Who has a neutral stance in this vaccine

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Unveiled, I personally talked to someone who told me with absolute seriousness that the injections were a conspiracy to place biochips into our bodies. They were lying, of course. Worse, maybe they actually believed that. It was an old friend I've never mentioned before in any forum. Had I absolutely zero background in science I might have been tempted to take them seriously, however that is not a side. There is no side when there is a plague. This is a situation where there are lies and truths. I won't accept that there is any weight or any strength to any suggestion that the coronavirus is part of a conspiracy. That is fabulous nonsense.

What an immense tragedy the internet is in this regard. Millions and millions of people are perfectly prepared to believe anything they see posted online, without even the foggiest notion of the motives nor credentials of the poster, but distrust the educated and concerned professionals who are trying desperately to protect us all.

Maybe humans really are basically stupid. Sometimes its hard to believe otherwise.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not sure how this says whether you're neutral or not as the question says.

That's worrisome. It's also symptomatic.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That's worrisome. It's also symptomatic.

Could be. I'd worry more about risk factors than being at a risk itself.

 

[Deeje]

Could be. I'd worry more about risk factors than being at a risk itself.

I will allow this video to speak for itself....Dr Robert Malone is a guest on this podcast. He is the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology.

 

[ChristineM]

Both sides do. I don't believe you have to be pro/anti to care and help others, right?

If people are willing to knowingly spread this virus that is up to their conscience

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Who has a neutral stance in this vaccine argument?

Meaning you're not for or against it, but just choose what's best for you and others with no overarching opinion either way?

I don't feel anti/pro are needed. Maybe just those who take it and those who don't.

Does one need a side to make a decision and how is that justification true?

Half neutral.

I can understand informed and intellectually honest skepticism because of the "short route" they took in validating them, which normally takes several years.

However, I have yet to meet someone who doesn't want to get vaccinated while motivating that choice with such a reasonable argument.

Instead, the "anti-vaxxers" use the same type of arguments they always use for any vaccine. Which usually borderlines on the bat-sh!t crazy.

I especially lol'ed at the "COVID VACCINE MAKES YOU MAGNETIC!!!!!!!!" one.
No, I have zero respect for those people and consider them immoral, irresponsible, gullible idiots.

As for myself, I took my first Pfizer shot 2 weeks and was very happy to receive it, not worried about it at all. Au contraire. I'm quite confident in it. I actually informed myself a bit on the trial periods, the results and the precedents of those that already have been vaccinated months ago. Not that I actually needed it, because I trust medical professional consensus in both their expertise, as well as in their neutrality concerning politics. They have demonstrated their neutrality during the past year by frequently going head to head with politics when the "covid measures" they installed were not good enough for the taste of those professionals.

They have no incentive to lie. Au contraire. Selling a vaccine to the public which is unsafe, will only boomerang back in their face and destroy their carreers.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If people are willing to knowingly spread this virus that is up to their conscience

They're not unless they have COVID. You're talking of risk not actualities. It doesn't make sense to accuse everyone because of being at a risk. You'd have a better point if you're blaming people who are at such high risk or have covid it would make sense to get the vaccine. But generalizing just based on not getting it really doesn't mean too much. It's a generalization and to be accurate it needs to be a fact not a possibility.

 

[ChristineM]

They're not unless they have COVID. You're talking of risk not actualities. It doesn't make sense to accuse everyone because of being at a risk. You'd have a better point if you're blaming people who are at such high risk or have covid it would make sense to get the vaccine. But generalizing just based on not getting it really doesn't mean too much. It's a generalization and to be accurate it needs to be a fact not a possibility.

Correct but they don't know if they have covid for several days and are infectious during the incubation period. That is a fact

I am not blaming anyone, people can choose to be potential murderers if they wwnt to.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Correct but they don't know if they have covid for several days and are infectious during the incubation period. That is a fact

I am not blaming anyone, people can choose to be potential murderers if they wwnt to.

I'm not blaming anyone...people choose to be potential murderers? That's also an insult.

They could spread it, true. But I'd rather go off level of risk to actually catch it first and factors that would influence it. Since I don't know everyone's situation around the world to determine who may need it more than another, it's not my place to accuse (it's not my nature to do so intentionally).

But I'd never call them "potential" murders unless you can back up their level of risk is so high that may be warranted as an objective stance not an insult.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Half neutral.

I can understand informed and intellectually honest skepticism because of the "short route" they took in validating them, which normally takes several years.

However, I have yet to meet someone who doesn't want to get vaccinated while motivating that choice with such a reasonable argument.

Instead, the "anti-vaxxers" use the same type of arguments they always use for any vaccine. Which usually borderlines on the bat-sh!t crazy.

I especially lol'ed at the "COVID VACCINE MAKES YOU MAGNETIC!!!!!!!!" one.
No, I have zero respect for those people and consider them immoral, irresponsible, gullible idiots.

As for myself, I took my first Pfizer shot 2 weeks and was very happy to receive it, not worried about it at all. Au contraire. I'm quite confident in it. I actually informed myself a bit on the trial periods, the results and the precedents of those that already have been vaccinated months ago. Not that I actually needed it, because I trust medical professional consensus in both their expertise, as well as in their neutrality concerning politics. They have demonstrated their neutrality during the past year by frequently going head to head with politics when the "covid measures" they installed were not good enough for the taste of those professionals.

They have no incentive to lie. Au contraire. Selling a vaccine to the public which is unsafe, will only boomerang back in their face and destroy their carreers.

