Who believes that the "Second Coming" of Christ is alive?

[sojourner]

Hi Sojourner,
It seems there are contradicting ideas of biblical canon chronology...

"By the early 200s, Origen of Alexandria may have been using the same 27 books as in the modern New Testament, though there were still disputes over the canonicity of Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and Revelation,[3] see also Antilegomena...
The next two hundred years followed a similar process of continual discussion throughout the entire Church, and localized refinements of acceptance. As the Church worked to become of one mind, the approximate completeness of agreement merged gradually closer to unity. This process was not yet complete at the time of the First Council of Nicaea in 325, though substantial progress had been made by then. It has been conjectured that Constantine's commission in 331 of fifty copies of the Bible for the Church at Constantinople may have been an early occasion for establishing a formal list of the canonical books, leading to later formal affirmations, though no concrete evidence exists to support the idea. Lacking an established list, the resolution of questions would normally have been directed through the see of Constantinople, in consultation with Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea (who was given the commission), and perhaps other bishops who were available locally.

In his Easter letter of 367, Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, gave a list of exactly the same books that would formally become the New Testament canon,[6] and he used the word "canonized" (kanonizomena) in regards to them.[7] The first council that accepted the present Catholic canon (the Canon of Trent) may have been the Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa (AD 393); the acts of this council, however, are lost. A brief summary of the acts was read at and accepted by the Councils of Carthage in 397 and 419."
Development of the Christian biblical canon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note how politics and religion were incorporated and likely wording changed to justify inquisition, crusades, etc.
IE: William Shakespear is believed to have helped polish the King James Version of the bible the year it was finished when Shakepeare was 46 and left his name in Psalms 46.
Was Shakespeare one of the Translators of the King James Bible? < Spiritual Life | CBN.com

I share this, not to destroy your faith, but to help build it on a stronger foundation.
Jesus repeatedly taught NOT to trust in men - to only trust in God... and that includes biblical writers & editors as imperfect men/women. Learn from them, but don't blindly obey them.
Jesus also repeatedly tried to help people see that the ONLY way you can be saved, the only way you can experience God, is WITHIN you.
And this makes sense experientially: you don't feel God in a tree, or even a temple - God is always felt by YOU, within YOU.

First of all: What "faith" are you talking about??

Second: None of your "history lesson" makes a whit of difference to what I'm talking about. I'm talking about writings that were extant long before the canonization process began -- let alone was concluded.

to wit: Most reputable scholars place the writing of Mark at just post-70 c.e., and I find no reason to dispute that finding.
Additionally, several scholars place the origin of Q (from which the writers of Matthew and Luke likely take their quotations of Jesus) at prior to 40 c.e. I find no reason to dispute that finding, either.

Even taking the more widely-accepted date of Mark (70 c.e.), we find that the idea of the parousia was written about as early as 40 years following Jesus -- not the "hundreds" that you pose here.

 

[paarsurrey]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is/was the "Second Coming" of Christ or Jesus.

He died in 1908; now his Fifth Caliph is alive; his name is Mirza Masroor Ahmad.

One may google for more details in this connection.

Regards

 

[Alt Thinker]

Lol, I never said that I can teleport.

If you believe the Bible, even Jesus could only be in one place at a time.

I am 100% human, I am like most people in most ways.

Even though it would seem that some supernatural "miracles" have happened in My Life, I am not supernatural, and I can't perform any miracles.

I am more of the Prophet of this AGE.

Did you watch My youtube videos of Myself?

~PEACE~

Teleportation does not mean being in more than one place at the same time. It means going from one place to another without traveling in between.

Jesus could teleport. Matthew reports that when the angel rolled the stone back the tomb was already empty. Jesus is also reported in the several Gospels as appearing in the midst of the disciples.

Maybe you are just out of practice?

 

[sojourner]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is/was the "Second Coming" of Christ or Jesus.

He died in 1908; now his Fifth Caliph is alive; his name is Mirza Masroor Ahmad.

One may google for more details in this connection.

Regards

"During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

In a sense, when posting anything with confidence, we all are prophets..."a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God."
Still, I believe that only God should be followed.

It seems that the 2nd coming idea was created hundreds of years after the time of Jesus.
Jesus repeatedly tried to correct others who were looking for such an event externally...
When asked WHEN the kingdom of God would come, Jesus responded...
"The kingdom of. God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! Or, lo there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you." -Luke 17

Heaven's reward fallacy is this distorted notion that we let this world go to hell and wait to be saved. It's a similar mentality some Jews had who hated Jesus for not saving them as they externally wanted to be saved.

