Who Do Christians Follow Paul or Jesus(pbuh)???

[Faithfreedom]

I don't know why you hate Quran--

(bold and bigger font is by me)

The Quran produces muslims. Anyone following the way of love is doing what God wants. This means moderate Muslims too. This i have no issues with. But like grasshoppers, when under certain circumstances, and when a certain critical mass is reached, they turn to become the dreaded locusts. Muslims are the same, under certain circumstances, they blow themselves up and take others along with them. Now this is what i have issues with.
Other religions (or no religion) are harmless. To these i say live and let live.

-but I challenge you to show me a single verse from Quran which is AGAINST humanity as whole---

If I show you one verse, I'm sure you can counter me with a thousand. But I am more interested in results rather than mere words. "A tree is judged by its fruits" - Jesus of Nazareth. A bad apple produced the Quran. The Quran produces rotton apples. From the day of its inception till now and i'm sure till Judgement Day: Unending Rivers of Blood.

-on the contrary this BOOK 'Quran' is sent as a guidance to mankind from creator[

The Quran is sent as a guidance to mankind to hell from the creator of chaos - Satan!

Sorry brother, i tells it like i sees it. Without fear or favor or any political correctness.

 

[Pegg]

You do not have to be a Sunni, Shiah or Sufi to be a Muslim.To be a Muslim you just need the simplest of things:

1. Declare that Allah(swt) is the one God & Muhammad(saw) was the final Messenger & Prophet.

If I told you that there was evidence that Mohammad was not a prophet, that it could be proved that he was not, would you want to know what it was?

 

[A Thousand Suns]

Sorry brother, i tells it like i sees it. Without fear or favor or any political correctness.

OHH Gezz your answers are soo pathetic & obvious , that I wont be wasting my time on replying to you anymore---All the things you cant answers are replied by
1) I don't follow all of the Bible
2) Its 'Dr. Ahmad Deedat all over again.'
3) Attack Islam

etc

 

[A Thousand Suns]

In John 14:26 Jesus states plainly "the Comforter is the Holy Spirit" Like I said before youre making Islam look like a joke.

First i find this by looking at bible 14:26


John 14:26 (New International Version)

26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Second , even if the verse you quoted was right-----then its conterdicating with Jhon 16:7 ---I already gave the explanation in my previous post about this verse

Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

So the joke is pretty much on you

 

[Faithfreedom]

OHH Gezz your answers are soo pathetic & obvious , that I wont be wasting my time on replying to you anymore---All the things you cant answers are replied by
1) I don't follow all of the Bible
2) Its 'Dr. Ahmad Deedat all over again.'
3) Attack Islam

etc

goodbye then, and have a nice day!

 

[Pegg]

26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.


Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

So the joke is pretty much on you

there is no joke. Both scriptures are referring to the holy spirit.

Jesus promised he would send a pa‧ra′kle‧tos
This is a greek word which generally applied to a person who served as a legal adviser or helper in a court which is why many modern Bible translations render pa‧ra′kle‧tos as “helper”, others render it as 'comforter'

But it is not a person.

When the holy spirit was poured out upon 120 disciples on the day of Pentecost 33ce...it appeared in the form of fire upon each of the disciples and empowered them to speak to people of other races in different languages. The Apostle Peter said that what Jesus had promised, had been received by them on that occasion
Acts 2:32 says "This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses. Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this (holy spirit) which YOU see and hear"

The verse in John even identifies the pa‧ra′kle‧tos as the 'holy spirit'
26 "But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU"

So Jesus himself said that the 'comforter' is the holy spirit...not a person, but Gods spirit...the spirit which was poured out on the disciples as recorded in the book of Acts of the Apostles.

 

[A Thousand Suns]

If I told you that there was evidence that Mohammad was not a prophet, that it could be proved that he was not, would you want to know what it was?

yes sure

also what if I give you evidence that crucifixion never occurred and according to Paul again" no Crucifixion = no Christianity"

there is no joke. Both scriptures are referring to the holy spirit.