I actually only talked with an unvaccinated person outside immediate family. He didn't seem antivax but my family is. The only access I get for people's harsh opinions is RF and media. Edit...they both tend to go hand in hand. Better headlines and cult mentality.

I'm glad you are comfortable with it. I know one teen on another site was so scared (the coercion and censoring among other things) that she felt something drastic will happen to all vaccinated people. Maybe drop dead or something similar. Not an antivaxxer. Her fears are warranted.

For example, I'm neutral. RF is a place to talk but it's not something I think about. If I do, it's usually the situation in general. But the coersion, side effects, experimental (big reason-probably the closest now I think if it), and generalization gets me the most.

Long as there's no nazi camps (hate to put it) to save the world for possibly infecting the vacinated, it is what it is.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm not blaming anyone...people choose to be potential murderers? That's also an indult.

They could spread it, true. But I'd rather go off level of risk to actually catch it first and factors that would influence it. Since I don't know everyone's situation around the world to determine who may need it more than another, it's not my place to accuse (it's not my nature to do so intentionally).

But I'd never call them "potential" murders unless you can back up their level of risk is so high that may be warranted as an objective stance not an insult.

Your choice, i have made mine.

So they unknowingly contract covid, visit their dear mother and pass it on to them, mother died of covid. To me, knowing the risks of this disease amounts to murder. You can call it whatever makes you feel better about it...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

They're not unless they have COVID. You're talking of risk not actualities. It doesn't make sense to accuse everyone because of being at a risk. You'd have a better point if you're blaming people who are at such high risk or have covid it would make sense to get the vaccine. But generalizing just based on not getting it really doesn't mean too much. It's a generalization and to be accurate it needs to be a fact not a possibility.

If you have Covid, you can't receive a vaccine. At least not over here in Belgium.
You have to stay home, wait it out and test negative. And even then you won't get vaccinated right away. That will have to wait till the anti-body count that your immune system produced goes down.

Vaccines are preemptive strikes, to minimize risk. They aren't cures.

Having said that, being vaccinated does not prevent you from getting infected. You still get infect, just as fast as a non-vaccinated person. What it does do, is "teach" your body to respond right away. By doing so, the virus doesn't get much chance to reproduce. This means in turn that, while you WILL test positive, your throat / nose will hold so little virus particles that it will become much harder for you to infect someone else.

So yea, a vaccine most definitely protects yourself as well as others.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I know one teen on another site was so scared (the coercion and censoring among other things) that she felt something drastic will happen to all vaccinated people. Maybe drop dead or something similar. Not an antivaxxer. Her fears are warranted.

Her fears are not warranted. Her fears are completely irrational.
There is literally nothing in any literature that even only remotely hints at something like that.

I have no clue where she got her intel, but it's obvious nonsense.

This is on par with the "covid vaccine makes you magnetic!!!"

It's conspiratory, unscientific, nonsense.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Her fears are not warranted. Her fears are completely irrational.
There is literally nothing in any literature that even only remotely hints at something like that.

I have no clue where she got her intel, but it's obvious nonsense.

This is on par with the "covid vaccine makes you magnetic!!!"

It's conspiratory, unscientific, nonsense.

She has a right to fear based on the coersion, censoring, people's attitudes, etc. She may have fallen to conspiracy but I don't believe that's everyone's reason. It's very natural to do so. They have COVID helplines in the states for those in such crisis.

Edit.

Can you imagine people telling her her fears are irrational and she should read the "real" facts and all would be fine....than shoot her down if she's still scared?

No ethical doctor, therapist, and hotline for that matter would do that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your choice, i have made mine.

So they unknowingly contract covid, visit their dear mother and pass it on to them, mother died of covid. To me, knowing the risks of this disease amounts to murder. You can call it whatever makes you feel better about it...

What about level of risk?

 

[ChristineM]

What about level of risk?

What about it, give 10,000 monkeys a gun each and some will die. Any level of risk of human life is too high

 

[We Never Know]

Your choice, i have made mine.

So they unknowingly contract covid, visit their dear mother and pass it on to them, mother died of covid. To me, knowing the risks of this disease amounts to murder. You can call it whatever makes you feel better about it...

One difference from you and an unvaccinated person is the severity of the virus if you both were to get it. Yours won't be as severe.
However you both can still get it, still carry it, still infect others.

Just like the flu and pneumonia shots cut down the severity of the person vaccinated, neither shot will stop you from getting them or spreading them

 

[Irate State]

Emotionally invested or not, if vaccines are available in your area and people choose not vaccinate, that's not neutral, it's a stance against vaccination. The figure of the conscientious objector during a pandemic doesn't not apply.
Individual medical reasons preventing vaccination exist, of course, but that's a different aspect of the topic.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Her fears are not warranted. Her fears are completely irrational.
There is literally nothing in any literature that even only remotely hints at something like that.

I have no clue where she got her intel, but it's obvious nonsense.

This is on par with the "covid vaccine makes you magnetic!!!"

It's conspiratory, unscientific, nonsense.

Truly unwarranted. The world total of shots given so far is 2,665,000,000. That's nearly THREE BILLION.

Meanwhile, as of today, there have been 182,278,025 cases of COVID-19 reported to the WHO, along with 3,947,657 deaths.

And again meanwhile -- of those nearly 3 billion shots, there have been a total of 119 deaths.

If you do the math, that means that COVID-19 is 49,227 times more likely to kill you than the vaccine.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If you do the math, that means that COVID-19 is 49,227 times more likely to kill you than the vaccine.

^ this