Who Created Evolution?

[DavidFirth]

No, I didn't say that.
The biggest problem with you religionists is that you're hard of hearing. You make up your mind, and then simply ignore the facts in front of your nose when they prove you wrong.

Speciation through evolution is the most coherent, best, explanation of the facts that are easily available to Truth seekers. You keep changing the subject to the Origins of life, when your personal theory of speciation goes into the dumpster.
But evolution and biogenesis are two different things.
Tim

Last time I checked my reference book was and still is the best selling, most read, most translated book on the planet. No other book even comes close.

Atheists are all the same. You ask them questions they can't answer about what they believe, show them how their theory leaves more to the imagination than they ever thought and they resort to "its two different things." No, it isn't. I just showed you that it isn't - not for the atheist.

And you have absolutely not proved anything. Every time I ask an atheist for proof I get the old go to, "science isn't about proving anything."

What can you or have you proved? Nothing. You did admit that there is an awful lot about your theory you don't know and you're not interested in knowing. Okay, I got it.

 

[columbus]

If you know it for a fact you're whacked because there is no way you can prove it or justify how you could know such a thing.

Oh yes I can. Indisputably!
There are a zillion kinds of Christians. Then there's the Jews, the Hindus, the aboriginals, the pagans, the ancestors worshippers, the list of people who believe that they know about this stuff is endless...
There is no God who cares enough about what we do, believe or what happens to us to be clear. That's a fact.
Tom

 

[DavidFirth]

Oh yes I can. Indisputably!
There are a zillion kinds of Christians. Then there's the Jews, the Hindus, the aboriginals, the pagans, the ancestors worshippers, the list of people who believe that they know about this stuff is endless...
There is no God who cares enough about what we do, believe or what happens to us to be clear. That's a fact.
Tom

Hmm... somehow I think Pythagoras would laugh out loud at your little "proof."

 

[columbus]

Last time I checked my reference book was and still is the best selling, most read, most translated book on the planet. No other book even comes close.

You would be wrong and the evidence is very clear.

There's a zillion books out there called The Holy Bible. But they vary hugely. Different translation, different books (some have the Apochrypha, some the book of Mormon, some neither), all are written with an agenda. And they are different.

The Qur'an, in the original Arabic, is the biggest single book out there. The most widely used book ever, without a close second. You can ignore God's biggest book ever if you want to.
I do.
Tom

 

[lewisnotmiller]

No, not Darwin. God created evolution. Darwin may have noticed some things like cross breeding and adaptation, called it evolution, and after a few puffs of the wacky weed, decided people came from monkeys. But for whatever part of evolution is true, God created at the time of creation. God created both the visible and invisible. The systems of the life cycle are a part of the creation; adaptation, survival of the fittest, luck, winning. The things people call evolution.

Collosians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Whilst I doubt that (God), I'm fine with it. Not like I know how life was created anyway.

Confused why anyone would actually suggest Darwin invented a process that created (eventually) Darwin though. Seems a wee bit paradoxical/hyperbolic.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It has everything to do with it if you're an atheist. Atheists are stuck with trying to explain abiogenesis and fitting it in with evolution.

Or, we cooouuulllddd just state what's backed by scientific evidence, and say we don't know for the rest.

Seems better than having an answer for everything.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Atheists are all the same.

Bahahahahaha!!!!
I'm not sure how you think that sentence could even be vaguely accurate.
Methinks you're working from a very small sample size, and extrapolating out to millions of people.

It's cool though. All theists are judgemental like that. Right???

(Of course not...)

 

[Kapalika]

I know you were responding to other people but I wanna jump in a little.

So abiogenesis must have been a theory some atheist on LSD came up with.

I don't think there really is any "the" hypothesis of abiogenesis. No one really knows how it happened.

It has everything to do with it if you're an atheist. Atheists are stuck with trying to explain abiogenesis and fitting it in with evolution.

How can they get something to fit that literally no one not even you know as a fact the answer to?

Last time I checked my reference book was and still is the best selling, most read, most translated book on the planet. No other book even comes close.

And my reference (Satan) is the coolest but who's keeping count? Popularity doesn't make something true.

And you have absolutely not proved anything. Every time I ask an atheist for proof I get the old go to, "science isn't about proving anything.".

Lol what does that even mean and who's saying that?

 

[Skwim]

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Gotta say, even this makes more sense than that Genesis thing.

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[Skwim]

Then why are there so many Christians who deny evolution? Isn't that essentially denying God('s will) by doing so? (Half earnest, half cheeky question )

Christians who deny evolution simply haven't evolved enough. Give 'em a few thousand years or so and check back.