Jesus promised he would send a pa‧ra′kle‧tos
This is a greek word which generally applied to a person who served as a legal adviser or helper in a court which is why many modern Bible translations render pa‧ra′kle‧tos as “helper”, others render it as 'comforter'

And I already replied to this and explained the complete thing

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2202011-post47.html

 

[Pegg]

yes sure

also what if I give you evidence that crucifixion never occurred and according to Paul again" no Crucifixion = no Christianity"

ok, you can give that a whirl and i'll ask you a question.

Who does the Quran say Jesus is? Is he a prophet? a man? or the Son of God?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I have to agree. Lets think about this one for a moment.

Paul never met Jesus.

Over 50 years later a dead Jesus appears to a man, (ex-pagan, roman citizen) He never met in real life.

We just have to take Paul's word on this.

It appears the multitude has done that hands down and no questions asked. Most likely due to the early church. Remember...most were illiterate at the time so having Paul's letters as if they were "scripture" people would have accepted in on (blind faith). It didn't get any better when the bible was compiled. Paul's letters were all bound together with the gospels making them appear as though they belonged.

Paul tells us to ignore the old laws and makes new ones.

Yep...and the biblical Yeshua (Explicitly) said NOT to ignore ANY of the laws nor to teach others to do it. For some reason...Christians are able to justify not following the old laws...by..YEP, you guessed it...(Paul's Letters)....

 

[A Thousand Suns]

ok, you can give that a whirl and i'll ask you a question.

Who does the Quran say Jesus is? Is he a prophet? a man? or the Son of God?

Jesus(pbuh) was just a Prophet(pbuh) like other prophets who had came and gone----He never claimed divinity----Allah tells us in The glorious Quran

The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are." (Qur'an 5:72)


And Jesus(pbuh) told us the same in Bible that he was just a Messenger of God

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."

[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

 

[A Thousand Suns]

"Those who give partners (to God) will say: "If God had wished, we should not have given partners to Him nor would our fathers; nor should we have had any taboos." So did their ancestors argue falsely, until they tasted of Our wrath. Say: "Have ye any (certain) knowledge? If so, produce it before us. Ye follow nothing but conjecture: ye do nothing but lie." (The Noble Quran, 6:148)"

 

[Pegg]

Jesus(pbuh) was just a Prophet(pbuh) like other prophets who had came and gone----He never claimed divinity----Allah tells us in The glorious Quran

The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are." (Qur'an 5:72)


And Jesus(pbuh) told us the same in Bible that he was just a Messenger of God

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."

[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

ok. So Jesus was like Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah Etc....these were all men...all children of Adam just as you and I are. You have a human father and I have a human father.

However, Jesus had no human father. He was not a son of Adam. At Surah 19 (Mary). It says: “We sent to [Mary] Our spirit in the semblance of a full-grown man. And when she saw him she said: ‘May the Merciful defend me from you! If you fear the Lord, leave me and go your way.’ ‘I am the messenger of your Lord,’ he replied, ‘and have come to give you a holy son.’ ‘How shall I bear a child,’ she answered, ‘when I am a virgin, untouched by man?’ ‘Such is the will of your Lord,’ he replied. ‘That is no difficult thing for Him. “He shall be a sign to mankind,” says the Lord, “and a blessing from Ourself. This is Our decree.”’”

Mary was made pregnant by God himself. This means that Jesus father was God...not any man. So Jesus was MORE then the other prophets. Here you have a contradiction in the Quran.
Quran 5:72 says that Jesus was just a messenger like any other messenger....but at Surah 19 it tells us of the miraculous conception of Mary by God himself.

Without a human father, Jesus is much more then a mere messenger. He said that he had existed before Abraham was born John 8:58 “I existed before Abraham was born!”

He existed with God in heaven as the only begotten Son of God
John 3:13, 17-18 states: "“No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.”...For God sent forth his Son into the world, ...the only-begotten Son of God."

Jesus also testified himself that God was his father...not any man, but God - Matthew 10:32 “Everyone, then, that confesses union with me before men, I will also confess union with him before my Father who is in the heavens"


Now by your own logic, a true prophet cannot lie and he cannot tell falsehood. This is why you believe Mohammad...because a prophet cannot lie and you believe Mohammad to be a prophet.