I don't believe that the words, "Second Coming of Christ" appear in the Bible, even the New Testament.

The reason why I put the words "Second Coming" in quotes is because I am not sure if there was a first coming of Christ: but the Christians believe that the "Second Coming" will come, so I try and appease the Christians as well.

I, Myself, would consider Myself an Agnostic Theist. I would be happy to believe in God, if God was proven, but until then, I am skeptical of God, because I don't know if God exists.

~PEACE~

 

[sojourner]

I don't believe that the words, "Second Coming of Christ" appear in the Bible, even the New Testament.

The reason why I put the words "Second Coming" in quotes is because I am not sure if there was a first coming of Christ: but the Christians believe that the "Second Coming" will come, so I try and appease the Christians as well.

I, Myself, would consider Myself an Agnostic Theist. I would be happy to believe in God, if God was proven, but until then, I am skeptical of God, because I don't know if God exists.

~PEACE~

How can you be the Christ if you don't know God?

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Teleportation does not mean being in more than one place at the same time. It means going from one place to another without traveling in between.

Jesus could teleport. Matthew reports that when the angel rolled the stone back the tomb was already empty. Jesus is also reported in the several Gospels as appearing in the midst of the disciples.

Maybe you are just out of practice?

No, Jesus could not teleport, because no one can teleport at this stage in history.

I am more of the Prophet that speaks for Christ, because I personally believe that I am the Christ: I speak for Myself.

It says that you are a "non-theist", so why would you believe the dogma in the Bible anyways?

If you watched My videos of Myself, it should be manifest that I am the Prophet. Just because I am the Prophet, it doesn't mean that I am hubris. I would consider Myself the humble Prophet.

I don't believe that I will ever be able to teleport. Maybe if I was born in the year 10,000 ACG (After Christ George), maybe then I would be able to teleport, but science is still learning.

I am like most people in most ways, the major difference is that I am the Christ- the Prophet, to My people. But the thing is that the average person can learn My teachings.

Right now, teleportation is science fiction.

~PEACE~

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

How can you be the Christ if you don't know God?

Thats a very good question.

To be veridical, I don't believe anyone actually knows God.

And if someone claims that they know God, tell them to prove it (without quoting religious texts).

How can anyone truly fathom the Supreme Being- God?

Most of the religions claim that their religion is the only way to God, or whatever. How can every religion be correct, when they preach different messages?

I only try and say the things that I believe. If I said that "I know God," I would be intellectually dishonest. I don't know God any more then the Atheists or Theists know God.

Don't get Me wrong, I know many things about the Bible, but I don't believe that the Bible is "the Word of God." Men wrote the Bible, and God did not write the Bible.

I know Myself better then most people, and I believe that I am the Christ, regardless whether I know the invisible sky daddy, or not. If God was a tangible being, I would want to know God on a personal level, if I was privileged enough. But how can anyone know an invisible diety that lives (allegedly) in heaven?

I know God as much as the most pious Theist, and that is naught. The most pious Theists only have their personal assumptions about God, and nothing more.

To My knowlege, God has never revealed Himself in an empirical, credible way. Why can't I just read Gods autobiography, so I can then get to know Him?

Not too many Theists can convert an Atheist, because there isn't logic in the religions that I know about. I would assert that most religions are full of logical fallacies, like miracles for example.

The day that I meet God is the day that I will show God to the world: but don't hold your breath. If I knew God on a personal level, I would introduce God to everyone else, so we could all know God on a personal level.

But, right now, I can honestly say that I have never met God. But I can speak My opinions about what I believe. And I honestly believe that I am the Christ; just watch My vodeos of Myself that I posted in this thread.

Its My personal, subjective opinion that I am the Christ, with or without God.

~PEACE~

 

[Alt Thinker]

No, Jesus could not teleport, because no one can teleport at this stage in history.

I am more of the Prophet that speaks for Christ, because I personally believe that I am the Christ: I speak for Myself.

It says that you are a "non-theist", so why would you believe the dogma in the Bible anyways?

If you watched My videos of Myself, it should be manifest that I am the Prophet. Just because I am the Prophet, it doesn't mean that I am hubris. I would consider Myself the humble Prophet.