Nobody created evolution.

Yes, the name of the creator is "Nobody". I'm not sure why they go by that.

Hey, didn't you read the OP question; "WHO created evolution." Not "WHAT created evolution." It's already a given that a WHO did it.

So abiogenesis must have been a theory some atheist on LSD came up with.

You mean like those psychedelic-mushroom munching Bible writers of old who thought god was talking to/through them?

Last time I checked my reference book was and still is the best selling, most read, most translated book on the planet. No other book even comes close.

Oh, that trustworthy book that can't make up its mind what god says he does in Isaiah 45:7?

Depending on the version you hold in your hand god says he . . . .

creates evil

creates doom

creates woe

creates calamity

creates disaster

creates hard times

creates discords

causes troubles

sends bad times

sends troubles​

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[Altfish]

No, not Darwin.

Does anyone really think Darwin created evolution??

Darwin investigated the diversity of life and gave an explanation that has come to be known as evolution. I'm not playing down Darwin's role but it is a bit like saying Newton created gravity.

 

[oldbadger]

.............. God created evolution.

Hi....
There! That's a step in the tight direction..... you do acknowledge 'evolution'.

Collosians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Ok....... countless billions of years ago it all began.....
And who wrote that, exactly?

 

[Kemosloby]

Hi....
There! That's a step in the tight direction..... you do acknowledge 'evolution'.


Ok....... countless billions of years ago it all began.....
And who wrote that, exactly?

Not in it's entirety, only the parts that are true. I do not believe people came from monkeys. I do believe Apes and chimpanzees have a common ancestor, as do pugs and wolves. And even if extreme evolution is possible, so is Gods power of creation. Any combination of evolution and creation would be possible with God. Genesis describes some of both, given the nature of words carrying more than one meaning, there seem to be some word games going on to keep us guessing. So I guess it just doesn't matter, but I do not believe people came from monkeys, Or that all life crawled from a primordial ooze. I believe it is a combination of creation and evolution.

 

[In_Deepthought]

No, not Darwin. God created evolution. Darwin may have noticed some things like cross breeding and adaptation, called it evolution, and after a few puffs of the wacky weed, decided people came from monkeys. But for whatever part of evolution is true, God created at the time of creation. God created both the visible and invisible. The systems of the life cycle are a part of the creation; adaptation, survival of the fittest, luck, winning. The things people call evolution.

Collosians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

So if the creator created everything ......... Who created the creator ?

 

[Jumi]

Well this is what most Christians here in my neck of the woods used to believe, even the more fundamental types used to think theistic evolution. That was before creationism and fundamental evangelicalism from the English speaking world landed here causing new divides.

 

[Kemosloby]

So if the creator created everything ......... Who created the creator ?

We don't know and it is too difficult for us to comprehend infinity. Suppose God has always existed..it's hard to imagine.

 

[Altfish]

We don't know and it is too difficult for us to comprehend infinity. Suppose God has always existed..it's hard to imagine.

Now you are beginning to understand non-belief.
Atheists don't add that extra step 'God' into the regression. Suppose the universe had always existed?

 

[Kemosloby]

Now you are beginning to understand non-belief.
Atheists don't add that extra step 'God' into the regression. Suppose the universe had always existed?

It hasn't existed in it's present state. Anything that can be destroyed probably has not always existed.

 

[In_Deepthought]

We don't know and it is too difficult for us to comprehend infinity. Suppose God has always existed..it's hard to imagine.

If god always existed just because its hard it doesn't stop scientists and people like me wanting to try to understand, ignorance or difficulty is not an excuse this is why the people of biblical times took on religion so easily they were uneducated desert people trying to scrape a living from the sand so believe whats easy and not look at the bigger picture. Again lets believe the sun goes around the earth because its easier to believe that than do the science to prove its the other way round

 

[Kemosloby]

If god always existed just because its hard it doesn't stop scientists and people like me wanting to try to understand, ignorance or difficulty is not an excuse this is why the people of biblical times took on religion so easily they were uneducated desert people trying to scrape a living from the sand so believe whats easy and not look at the bigger picture. Again lets believe the sun goes around the earth because its easier to believe that than do the science to prove its the other way round

The bible doesn't say the sun goes around the earth. It said God created the Sun moon and stars as lights in the firmament, and for signs and seasons. For their purpose of lights, signs and seasons the perspective of Earth as it.s center is the most practical persepective. Does God care if we know everything? Probably not.