Who embarked Isra/Mir'aj-Prophet Muhammad or Moses?

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There are few points in those verses which all are directing towards a single conclusion :

01. The verse says HE ( or he) descended from the highest point of horizon nearer to Prophet Muhammad not Prophet ascended from the highest point of horizon toward HE ( or he) . Hence it happened on the face of the earth and not in the heaven.

No. According to other verses, Prophet went towards the Gabriel, not Gabriel towards him.
Allah says,
It[ Quran or whatever Prophet says ] is indeed the speech of a noble Messenger[ i.e., Gabriel ], (19) powerful and eminent with the Lord of the Throne, (20) one who is obeyed and is trustworthy as well. (21) Your companion[ Prophet Muhammad ] is not crazy: (22) certainly he[ Prophet ] saw him[ Gabriel ] on the manifest horizon, (23) and he is not miserly concerning the Unseen. (24)And it is not the speech of an outcast Satan. (25)

Prophet saw Gabriel on the manifest horizon. So, it was Prophet who went towards the highest horizon.
Hence it happened in the heaven and not on the face of the earth.

02.The context of the of verse is the revelation of Qur'an and Qur'an was brought down to Prophet Muhammad to this earth . Ref. 26:193 ,29:46, 97:04 etc.

Verses does not imply that their context is the revelation of Qur'an. In addition, as I proved, Prophet went to the heavens, not the reverse.

03. Jannah doesn't necessarily means always Paradise or heaven . It also means a simple garden that human can possess . Ref. 6:99,6:141,13:4,34:15 etc.

04. The noun 'Mawa' attached to Jannah in verse 53:15 simply means abode , shelter , home-stead etc. Note that Almighty GOD used the same word to confirm that HE gave shelter/home to Prophet Muhammad and did a favor for him . Ref.93:6.

It is not only Jannah in the verse. It is Jannah Al-Ma'wa and Allah says that only the Eden is the Jannah Al-Ma'wa. Allah says,
1.As for those who believed and did righteous deeds, for them will be[ in Hearafter ] the Gardens of Refuge( Jannat Al-Ma'wa ) as accommodation for what they used to do[ in Donya, this word ]. (19)
2.But as for he who feared the position of his Lord and prevented the soul from [unlawful] inclination, (40) Then indeed, Paradise( Jannah ) will be [his] refuge( Al-Ma'wa ). (41)

05. Lote trees are also grown in peoples' garden . Ref.34:16

Your reference does not make any sense. It is about a torment. But that of Prophet was a great blessing and was in the Jannah Al-Ma'wa[ Eden, Garden of Refuge ].

Keeping the attention in Qur'an only , all what mentioned above conclude that the incident was an earthly one .

Rejected!

 

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The last point to share with you .....

Definition of Horizon

"The horizon or skyline is the apparent line that separates earth from sky, the line that divides all visible directions into two categories: those that intersect the Earth's surface, and those that do not."

[081:023] And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon.

[053:007] While he was in the highest part of the horizon:

 

[mojtaba]

The last point to share with you .....

Definition of Horizon

"The horizon or skyline is the apparent line that separates earth from sky, the line that divides all visible directions into two categories: those that intersect the Earth's surface, and those that do not."


[081:023] And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon.

[053:007] While he was in the highest part of the horizon:

Quran says that Prophet Muhammad went to the Paradise of Refuge and according to the verses 32:19 and 79:41, the Paradise of Refuge is not on the earth.

And he[ Prophet ] certainly saw him in another descent (13) At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary - (14) around it is the Paradise of Refuge (15)
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[17:82] And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss.

 

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Quran says that Prophet Muhammad went to the Paradise of Refuge and according to the verses 32:19 and 79:41, the Paradise of Refuge is not on the earth.

And he[ Prophet ] certainly saw him in another descent (13) At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary - (14) around it is the Paradise of Refuge (15)
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[17:82] And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss.

It was shown to you with reference of Qur'an that Lote tree was in the garden at Prophet's home . The rest of the story of Prophet flying with an animal through the space was a fantasy movie .

 

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Narrated Malik bin Sasaa: The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief. Al-buraq, a white animal, smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me and I set out with Gabriel. When I reached the nearest heaven....[Bukhari-54.429]

 

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You are wrong. According to the ff verses, Prophet was informed about an unseen knowledge which we can not find it in Quran.

In the Name of Allah, the All-beneficent, the All-merciful.O [dear] Prophet! Why do you disallow [yourself] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is all-forgiving, all-merciful. (1) Allah has certainly made lawful for you the dissolution of your oaths, and Allah is your master and He is the All-knowing, the All-wise. (2) When the Prophet confided a matter to one of his wives, but when she divulged it [instead of guarding the secret] and Allah apprised him[ Prophet ] about it, he acquainted [her] with part of the matter and ignored part of it. So when he told her about it, she said, ‘Who informed you about it?’ He said, ‘The All-knowing and the All-aware has informed me.’ (3)

Search quran till the ِDay of Resurrection. You can not find that knowledge of unseen which Allah informed Prophet, in Quran.