Mohammad believed that Jesus was a prophet, so Jesus also could not have lied about his identity. When Jesus said that God was his father, then he must have been telling the truth.

If you do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, then Mohammad could not have been a true prophet because Jesus must have been telling a lie when he said he was the Son of God. That in turn makes Mohammad wrong and therefore not a prophet either.

 

[A Thousand Suns]

ok. So Jesus was like Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah Etc....these were all men...all children of Adam just as you and I are. You have a human father and I have a human father.

However, Jesus had no human father. He was not a son of Adam. At Surah 19 (Mary). It says: “We sent to [Mary] Our spirit in the semblance of a full-grown man. And when she saw him she said: ‘May the Merciful defend me from you! If you fear the Lord, leave me and go your way.’ ‘I am the messenger of your Lord,’ he replied, ‘and have come to give you a holy son.’ ‘How shall I bear a child,’ she answered, ‘when I am a virgin, untouched by man?’ ‘Such is the will of your Lord,’ he replied. ‘That is no difficult thing for Him. “He shall be a sign to mankind,” says the Lord, “and a blessing from Ourself. This is Our decree.”’”


Mary was made pregnant by God himself. This means that Jesus father was God...not any man. So Jesus was MORE then the other prophets. Here you have a contradiction in the Quran.
Quran 5:72 says that Jesus was just a messenger like any other messenger....but at Surah 19 it tells us of the miraculous conception of Mary by God himself.

This was a miracle given by God that Virgin Mary(As), had a SON without any male intervention

God had given other miracles to Jesus(pbuh) too for example Quran mention

“I create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with God’s permission.” (Quran 3:49)

“I also heal the blind and the leper.” (Quran 3:49)

“I inform you too of what things you eat, and what you store up in your houses. Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.” (Quran 3:49)

But point to noted is that it is no different from Miracles given to other Messenger's of God

Without a human father, Jesus is much more then a mere messenger.

Its nothing new , according to Bible and Quran, Adam(pbuh) was born without a father and mother----So according to that logic , he should be bigger god than Jesus

He said that he had existed before Abraham was born John 8:58 “I existed before Abraham was born!”

It just proves that he was born before Abraham----besides I never said Bible is Error free

The high scholars of bible say 'bible is a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy' the original manuscript has been lost-----it no longer the Book 'Injeel' revealed to Jesus(pbuh)----thats is why God sent Quran

Its mentioned in Quran That it confirms the law before it and corrects whats falsely added to those scriptures:

"To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; (The Noble Quran, 5:48)"

"That which We have revealed to thee of the Book is the Truth,- confirming what was (revealed) before it: for God is assuredly- with respect to His Servants - well acquainted and Fully Observant. (The Noble Quran, 35:31)"

He existed with God in heaven as the only begotten Son of God
John 3:13, 17-18 states: "“No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.”...For God sent forth his Son into the world, ...the only-begotten Son of God."

Begetting is a animal act---thats why this word 'begotten' is removed from the 'New Revised Edition' of bible

John 3:13 (New International Version)

"13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man"

Jesus also testified himself that God was his father...not any man, but God - Matthew 10:32 “Everyone, then, that confesses union with me before men, I will also confess union with him before my Father who is in the heavens"

I agree with the statement "Jesus is the Son of God," And " my Father who is in the heavens"

according to bible Prophets like Moses,Adam,David (pbuh all) were sons of god

Actually according to bible anyone who follows god is the son of god

Bible 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God

If you do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, then Mohammad could not have been a true prophet because Jesus must have been telling a lie when he said he was the Son of God. That in turn makes Mohammad wrong and therefore not a prophet either.

In the complete bible you wont find a single verse where Jesus(pbuh) himself says:

1)I am god
2)Worship me

I already showed it to you that jesus(pbuh) said ---there is one God---he is greater than all

(Mk 12:29)"Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one"
"My Father is greater than all."[The Bible, John 10:29]

And you'll have to agree with the fact that Bible has been fabricated but point to be noted is that the Words of Jesus(pbuh) will never contradict the word of Allah/God

 

[Pegg]

This was a miracle given by God that Virgin Mary(As), had a SON without any male intervention
God had given other miracles to Jesus(pbuh) too for example Quran mention

But point to noted is that it is no different from Miracles given to other Messenger's of God

There was no other person who was born from a virgin. Jesus is unique in that way. It makes God his father and no one else.

