The level of risk in this case is that the disease has already killed about 4 million people (only counting reported deaths).
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Who has a neutral stance in this vaccine
- Thread starter Unveiled Artist
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Unveiled Artist
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What's the average population by state out of those infected. Another question I'd ask myself is if I'm at a high risk. I'd also think about my health and things like that.
Do you make health decisions on deaths of thousands not around you or would you do so more close to home that directly affect you?
We Never Know
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"Not only do unvaccinated people undeniably endanger the many millions of humans on Earth who are not yet vaccinated"Not only do unvaccinated people undeniably endanger the many millions of humans on Earth who are not yet vaccinated, but they also act as viral mutation/variant nurseries, which could lead to mutant strains that are resistant to the vaccines we have developed so far.
How does the "unvaccinated" differ from the ones "who not yet vaccinated"
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Not much. Primarily word choice.
However, one could submit that “not yet vaccinated” would include the billions who are still vulnerable, yet wish to become vaccinated as soon as possible, while “unvaccinated” could include those who have no wish to ever be vaccinated (the anti-vaxxers) even though some of them have had the opportunity to receive the vaccine already.
We Never Know
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In my opinion you may as well come to grip's with reality....
-most antivaxers think people that get vaccinated are crazy, marked and contaminated.
-most overvaxers think people that don't get vaccinated are crazy, deadly and irresponsible
Neither one care about the choice you make and the only right one is what they agree with, not what you want.
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No Slack
Not much. Primarily word choice.
However, one could submit that “not yet vaccinated” would include the billions who are still vulnerable, yet wish to become vaccinated as soon as possible, while “unvaccinated” could include those who have no wish to ever be vaccinated (the anti-vaxxers) even though some of them have had the opportunity to receive the vaccine already.
Yet in reality, whether denied or unavailible, they all fall under unvaccinated.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
And you have displayed nothing but contempt and hostility for people who argue in favor of vaccination. So, as per your personal definition, I guess that makes you an antivaxxer, then? You are clearly emotionally invested in that side of the argument.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
No need to get personal and scare tactics don’t work when something so potentially harmful is promoted as harmless....except for those for whom it isn’t.
I can understand why some who got vaccinated may now be questioning their decision, despite all the assurances.......you cannot undo what this vaccine may have done already. It’s about choices and a person’s right to choose what is put into their own body.
There were studies done in Japan that confirmed some very dangerous potential outcomes that were never published. But how can you provide anything but anecdotal evidence when they will only allow their own propaganda to be widely broadcast. What if the truth was always there but you were not allowed to see it?
The vaccination issue in Australia has become a joke of disgusting proportions. The government here is clueless about what vaccine to recommend for what age group. Those in the middle of two age groups have no idea what to choose? Each vaccine has presented with its own bad medical outcomes. Like I said...what if you are the one who is adversely affected? You have no redress under law. You can’t sue them for damages, nor can you undo what has been done to you. NO long term studies have been done.
The current propaganda is not the product of careful long term investigation into the whole issue. Any wonder the vaccination rate here is so low. It just depends on who you believe and we Aussie’s are by nature not “sheeples” who follow blindly what others are doing just because it’s the done thing. We want more information and so far the mixed messages are in the realm of the ridiculous.
Since even those who are vaccinated can spread the virus, better keep your grandkids in their rooms forever. Meanwhile I will take all the precautions I can to protect myself and my loved ones, not for a moment “shamed” into making a decision that I may regret for the rest of my life.
Taking reasonable precautions and investigating safer alternatives (which you will never hear about) is played down as irresponsible...yet taking untested vaccines whose manufacturers have made sure that they are indemnified against prosecution should this all go belly up in the future, is seen as responsible ....you can trust them if you wish....I will not.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
No one is the victim here Kooky.
(Sounds like you have a more personal argument in your head, to tell you honestly.... a lot of assumptions)
The last sentence, I wasn't going to be. The OP just singled on those who are neutral. So, don't accuse the OP for a original post majority of people shouldn't have replied to if they were going to debate over it-read the OP.
The fact is, it is personal, and you and people like you scare me.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hmm. Is there another way to "speak" online that doesn't make it sound like an argument?
This kind of gets silly after awhile and it was only for those who were neutral about the emotional attachment to the argument.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
The misinformation and carefully managed public perceptions scare me more.
We Never Know
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The paranoid against the vaccine and the paranoid for the vaccine are the scariest lol
I edited my post for clarity.
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Why? Please explain....
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Because both over react.
See post #225
"In my opinion you may as well come to grip's with reality....
-most antivaxers think people that get vaccinated are crazy, marked and contaminated.
-most overvaxers think people that don't get vaccinated are crazy, deadly and irresponsible"
Or post #171
In my opinion there are 3 types of people when it comes to the vaccine..
1. The antivaxers/conspiracy people who think it implants a chip or it will kill us all.
2. The overvaxers that got it, want/demand you to get it because without it it will kill us all.
3. The ones who feel it isn't needed due to..
-already having covid(and have the antibodies),
-or are not around many people or out in public much,
-or feel they are healthy enough
I myself fit into 3. Already had covid and have the antibodies(was tested).
The overvaxers are just as paranoid as the antivaxers.
Friend of Mara
Active Member
I have a neutral stance.
The FACTS are. The vaccine is safe. Vaccination is safe. Vaccines work. This Vaccine works. The pandemic has been a terrible tragedy. Vaccination is our only current weapon against this terrible tragedy. Therefore it is in the best interest of everyone to get vaccinated.
Very personally neutral as I am about following traffic laws or knowing why evolution should be taught in school.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Neutral about the emotional attachment to the argument. This post says you've taken a side. Most people are provaxxy. I'm asking about emotional attachment not a position.
EDIT
I meant I'm asking about sentence/meaning clarity not a position
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