I don't believe that I will ever be able to teleport. Maybe if I was born in the year 10,000 ACG (After Christ George), maybe then I would be able to teleport, but science is still learning.

I am like most people in most ways, the major difference is that I am the Christ- the Prophet, to My people. But the thing is that the average person can learn My teachings.

Right now, teleportation is science fiction.

~PEACE~

I come from New York City. I have met a lot of Christs. Prophets too.

The implied point in the Gospels is that Jesus could not only teleport but do it by supernatural means, not by science. I take it they were wrong?

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

I come from New York City. I have met a lot of Christs. Prophets too.

The implied point in the Gospels is that Jesus could not only teleport but do it by supernatural means, not by science. I take it they were wrong?

You mean that you met a lot of fake, false christs; and fake, false prophets?

I don't believe any of the alleged "miracles" that happened in the Bible.

If Jesus was a real person, Jesus would only be able to do things that real people do.

What makes Jesus so special that he can (allegedly) perform "miracles", and basically no one else can even come close to performing a miracle?

Not even I, the Christ, can perform miracles on command. Of course, I have some prophecies that would seem like miracles, if they were ever implememted; but it still wouldn't require the supernatural, just human ingenuity.

Why would only Jesus be favored to perform "miracles", and no one else?

I would argue that any miracle from the Bible would seem to be a logical fallacy.

Of course the Bible is wrong! No one ever has been able to empirically prove that any miracles have ever happened. Why would the Bible be any different?

If Jesus was 100% human, then there would be nothing supernatural about Jesus. Science has never been able to prove anything supernatural.

Lets use logic, reason, and discernment, to deduce the truth about Jesus and the Bible. Sure, some of the Biblical stories are incredible stories, but in the end, they are just stories made up by ancient men.

Jesus is just a fairy tale, among many fairy tales.

~PEACE~

 

[HeatherAnn]

Hi Sojourner...

I share this, not to destroy your faith, but to help build it on a stronger foundation.
Jesus repeatedly taught NOT to trust in men - to only trust in God... and that includes biblical writers & editors as imperfect men/women. Learn from them, but don't blindly obey them.
Jesus also repeatedly tried to help people see that the ONLY way you can be saved, the only way you can experience God, is WITHIN you.
And this makes sense experientially: you don't feel God in a tree, or even a temple - God is always felt by YOU, within YOU.

First of all: What "faith" are you talking about??

Thanks for the request of clarification - what I wrote before was obscure.

The type of faith I'm referring to is one that is unshakable - one that is based on God, not people - not even the people who wrote the bible.

And who is God? The answer to that is something that is and should be evolving for each of us indefinetely.

 

[HeatherAnn]

I, Myself, would consider Myself an Agnostic Theist. I would be happy to believe in God, if God was proven, but until then, I am skeptical of God, because I don't know if God exists.

~PEACE~

Which definition of God (out of countess) are you considering?
What if God is unprovable?
What if your belief creates your reality (like the placebo effect)?
I believe in God - but not some of the orthodox interpretations.
I believe that God is more than I can fathom - objective truth.
However, the means by which I resonate with God is unique, because I'm unique.
As Buddha suggested, to connect spiritually, I cherish what I believed as a child -a personification of spiritualty - because that's how I resonate best.
How do you resonate best - how do you tap into your subconscious mind - to be more than you could be otherwise?

Its My personal, subjective opinion that I am the Christ, with or without God.

Are you being sarcastic or serious?
If serious... How do you define Christ?
"Anointed one"?
"An ideal type of humanity"?
"Messiah?"

IMO, you can be NOTHING without God.
God is all-encompassing truth - including the truth by which you exist.

 

[sojourner]

The type of faith I'm referring to is one that is unshakable - one that is based on God, not people - not even the people who wrote the bible.

And who is God? The answer to that is something that is and should be evolving for each of us indefinetely.

Again: What "faith" are you talking about? Why are you assuming that I have, want, or need this "faith" that is "based on 'God?'"

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Which definition of God (out of countess) are you considering?

When I say "God", I am usually referring to the "Supreme Being". To the Christians, God is allegedly omnipotent, onmiscient, and omnipresent. I don't believe in the Christian "God", or any religions god. Hypothetically, if God exists, He should be omnibenevolent. I have yet to come across a cogent god.

What if God is unprovable?