It just proves that he was born before Abraham----besides I never said Bible is Error free

Did you think about what that means?
Abraham lived 2,000 years before Jesus....if Jesus was alive when Abraham was born, where was Jesus living? He was living with God in heaven as a spirit. that is why he could say that he 'descended from the heavens'

The high scholars of bible say 'bible is a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy' the original manuscript has been lost-----it no longer the Book 'Injeel' revealed to Jesus(pbuh)----thats is why God sent Quran

If it were true that the Hebrew scriptures were falsified somehow, how is it that when they found the 'dead sea scrolls' and compared them to what we have today, there was no difference except for a few minor spelling errors and word duplications? Did you know that the dead sea scrolls are dated to the 2BCE. Do you realise that 2BCE is 900 years before Mohammad existed?
Do you understand that this means that the Hebrew scriptures which Mohammad was reading in 700CE were in fact accurate? And they still are accurate today.

Its mentioned in Quran That it confirms the law before it and corrects whats falsely added to those scriptures:

"To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: ... The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; (The Noble Quran, 5:48)"

"That which We have revealed to thee of the Book is the Truth,- confirming what was (revealed) before it: for God is assuredly- with respect to His Servants - well acquainted and Fully Observant. (The Noble Quran, 35:31)"

I can tell you that the Quran contradicts the bible on many counts...it even contradicts itself which is proof that it was not inspired or directed by God because God does not contradict himself.
And why is it that Moses and all the Old Testament writes openly used Gods personal name, but Mohammad did not. All true prophets that come from YWHY/Yahweh/Jah/Jehovah use the name of Jehovah....but Mohammad never did. Can you explain why not?

Also, it was specifically the Trinity teaching which Mohammad objected to. So tell me why he did not also know about the other incorrect teachings that the christians and jews had adopted into their religions? Do you know the ones I speak of? There are several of them...one is the Trinity which Mohammad correctly identified as a falsehood. But what about the others? Why would God send a prophet to correct false teachings, but fail to correct all the false teachings that had crept in?

I can tell you right now that many of the false teachings i speak of are also taught in Islam. If you'd like more info on what these teachings are please let me know and I'll provide them to you.

Begetting is a animal act---thats why this word 'begotten' is removed from the 'New Revised Edition' of bible
John 3:13 (New International Version)
"13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man"

The same term is applied in several other places to children. The Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12; 8:41, 42; 9:38

So, to be 'only begotten' means to be the only 'child' of someone. The Greek Septuagint uses the word mo‧no‧ge‧nes′ and it means 'only child' of a parent.

This same word is applied to Jesus because he is the only child of God. God directly created Jesus, whereas all other living beings came into existence through Jesus. And this does not mean that Jesus is God Almighty. I, like you, do not believe that Jesus is God.

Jesus is not equal to God, he is not the same person as God...he is not part of a trinity. Jesus is Gods son and this means that he is not God.

 

[smokydot]

