
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
Jews Are a ‘Race,’ Genes Reveal

You really should do a modicum of research before making easily disprovable blanket statements.

And then you quote the Jewish almanac which says that in terms of nomenclature, you should draw a distinction between the ancient Israelites (who were called that before the division between the 2 kingdoms from whence we get the term "Jew") and those who live today, after the word's application. You might want to consider that Mordechai, of the tribe of Benjamin, is called a Jew, but not an Israelite.

I am not talking about eran elhaik. I am talking about the jewish ENCYCLOPEDIAS. The immigration statistics all prove that your people descend from europeans. There is no way to disprove immigration statistics unless they are lying. There is no way to go back in time and change immigration statistics. Stop peddling lies. This is why I do not waste my time reading your sources, for one, literally all of the facts that I provide are irrefutable.

Even the BIBLE tells who you people really are.

“Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
The sons of JAPHETH; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
By these were the isles of the GENTILES divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.” [Genesis 10:1-5]

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

^ this study was done 13 years after the release of the article that you posted.

The encyclopedias tell the truth about your people, the almanacs, the university professors, the scholars/scientists — even the BIBLE.

You people are NOT hebrew in origin your, ancestors merelt converted and have been passing down “judaism”. You have not fulfilled any of the prophetic curses, and most importantly — ancient hebrews were NOT european, nor were they from europe. No matter how hard you try to lie about it, people are not stupid and not everybody is as gullible as you would like for us to be. Get over it, all you have proven is that you refuse to accept the truth.

 

[Tazarah]

I am not talking about eran elhaik. I am talking about the jewish ENCYCLOPEDIAS. The immigration statistics all prove that your people descend from europeans. There is no way to disprove immigration statistics unless they are lying. There is no way to go back in time and change immigration statistics. Stop peddling lies. This is why I do not waste my time reading your sources, for one, literally all of the facts that I provide are irrefutable.

Even the BIBLE tells who you people really are.

“Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
The sons of JAPHETH; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
By these were the isles of the GENTILES divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.” [Genesis 10:1-5]

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

^ this study was done 13 years after the release of the article that you posted.

The encyclopedias tell the truth about your people, the almanacs, the university professors, the scholars/scientists — even the BIBLE.

You people are NOT hebrew in origin your ancestors nearly converted. You have not fulfilled any of the prophetic curses, and most importantly — ancient hebrews were NOT european, nor were they from europe. No matter how hard you try to lie about it, people are not stupid and not everybody is as gullible as you would like for us to be. Get over it, all you have proven is that you refuse to accept the truth.

ok... i think I figured out your theory...


Are you saying, people like me, went into the region, a long time ago, and kicked everyone out, and stole the religion? Like, took over the entire region.

Like... when? When did that happen? That would be before the bibles were compiled...

Around the 8th-10th centuries after mass converting to “judaism”.

 

[Tazarah]

Therefore, you're saying that non jews, in the region, then mixed with those people?

The original hebrews were already all gone at that point.

“And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” [Luke 21:24]

 

[rosends]

I am not talking about eran elhaik.

Actually, you are. You just don't know it because you don't understand the source of your claims.

I am talking about the jewish ENCYCLOPEDIAS. The immigration statistics all prove that your people descend from europeans. There is no way to disprove immigration statistics unless they are lying. There is no way to go back in time and change immigration statistics.

Immigration statistics prove genetic lineage? That's a bizarre new claim. Does something about the passport process make my DNA change? Another good laugh, so thanks.

This is why I do not waste my time reading your sources, for one, literally all of the facts that I provide are irrefutable.

And there you have it...for all to see. You don't read stuff provided because you have decided your position is irrefutable. Perfect.

Even the BIBLE tells who you people really are.

“Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
The sons of JAPHETH; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
By these were the isles of the GENTILES divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.” [Genesis 10:1-5]

Well, I already mentioned that you don't understand the Hebrew so you don't realize the error the word "Gentile" and that the name Ashkenaz is unrelated to Ashkenazi Jews, but since you don't read things, I guess you skipped that as well.

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

^ this study was done 13 years after the release of the article that you posted.

And it debunks your Khazar claim. So are you really accepting what this article says even though it undermines your position or is this more inconsistency?

Since you admit you don't read anything I put up which refutes your points there seems to be little point. But, of course, I enjoy watching you admit you are wrong when you continually post. Right?

 

[Desert Snake]

The original hebrews were already all gone at that point.

“And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” [Luke 21:24]

Your main theory doesn't work.
It would make jews, Khazars, Christians, Khazars, Samaritans, Khazars, and others, all, Khazars. All over europe, and the m. East.

In other threads, I've already said, that this Khazar theory is bunk. I asked a Jewish guy, from the area, [Khazar region, where your theory says, they became European Jews, if the Jews, the east europe Jews, there, were Khazars, he said no. [Ie if he is Khazar.

So theres your answer. There may be some Khazars, it doesnt mean anything.

[[Speaking of which, the Khazars had a huge empire, a Jewish empire, and they converted ages ago. It doesnt mean anything, anyway.

 

[Tazarah]

Actually, you are. You just don't know it because you don't understand the source of your claims.

Immigration statistics prove genetic lineage? That's a bizarre new claim. Does something about the passport process make my DNA change? Another good laugh, so thanks.

And there you have it...for all to see. You don't read stuff provided because you have decided your position is irrefutable. Perfect.

Well, I already mentioned that you don't understand the Hebrew so you don't realize the error the word "Gentile" and that the name Ashkenaz is unrelated to Ashkenazi Jews, but since you don't read things, I guess you skipped that as well.

And it debunks your Khazar claim. So are you really accepting what this article says even though it undermines your position or is this more inconsistency?