Do you mind to check the form of the verb عرف ? It is in form II . It means "Made Known ( by others)" by friends , family , slaves etc. It was not a revelation from Almighty GOD rather GOD made some one to inform the Prophet about it , technically .

 

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Do you mind to check the form of the verb عرف ? It is in form II . It means "Made Known ( by others)" by friends , family , slaves etc. It was not a revelation from Almighty GOD rather GOD made some one to inform the Prophet about it , technically .

No. Not عرف. عرف is the doing of Prophet. He informd one of his wives about what she did.

The ff part is about the revealation of a unseen knowledge to the Prophet, which is not in Holy Quran, نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ, The All-knowing and the All-aware[ Allah ] has informed me.[ Quran, 66:3 ]

 

[mojtaba]

It was shown to you with reference of Qur'an that Lote tree was in the garden at Prophet's home . The rest of the story of Prophet flying with an animal through the space was a fantasy movie .

You shown nothing and I shown your fallacies in the post #41.

So, is the story of the Namlah( Ant ) a fantasy movie?!!!

When they came to the Valley of Ants, an ant said, ‘O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Solomon and his hosts should trample on you while they are unaware.’ (18)

If we think like you, an ant can not recognise that that man is Solomon and this verse is [ Na'uzooBillah ] a fantasy movie.

And what about the Hod Hod?
[One day] he[ Solomon ] reviewed the birds, and said, ‘Why do I not see the hoopoe? Or is he absent?’ (20) ‘I will punish him with a severe punishment, or I will behead him, unless he brings me a credible excuse.’ (21) He [hoopoe] did not stay for long [before he turned up] and said, ‘I have alighted on something which you have not alighted on, and I have brought you from Sheba a definite report. (22)I found a woman ruling over them, and she has been given everything, and she has a great throne. (23) I found her and her people prostrating to the sun instead of Allah, and Satan has made their deeds seem decorous to them—thus he has barred them from the way [of Allah], so they are not guided— (24)

According to your manner and belief, is this another fantasy movie in Holy Quran?!!!

What about Solomon himself?

And for Solomon [We subjected] the wind: its morning course was a month’s journey and its evening course was a month’s journey. [34:12]

 

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Didn't u see the original verse

The original verse is clearly has this word : مسجد الحرام

And this is is in mecca and prophet moses had never been in mecca as far as I know

الإسراء
سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي أَسْرَىٰ بِعَبْدِهِ لَيْلًا مِّنَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ إِلَى الْمَسْجِدِ الْأَقْصَى الَّذِي بَارَكْنَا حَوْلَهُ لِنُرِيَهُ مِنْ آيَاتِنَا إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ
Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing. (1)

 

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No. Not عرف. عرف is the doing of Prophet. He informd one of his wives about what she did.

The ff part is about the revealation of a unseen knowledge to the Prophet, which is not in Holy Quran, نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ, The All-knowing and the All-aware[ Allah ] has informed me.[ Quran, 66:3 ]

Grammatically , the red part is the doing of ALLAH swt and the blue part is of Prophet :

66:3 وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَهُ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّفَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَضَ عَن بَعْضٍ ۖ فَلَمَّا
نَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖ قَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ

 

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You shown nothing and I proved your fallacies in the post #41.

You have per-determined mind to read the Qur'an . As Hadith and Tafsir said that these verses are all about Mir'aj , hence you won't look into the real message of the Qur'an . You have decided your mind before even reading it . So you can't see the truth though it is clear like daylight .

These verses clearly predict a venue to be horizon and below the horizon which without a doubt on the face of the earth , hence Jannah , Mawa , Sidarat etc. should be understood to an earthly environment . This understating is perfectly matching with logic , science and as well as with message of the Qur'an .

So, is the story of the Namlah( Ant ) a fantasy movie?!!!

When they came to the Valley of Ants, an ant said, ‘O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Solomon and his hosts should trample on you while they are unaware.’ (18)

If we think like you, an ant can not recognise that that man is Solomon and this verse is [ Na'uzooBillah ] a fantasy movie.

Intelligent in ants are real surprise among the scientists . They are pioneer to so many of their species in communication , identification , navigation and actions in their life phases . Hence it can't be blown in the wind that an ant is not able to identify her enemy by name if she would hear the name so many times in her vicinity . Her intelligence of word capturing can produce similar sound to her fellow ants to warn them . No wonder in it at all .