There was no other person who was born from a virgin. Jesus is unique in that way. It makes God his father and no one else.
Did you think about what that means?
Abraham lived 2,000 years before Jesus....if Jesus was alive when Abraham was born, where was Jesus living? He was living with God in heaven as a spirit. that is why he could say that he 'descended from the heavens'
If it were true that the Hebrew scriptures were falsified somehow, how is it that when they found the 'dead sea scrolls' and compared them to what we have today, there was no difference except for a few minor spelling errors and word duplications? Did you know that the dead sea scrolls are dated to the 2BCE. Do you realise that 2BCE is 900 years before Mohammad existed?
Do you understand that this means that the Hebrew scriptures which Mohammad was reading in 700CE were in fact accurate? And they still are accurate today.
I can tell you that the Quran contradicts the bible on many counts...it even contradicts itself which is proof that it was not inspired or directed by God because God does not contradict himself.
And why is it that Moses and all the Old Testament writes openly used Gods personal name, but Mohammad did not. All true prophets that come from YWHY/Yahweh/Jah/Jehovah use the name of Jehovah....but Mohammad never did. Can you explain why not?
Also, it was specifically the Trinity teaching which Mohammad objected to. So tell me why he did not also know about the other incorrect teachings that the christians and jews had adopted into their religions? Do you know the ones I speak of? There are several of them...one is the Trinity which Mohammad correctly identified as a falsehood. But what about the others? Why would God send a prophet to correct false teachings, but fail to correct all the false teachings that had crept in?
I can tell you right now that many of the false teachings i speak of are also taught in Islam. If you'd like more info on what these teachings are please let me know and I'll provide them to you.
The same term is applied in several other places to children. The Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12; 8:41, 42; 9:38
So, to be 'only begotten' means to be the only 'child' of someone. The Greek Septuagint uses the word mo‧no‧ge‧nes′ and it means 'only child' of a parent.
This same word is applied to Jesus because he is the only child of God. God directly created Jesus, whereas all other living beings came into existence through Jesus. And this does not mean that Jesus is God Almighty. I, like you, do not believe that Jesus is God.
Jesus is not equal to God, he is not the same person as God...he is not part of a trinity. Jesus is Gods son and this means that he is not God.

But he who has seen Jesus has seen God. (Jn 14:9)

And the teachers of the law who saw, heard and experienced Jesus understood him to be claiming he was God. (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7)
They said he was blaspheming, and had him killed.

How are these consistent with Jesus not being God.?

 

[smokydot]

The account is written in such a way that it can be seen as more figurative than literal.

Seeing as it supposedly happened after Jesus was Crucified and Paul spent most of his time persecuting followers of Christ, it's not that hard a leap to imagine he had suffered some sort of psychological or physiological attack.

That's a matter of belief in the Scriptures, including the NT, as the Word of God.
Those who believe, believe what it says.
Those who don't believe wrestle with and distort the Scriptures to their own destruction. (2 Pe 3:16)

 

[smokydot]

The thing is, having faith in God is much more comforting to me than having faith in Paul for my salvation.

Paul would turn over in his grave at your thought of having faith in him.
Paul's faith was in Jesus Christ.
Without faith in Jesus Christ, there is no salvation.

 

[A Thousand Suns]

There was no other person who was born from a virgin. Jesus is unique in that way. It makes God his father and no one else.

Every miracle given to each messenger are unique from others , this doesn't make one miracle superior from other----Like I said before Adam(pbuh) didn't had both Mother or Father ----according to your logic this makes Adam(pbuh) superior to Jesus(pbuh)

Did you think about what that means?
Abraham lived 2,000 years before Jesus....if Jesus was alive when Abraham was born, where was Jesus living? He was living with God in heaven as a spirit. that is why he could say that he 'descended from the heavens'

According to Islam all humans existed before this life----this doesn't prove anything-------If Jesus(pbuh) was truly god/real son of god he would have explicitly spoken of it, but thats not the case----He didnt said this even once----If paul got something wrong it doesn't means , jesus actually said that

If it were true that the Hebrew scriptures were falsified somehow, how is it that when they found the 'dead sea scrolls' and compared them to what we have today, there was no difference except for a few minor spelling errors and word duplications? Did you know that the dead sea scrolls are dated to the 2BCE. Do you realise that 2BCE is 900 years before Mohammad existed?
Do you understand that this means that the Hebrew scriptures which Mohammad was reading in 700CE were in fact accurate? And they still are accurate today.

Thats a complete lie---the world oldest Bible which is 1600 years old doesn't matches 'todays' bible according to a report of CNN

http://www.smalllinks.com/OV2
http://www.smalllinks.com/OV3

Also all the Bible today not only contradict each other but contradict themselves

This is what is written in the opening page of New Revised Standard Version

"King James Version has serious defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of biblical studies and the discovery of many biblical manuscripts more ancient than those on which the King James Version was based made it apparent that these defects were so many as to call for revision."