If God is unprovable, then why believe in God at all? For example, the invisible spaghetti monster in the sky is unprovable too, so why should anyone believe in it? If I, George Manuel Oliveira, was unprovable, would anyone believe in Me? No, people usually need evidence, proof, facts, etc., in order to make a logical belief system. Personally, I don't see any proof for God. I see many facts, evidence, and proof that I am alive, and I exist: and I am claiming to be the Christ. I would rather believe in Myself- a fact, then to believe in any unproven god.

What if your belief creates your reality (like the placebo effect)?

If your belief creates your reality, then I should already be living in utopia, or a paradise, because that is what I believe in. If My belief created My reality, I would already be the King of the world, and we would all be governed by a global online government, because thats what I believe in. But, to be fair, I believe in the power of attraction; but that only goes so far. I can believe that I am the Chief of My Space Force, and we will be terraforming new planets in our solar system, but that is just My fantasy, regardless how strong I believe it. I'm sure that peoples beliefs can dictate certain things, but it also has limits.

I believe in God - but not some of the orthodox interpretations.

I don't have any problems whether people believe in God or not; it doesn't normally effect Me, and I could care less. Some people need the belief in God to keep them moral, happy, content, humble, etc.. I would rather see people believe in God, and be happy, compared to being a depressed Atheist. I believed in God for most of My Life, but I'm not sure if God ever helped Me. I am happy that there are Theists and Atheists, but I don't think that both parties can be correct: but whatever makes people content.

I believe that God is more than I can fathom - objective truth.

What is your "objective truth"?

However, the means by which I resonate with God is unique, because I'm unique.
As Buddha suggested, to connect spiritually, I cherish what I believed as a child -a personification of spiritualty - because that's how I resonate best.

Are you a Buddhist?

How do you resonate best - how do you tap into your subconscious mind - to be more than you could be otherwise?

I just try and be logical, rational, and real. I don't have any special tricks to discover truth, it just takes discernment. I think a lot, maybe I meditate throughout the day, but I think while I am going about My daily routine. To be veridical, I don't think I "tap into My subconscious mind" at all, except when I am sleeping. I just try and stay humble, and at peace with others. I do like to brainstorm novel notions, thats probably why I have so many prophecies.

Are you being sarcastic or serious?

I totally believe that I am the Christ of My people. And if no one believes that I am the Christ, I am My very own Christ. I don't have a cult, and I don't want a cult, so its hard to tell how many people believe in Me. I am not even looking for people to follow Me, I am looking for many, many witnesses. I just want to be known and considered as the Christ. Compare Me to any false christ. I seriously believe that I am the Christ. I have been believing in Myself since August of the year 2008, right after I turned 23 years old.

If serious... How do you define Christ?

I would define Christ as Myself. I am the Prophet of all prophets. I have the Name above all names. I am the Anointed One. I am the Life of all of creation; because I live, there is the Life. I am the King of My elect people. I am the Messiah to My witnesses. I am the Lord of the future. I am the Savior of the oppressed that need to be saved. I am the Chosen One. I am the Helper. But most of the time, I am just "George" to My friends and My family. I am as special as anyone else, regardless of My titles. I am just trying to be the best Me that I can be.

"Anointed one"?

Watch all of My youtube videos that I posted, and you tell Me if I am the "Anointed One".

"An ideal type of humanity"?

My ideal type of humamity would be when My global online government is implemented. When the people dictate all of the laws, and not sold out, biased politicians. Yes, My government would be a global online government. I will undoubtedly talk much more about My global online government.

"Messiah?"

Yes?

Yes, I personally believe that I am the Measiah.

IMO, you can be NOTHING without God.
God is all-encompassing truth - including the truth by which you exist.

I would rather live with an omnibenevolent God, compared to no God at all. I just don't see proof for God. I do believe that the Creator created the universe, and without the creation, we all would be naught.

~PEACE~

 

[Riverwolf]

You don't have to believe in the "Second Coming" at all.

I am not sure if I am the "Second Coming" either, because I don't know if there was a first coming of Christ.

Regardless what the Christians believe, there is no empirical proof for Jesus: there is just hearsay for the "evidence" for Jesus.

No one is obligated to believe in Me either. I would rather people use their discernment to deduce if I am the Christ or not.

I appreciate diversity. I love the Atheists as much as I love the Christians.

Anyone can claim to be anything, it takes evidence to support the onus.

Just because I am claiming to be Christ, it doesn't change many facts about Me.

I hope that people always try and believe in the Truth, whatever that might be.