Since you admit you don't read anything I put up which refutes your points there seems to be little point. But, of course, I enjoy watching you admit you are wrong when you continually post. Right?

Look at how you unshamedly and BLATANTLY lie... “the word gentile is an error and the word ashkenaz is not related to ashkenazi jews” — what complete, utter BS. Look at you, lying your behind off, as if me and other people don’t have two eyes and can’t read. And you honestly expect me to take anything you say seriously? You’re going on and on about how I do this or that but look at how delusional you are, the bible — the TORAH (Genesis 10:1-5) literally says ASHKENAZ and GENTILE... and that you come from japheth. You lie literally everytime that you post. Literally.

So according to your logic, if the bible says canaan, then that has nothing to do with canaanite people at all, they are two completely different things, right?

Are you a pathological liar or what?

Next you are going to tell me that Ham is not the origin of Hamite people, and that Israel is not the origin of Israelite people.

HA!

Then you said that the word “gentile” in Genesis 10:1-5 is an “error” — why is it an error, just because you say that it is? It’s an error because it totally shuts down your pathetic argument, right?

This is complete comedy!

People like you are the worst kind of people. You believe your own lies and expect other people to believe them as well. You shoot yourself in the foot time after time again.

P.S. — your people don’t even speak HEBREW... You speak YIDDISH... and guess where that language came from? Khazars. It’s a made up language consisting of german and other languages all mixed together. Nothing about your people is hebrew and all of the evidence against you is overwhelming. I literally don’t even need to debate you, all I honestly need to do is post facts and watch you try to lie about them and make a fool of yourself. You don’t realize it but you are your own worst enemy.

It is an IRREFUTABLE FACT that Genesis 10:1-5 identifies your people as originating from one of the sons of Japheth, therefore proving that your people are NOT semitic and in fact japhetic in origin. All anybody has to do is READ THE BIBLE TO SEE. THE TORAH. THE TANAKH. GENESIS 10:1-5. This is the BIBLE saying that. It’s not my opinion, it is a biblical fact that ties in with all of the other facts, like the immigration statistics from the jewish encyclopedia, proving that your people are NOT native to Israel. All of the facts are against you and you know it. That’s why you try to lie about the most obvious of things — I’m still lmao at how you said that “ashkenaz” in Genesis 10:1-5 is not talking about ashkenazi people, and I am also lmao at how you said that the word “gentile” in Genesis 10:1-5 is an “error”.

Yeah, everything that exposes you and your people as the non-semitic europeans that you truly are is an “error”, LMAO.

 

[Tazarah]

Your main theory doesn't work.
It would make jews, Khazars, Christians, Khazars, Samaritans, Khazars, and others, all, Khazars. All over europe, and the m. East.

In other threads, I've already said, that this Khazar theory is bunk. I asked a Jewish guy, from the area, [Khazar region, where your theory says, they became European Jews, if the Jews, the east europe Jews, there, were Khazars, he said no. [Ie if he is Khazar.

So theres your answer. There may be some Khazars, it doesnt mean anything.

[[Speaking of which, the Khazars had a huge empire, a Jewish empire, and they converted ages ago. It doesnt mean anything, anyway.

So just because somebody denies being a khazar means that they aren’t one? If a thief robs someone and then denies ever robbing someone, then that must mean he is not a thief, right?

You haven’t proven anything with any legitimate facts, or any facts at all for that matter. Yes, the khazars mass converted their WHOLE entire empire during the early centuries when they were still in europe.

Now there are european jews who came from the same area who are claiming to be biblical jews when the biblical jews were NOT european and did NOT originate in europe.

So, where did all of the khazars who converted go? They just magically disappeared, right?

 

[Desert Snake]

Make a big loopy circle, and you have to prove that Im a Khazar, in other words. And theres no evidence that I would genetically hit the 'jewish' markers.

Its like, your theory is impossible.

If im a Khazar, then jews arent?!

 

[Tazarah]

Make a big loopy circle, and you have to prove that Im a Khazar, in other words. And theres no evidence that I would genetically hit the 'jewish' markers.

Its like, your theory is impossible.

If im a Khazar, then jews arent?!

I don’t have to prove anything because your own people already admit it.

“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”

^ your own encyclopedias document that your ancestors were khazars according to the emigration statistics.

 

[Desert Snake]

So just because somebody denies being a khazar means that they aren’t one? If a thief robs someone and then denies ever robbing someone, then that must mean he is not a thief, right?

You haven’t proven anything with any legitimate facts, or any facts at all for that matter. Yes, the khazars mass converted their WHOLE entire empire during the early centuries when they were still in europe.

Now there are european jews who came from the same area who are claiming to be biblical jews when the biblical jews were NOT european and did NOT originate in europe.

So, where did all of the khazars who converted go? They just magically disappeared, right?

Lol, no, he wouldn't lie about that, no reason to. They probably admixed into other populations, like any group. Your theory is just all mixed up. Like i said, it makes everyone a khazar, in a huge region, not just jews.

 

[Tazarah]

Lol, no, he wouldn't lie about that, no reason to. They probably admixed into other populations, like any group. Your theory is just all mixed up. Like i said, it makes everyone a khazar, in a huge region, not just jews.

No reason to? Why would anybody want to admit that they are not actually a jew, but that they are actually a khazar impostor who is pretending to be something that they are not?

No, it does not make everybody from that region a khazar because not everybody in that reason mass converted to judaism — only the khazars did.

So tell me, where did all these khazars go? According to your own emigration statistics, and your own professors/scholars, the people who are calling themselves jews are in fact the descendants of the khazars.

Your people are not semitic and are european. You act like this is all a huge coincidence, when it is not. The facts speak for themselves.