Even for the sake of argument that bible isn't corrupted that means the Historical,Mathematical,Scientific errors in bible shows that god is lying to us

Also you need to get your history correct, The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. - about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.

I can tell you that the Quran contradicts the bible on many counts...it even contradicts itself which is proof that it was not inspired or directed by God because God does not contradict himself.

"Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy." Quran 4:82

Arabic is a complex language for most English speaking people and it's been proven time and time again through debates with Christians and Atheist by Muslim scholars that there are NO contradictions or mistakes in Al Quran :yes:

Also, it was specifically the Trinity teaching which Mohammad objected to. So tell me why he did not also know about the other incorrect teachings that the christians and jews had adopted into their religions? Do you know the ones I speak of? There are several of them...one is the Trinity which Mohammad correctly identified as a falsehood. But what about the others? Why would God send a prophet to correct false teachings, but fail to correct all the false teachings that had crept in?

First , Trinity isn't present in Bible itself , it was just a assumption made by paul , which Christians today follow it blindly

Second , like I said before teachings of Jesus(pbuh) and Muhammd(pbuh) will never contradict , the things which were falsely added into bible is corrected in Quran

I can tell you right now that many of the false teachings i speak of are also taught in Islam. If you'd like more info on what these teachings are please let me know and I'll provide them to you.

Your assumptions doesn't substitute for the truth---but you can give it a try

The same term is applied in several other places to children. The Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12; 8:41, 42; 9:38

A human can have a begotten son/daughter but not God-----God never begets

[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

"Say: He is Allah,The One and Only.Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.He begets not, nor is He begotten.And there is none like unto Him."

 

[smokydot]

Over the years, i come to realise that Muslims and Christians can use the same word but with a different meaning in each other minds. When Muslims say they follow the Quran, it means they literally follow word for word what it says because that is the literal word of Allah ad-verbatim. But when Christians say they follow Jesus, they mean they follow the Jesus in their hearts, whom they have a personal relationship with, whom the Holy Spirit have made real to them. Christians use the bible only as a guideline. We are not slave chained to every word in the bible as muslims are to their Quran. Jesus actually speaks to Christians in their hearts. The Holy Spirit in Christians confirms it to the Christian. This is what Christians mean when they say they follow Jesus Christ. What i say will ring a chord in Christians. Muslims have no hope of understanding this. It is beyond them. It is this thing that feeds and sustains Christians.
Christians' love for Jesus is not fake. It is real because we feel it deep within our souls.

Don't forget obedience to his commands (Jn 14:15).

Ok, what did your Jesus(pbuh) of the Quran actually teach?
Did he teach:
"Few Examples
1)We don't drink Alcohol just like bible says
2)We don't have poke just like bible says
3)We believe in One GOD and the same God to who Jesus worshiped"
Well, my Jesus of the bible taught that its ok to drink alcohol but not to the extent that we get drunk. Why, he even turn water into the best wine at a wedding. He even drank some wine before his farewell, promising his disciples that he will not drink wine again until his disciples are again together with him in his Father's house.
Jesus says it is not what goes into a person that defiles them. It is what comes out of their hearts that defiles them. (hatred, anger, lust,jealousies, put your 7 deadly sins here, etc...). Thus Jesus declared that all foods were permissible.
I also "believe in One GOD and the same God to who Jesus worshiped". Most Christians do not ponder on what the bible actually teaches. One example is Col 1:15 to 16 "He (Jesus) is the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things were created by him and for him."

Your view of Jesus Christ is woefully insufficient.

As a firstborn (chief), Jesus Christ is the pre-eminent firstborn:
1) He created all things out of nothing, visible and invisible; he is the Creator, not a creature, the pre-eminent firstborn (chief) over creation.
2) All things were created for him; he is the end, as well as the cause of all things.
3) He is before all things, he is the Word who was with God in the beginning, he had a being before all time.
4) In him all things hold together, he not only created them all at first, but it is by the word of his power that they are still upheld.
5) He is the head of the church, his body; all grace and strength are derived from him.
6) He is the beginning of the new creation, the firstborn from the dead (resurrection), the head of the resurrection; i.e., the only one to rise by his own power.
7) He has pre-eminence in everything.
8) In him all the fullnes of the Godhead dwells bodily. -