I am not forcing anyone to believe anything. I am simply going to state My case.

But, no, no one has to believe in the "Second Coming" of Christ.

I appreciate your honesty.

~PEACE~

Far as I'm concerned, you're just as human as I am. Therefore, your status as deity is entirely dependent on other people deifying you. But there doesn't need to be anything mysical about that. Emperor Akihito is a God, and still fully human.

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Far as I'm concerned, you're just as human as I am.

Yes, I agree that I am "just as human" as you, or any other human. I also agree that I am 100% human. I need to eat, sleep, poop, and pee, like all people need to. My body functions like any other male human, for the most part. I am not claiming to be some extraterrestial alien, nor am I claiming to have supernatural abilities. I am about average in most ways.

Therefore, your status as deity is entirely dependent on other people deifying you.

I accept what you're saying, but I have a different opinion. People can not dictate whether I am the authentic Christ, or not. Even if every person in the entire world believed that I am the Christ, it would still be their subjective opinions. It is only My personal subjective opinion that I am the Christ. As far as I know, there is no objective falsifiable test to dictate who is the authenic Christ. But, it should be an infallible fact that I am claiming to be the Christ. I believe that I have enough evidence to be considered as a credible, potential Christ. I don't even know if Jesus was the Christ, so what is the standard to authenticate the actual Christ? But, regardless how many people believe that I am the Christ, its still not going to change the subjective claim that I am making. You don't need much faith to believe in the facts about Me, but you need some faith to believe that I am the Christ. So, if everyone believes that I am the Christ, or no one believes that I am the Christ; it doesn't change the fact if I am the Christ or not. So what I am trying to say is that peoples subjective opinions can not change the fact if I am the actual, authentic Christ, or not.

But there doesn't need to be anything mysical about that.

The supernatural has never been proven by science, so I don't believe in anything mystical.

Emperor Akihito is a God, and still fully human.

Who is that? and why do you consider him a god, when he is also 100% human?

I might be a god, but I don't want to be God, even if I was God. I actually believe that we all are gods in a very funny way.

~PEACE~

 

[InChrist]

I accept what you're saying, but I have a different opinion. People can not dictate whether I am the authentic Christ, or not. Even if every person in the entire world believed that I am the Christ, it would still be their subjective opinions. It is only My personal subjective opinion that I am the Christ. As far as I know, there is no objective falsifiable test to dictate who is the authenic Christ. But, it should be an infallible fact that I am claiming to be the Christ. I believe that I have enough evidence to be considered as a credible, potential Christ. I don't even know if Jesus was the Christ, so what is the standard to authenticate the actual Christ? But, regardless how many people believe that I am the Christ, its still not going to change the subjective claim that I am making. You don't need much faith to believe in the facts about Me, but you need some faith to believe that I am the Christ. So, if everyone believes that I am the Christ, or no one believes that I am the Christ; it doesn't change the fact if I am the Christ or not. So what I am trying to say is that peoples subjective opinions can not change the fact if I am the actual, authentic Christ, or not.

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.Matthew 24:4-5


Many may claim to be Christ, yet there is only one who is Christ and that is Jesus Christ according to the scriptures. If you are Christ you must have fulfilled the prophecies concerning the birth, life, death, and resurrection of the promised Savior of the world along with demonstrating the omniscient power of God. If not, then you are just another false christ.

Can you demonstrate the power of omniscience by telling everyone here something about their lives without having met them or things you would otherwise have no way of knowing, as Jesus did in the examples below? Or can you prove your omniscient awareness by detailed descriptions of events before they take place(John 11:11-15; Mark 14;13-15)?

Jesus said to her, “You have well said, ‘I have no husband,’ for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.” John 4:17-18


Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!”Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.”
Nathanael answered and said to Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.” John 1:47-51

 

[Riverwolf]

Who is that? and why do you consider him a god, when he is also 100% human?

Emperor Akihito is the current Emperor of Japan. He is a God because many who practice Shintoism accept him as such, and in Japanese, his title is "Tenno Heika", or "His Majesty the Heavenly Sovereign".

Likewise, the Pharaohs were Gods, while still fully human.

You become a God when others regard you as such. If nobody titles you a "God", then you are not a God.

Gaia was here long before. But She was not a God until humankind came to see Her as one.

 

[psychoslice]

I don't even think there was a first coming of Christ, so what are you talking about ?.

 

[InChrist]

Many false christs around...

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