And what about the Hod Hod?
[One day] he[ Solomon ] reviewed the birds, and said, ‘Why do I not see the hoopoe? Or is he absent?’ (20) ‘I will punish him with a severe punishment, or I will behead him, unless he brings me a credible excuse.’ (21) He [hoopoe] did not stay for long [before he turned up] and said, ‘I have alighted on something which you have not alighted on, and I have brought you from Sheba a definite report. (22)I found a woman ruling over them, and she has been given everything, and she has a great throne. (23) I found her and her people prostrating to the sun instead of Allah, and Satan has made their deeds seem decorous to them—thus he has barred them from the way [of Allah], so they are not guided— (24)

According to your manner and belief, is this another fantasy movie in Holy Quran?!!!

There is no contradiction with science and nature that animals can communicate with one another and with human as well . Birds are even more intelligent in this action . Talking birds are available everywhere whose linguistic communication with human are fascinating and well comprehensive .

What about Solomon himself?

And for Solomon [We subjected] the wind: its morning course was a month’s journey and its evening course was a month’s journey. [34:12]

Speed ? What so surprise about it ?

 

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Didn't u see the original verse

The original verse is clearly has this word : مسجد الحرام

And this is is in mecca and prophet moses had never been in mecca as far as I know

الإسراء
سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي أَسْرَىٰ بِعَبْدِهِ لَيْلًا مِّنَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ إِلَى الْمَسْجِدِ الْأَقْصَى الَّذِي بَارَكْنَا حَوْلَهُ لِنُرِيَهُ مِنْ آيَاتِنَا إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ
Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing. (1)

There were two Qiblahs in Qur'an , one during Prophet Moses' time and the other was in Prophet Muhammad's era . It also implies that there were two Masjid Al-Haram in their perspective era .

 

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Grammatically , the red part is the doing of ALLAH swt and the blue part is of Prophet :

66:3 وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَهُ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّفَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَضَ عَن بَعْضٍ ۖ فَلَمَّانَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖ قَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِیر

No. This is not corrct. Indeed, Prophet said to the Hafsa a secret and said to her not to inform others about that secret. But Hafsa said it to Aesha and two of them planned against Prophet( 66:4 if you support one another against him ). So, Allah revealed the doing of Hafsa and also their planing against him to the Prophet. Prophet said to Hafsa what she did, but Prophet did not said to Hafsa whatever Allah revealed to him and made known part of it( the revealation ), and turned aside from part. Therefore, When Prophet informed Hafsa about what Allah revealed to him about her doing which she did with Aesha, Hafsa became surprised and then said to Prophet that who informed you about this. Then Prophet answered that Allah informed me about it[ by revealation ], Who intrinsically knows the Unseen.

See the translations of Qara'i, Saheeh international, Arberry, etc. All the translators have translated the verb عرف as a doing of Prophet.

And when the Prophet confided to one of his wives a certain matter; and then, when she told of it, and God disclosed that to him, he made known part of it[ to Hafsa ], and turned aside from part; therefore, when he told her of it, she said, 'Who told thee this?' He said, 'I was told of it by the All-knowing, the All-aware.'

وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَهُ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّفَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَضَ عَن بَعْضٍ فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖقَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ​

 

[mojtaba]

You have per-determined mind to read the Qur'an . As Hadith and Tafsir said that these verses are all about Mir'aj , hence you won't look into the real message of the Qur'an . You have decided your mind before even reading it . So you can't see the truth though it is clear like daylight .

These verses clearly predict a venue to be horizon and below the horizon which without a doubt on the face of the earth , hence Jannah , Mawa , Sidarat etc. should be understood to an earthly environment . This understating is perfectly matching with logic , science and as well as with message of the Qur'an .

I can not accept this. Also, Prophet did not go to the space. He went to the Malakut of the heavens and see their Malakut. Allah says about Abraham, 'So We were showing Abraham the Malakut of the heavens and earth, that he might be of those having sure faith. 6:75]. Science can not talk about the Malakut. Logic can not reject it, rather proves it( See the sayings of Mulla Sadra, one of the greatest Islamic philosopher, about the Mi'raj ). Also, Quran proves it as it says that Prophet went to the Paradise of Refuge and also it says that the Paradise of Refuge is not on the earth(See post #41).

Intelligent in ants are real surprise among the scientists . They are pioneer to so many of their species in communication , identification , navigation and actions in their life phases . Hence it can't be blown in the wind that an ant is not able to identify her enemy by name if she would hear the name so many times in her vicinity . Her intelligence of word capturing can produce similar sound to her fellow ants to warn them . No wonder in it at all .

Lol! I am a biologist and I can not accept your saying. An ant can not recognise that a human is Solomon or another one. Yes, they can do some amazing doings and this is because they live collectively, but they never can recognise that he is Jack or she is Rose.