Jesus is a creation. Therefore Jesus is NOT God. (but God has given him so much power that Jesus seems to us like a mighty god (not almighty though).
God created him first before anything else. ("the firstborn over all creation")
Hence Jesus is also referred to as "the only begotton Son of God". That is to say, Jesus was the only one that God personally created with his own hands, so to speak. Nothing else has that honor. After being created, Jesus personally created everything else that was on God's mind (ie "by him all things were created"). Yes, by all things, i mean that even time itself was created by Jesus according to the will of God his father/creator.

Christians show our respect to Jesus by obeying him. He does not need our wishes of Peace because he is the Prince of Peace. It is us who need HIS peace. On the other hand Mohammad definately need all your supplications for his peace due to the ernormous amount of blood guilt on his hand which happened while he was alive and also for the blood guilt committed by his rightly guided followers as a result of following his teachings after he was dead.

Again, your Jesus(pbuh) of the Quran is NOT the same as my Jesus of the Bible!

 

[Pegg]

But he who has seen Jesus has seen God. (Jn 14:9)

And the teachers of the law who saw, heard and experienced Jesus understood him to be claiming he was God. (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7)
They said he was blaspheming, and had him killed.

How are these consistent with Jesus not being God.?

Im sure you know that there are verses that appear to say Jesus was God such as 'he who has seen me has seen the father'
but we have to take all scripture into account in order to understand the meaning of ones like this.

In the OT, God never said he was coming as the Messiah, but he did say he would 'send' a messiah. God never claimed that he would be the Messiah in the OT either so its unreasonable to claim that the Messiah was God Almighty.

Then we have to ask why would Jesus have called himself the 'Son' of God over and over again. If he wanted people to recognize him as God, why not just come out and say it plainly? He never did that, he only ever claimed to be the Son.

Now read John 14. Jesus had just finished telling the disciples that they would
2 In the house of my Father there are many abodes. Otherwise, I would have told YOU, because I am going my way to prepare a place for YOU...4 And where I am going YOU know the way.” 5 Thomas said to him: “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How do we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Jesus had just said his fathers house had many abodes and he was going there to prepare a place for them. Notice how Thomas asked how to get to where the father is? What do you think Jesus had in mind when he answered
7 If YOU men had known me, YOU would have known my Father also;

The way to the father was by living as Jesus lived because Jesus was in union with his father. Only by being in union with the father could they make their way into heaven.

Jesus was so in union with his father that he could say that seeing Jesus was like seeing God....later we also hear Paul say that Christ is “the reflection of [God’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being.” Heb 1:1-3
This explains why Jesus said in vs9 “Have I been with YOU men so long a time, and yet, Philip, you have not come to know me? He that has seen me has seen the Father [also]. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

and now here is the real context in how Jesus was identifying himself with the father:
10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me?



the Jews objected to the fact that Jesus claimed to have lived before Abraham...this implied to them that Jesus must be claiming to be a supernatural person...that he was more then a human. They said he 'makes himself equal to God' by claiming that he is Gods Son. They reasoned among themselves that Jesus could not be supernatural because they said "is not his mother and brothers and sisters among us, is this not the carpenters son?" And then when he told them that he was "not from this world" they concluded that he was saying he was from heaven which made him a spirit person...but this they refused to believe and instead accused him of blasphemy.

Think also of the illustration he gave about the Vineyard owner:

33 “Hear another illustration: There was a man (God Jehovah), a householder, who planted a vineyard ...34 When the season of the fruits came around, he dispatched his slaves (Prophets) to the cultivators (Priests) to get his fruits. 35 However, the cultivators took his slaves, and one they beat up, another they killed, another they stoned. ... 37 Lastly he dispatched his son (Jesus) to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 On seeing the son the cultivators said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and get his inheritance!’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. ...
45 Now when the chief priests and the Pharisees had heard his illustrations, they took note that he was speaking about them"

This illustration plainly shows that the vineyard owner was not the son and the son was not the vineyard owner. Jesus made clear that he was not God Jehovah.