There is no contradiction with science and nature that animals can communicate with one another and with human as well . Birds are even more intelligent in this action . Talking birds are available everywhere whose linguistic communication with human are fascinating and well comprehensive .

As a biologist, I can not accept that a bird can creat such that sentences which Primates like Gorillas can not do. Yes, some birds can mimic the spoken language of humans, but they can not creat a sentence without mimicing. Also, Hod Hod( Hoopoe ) is not between them.

Speed ? What so surprise about it ?

Prophet Muhammad like Solomon went from Masjid Al-Haram to the Masjidul Aqsa during some parts of a night, an action which is named Isra. Then He went to the Malakut of the heavens and see some greatest Signs of his Lord, a doing which is named Mi'raj.

What is wrong with you?

 

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No. This is not corrct. Indeed, Prophet said to the Hafsa a secret and said to her not to inform others about that secret. But Hafsa said it to Aesha and two of them planned against Prophet( 66:4 if you support one another against him ). So, Allah revealed the doing of Hafsa and also their planing against him to the Prophet. Prophet said to Hafsa what she did, but Prophet did not said to Hafsa whatever Allah revealed to him and made known part of it( the revealation ), and turned aside from part. Therefore, When Prophet informed Hafsa about what Allah revealed to him about her doing which she did with Aesha, Hafsa became surprised and then said to Prophet that who informed you about this. Then Prophet answered that Allah informed me about it[ by revealation ], Who intrinsically knows the Unseen.

See the translations of Qara'i, Saheeh international, Arberry, etc. All the translators have translated the verb عرف as a doing of Prophet.

And when the Prophet confided to one of his wives a certain matter; and then, when she told of it, and God disclosed that to him, he made known part of it[ to Hafsa ], and turned aside from part; therefore, when he told her of it, she said, 'Who told thee this?' He said, 'I was told of it by the All-knowing, the All-aware.'

وَإِذْ أَسَرَّ النَّبِيُّ إِلَىٰ بَعْضِ أَزْوَاجِهِ حَدِيثًا فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَتْ بِهِ وَأَظْهَرَهُ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِ عَرَّفَ بَعْضَهُ وَأَعْرَضَ عَن بَعْضٍ فَلَمَّا نَبَّأَهَا بِهِ قَالَتْ مَنْ أَنبَأَكَ هَـٰذَا ۖقَالَ نَبَّأَنِيَ الْعَلِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ​

As I told you earlier that you read Qur'an with predetermined mind , hence you won't able to get what is originally conveyed by ALLAH swt verbatim . I can't help you help feeling sorry for you bro ....

 

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I can not accept this. Also, Prophet did not went to the space. He went to the Malakut of the heavens and see their Malakut. Allah says about Abraham, 'So We were showing Abraham the Malakut of the heavens and earth, that he might be of those having sure faith. 6:75]. Science can not talk about the Malakut. Logic can not reject it, rather proves it( See the sayings of Mulla Sadra, one of the greatest Islamic philosopher, about the Mi'raj ). Also, Quran proves it as it says that Prophet went to the Paradise of Refuge and also it says that the Paradise of Refuge is not on the earth(See post #41).


Lol! I am a biologist and I can not accept your saying. An ant can not recognise that a human is Solomon or another one. Yes, they can do some amazing doings and this is because they live collectively, but they never can recognise that he is Jack or she is Rose.


As a biologist, I can not accept that a bird can creat such that sentences which Primates like Gorillas can not do. Yes, some birds can mimic the spoken language of humans, but they can not creat a sentence without mimicing. Also, Hod Hod( Hoopoe ) is not between them.


Prophet Muhammad like Solomon went from Masjid Al-Haram to the Masjidul Aqsa during some parts of a night, an action which is named Isra. Then He went to the Malakut of the heavens and see some greatest Signs of his Lord, a doing which is named Mi'raj.

What is wrong with you?

No biologists who have immense researches in this field dismissed these cases while you just cancelled it in one blow . I think you are an 'Ayatollah Biologist"

 

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As I told you earlier that you read Qur'an with predetermined mind , hence you won't able to get what is originally conveyed by ALLAH swt verbatim . I can't help you help feeling sorry for you bro ....

Thank you.

Yes. Only you read Quran without predetermined mind!!!

 

[mojtaba]

All are your own opinions " as a biologist " are really funny ...

laugh. Your again logic.

 

[mojtaba]

No biologists who have immense researches in this field dismissed these cases while you just cancelled it in one blow . I think you are an 'Ayatollah Biologist"

Free from logic and evidence.

 

[mojtaba]

I should say that whatever I mentioned about some verses of Holy Quran never contradict with the science and I never meant that there are contradictions. All of those Holy verses have their own correct interpretations.