Who has a neutral stance in this vaccine

[Unveiled Artist]

Belgium.



The "other side", being unscientific conspiratory nutjobs who do nothing but spread misinformation, which in the present day in the middle of a global pandemic would actually be (and IS) incredibly harmful and downright dangerous?




It's probably also false.



Or, they understand how mega damaging it is to society and how it works against solving the pandemic?
We are talking about a country where a ridiculous amount of people believe the anonymous poster named "Q" when he says that "the deep state" consists of "evil pedophile democrats" who engage in sex slavery of minors and who kill babies during satanic rituals and what-not.

Sure, censorship will not solve the much deeper issues that makes these people so mega gullible.
Indeed, in Belgium, we don't have a need to "censor" such crazy talk because overall people are better educated and not that gullible - apparently.




I don't get the US. Why is it that they jump on every little thing and are so easily tricked into believing the craziest conspiracy nonsense?

It's been baffling me for years.

My question at the moment is what if what I said you believed was true, how does that change anything?

Coercion has its good points when trying to get people to do something to help humanity. It can also be good that the government withhold certain information so there wouldn't be a world panic.

I can't imagine why any provaxxer at all don't take the government views into consideration-especially in the states. They can make good decisions that out weigh the cons even if some of the conspiracies where true. Devaluing conspiracies' doesn't prove one is right just most likely it was pushed aside because of cognitive dissonance. Especially if you already have the vaccine-anything that makes sense on the other side-even when experts say it, would cause a bit of a pause. Physiological and psychological survival response to what we thought was safe and we were thrown off guard by perceived danger.

 

[averageJOE]

Neutral. I'm against the "one size fits all" approach to vaccines. If someone wants to get vaccinated, let them. Heck, let them get two or three of the same one for all I care.

 

[Revoltingest]

Id prefer to clean up a discarded mask or two than die of Covid

I've been salvaging those, & using'm.
Not all though....some are too gross.

 

[ChristineM]

I've been salvaging those, & using'm.
Not all though....some are too gross.

I heard from a true Scotsman that you can use throw away masks up to 10 times without having to wash them

 

[Revoltingest]

I heard from a true Scotsman that you can use throw away masks up to 10 times without having to wash them

I re-use my own without any laundering.
But I rest them for several days between usage.
Gives the wee buggies time to die.

 

[ChristineM]

I re-use my own without any laundering.
But I rest them for several days between usage.
Gives the wee buggies time to die.

I don't know about your neck of the woods but here the price of re-useable masks has dropped faster than the pound to euro exchange rate after brexit. The first box of 50 we bought (how long ago that seems) was in the region on €25. I bought a new box of 50 masks last week for €2.79.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know about your neck of the woods but here the price of re-useable masks has dropped faster than the pound to euro exchange rate after brexit. The first box of 50 we bought (how long ago that seems) was in the region on €25. I bought a new box of 50 masks last week for €2.79.

Haven't.bought.masks.in.a.long.time.

Space.bar.is.on.the.fritz.again.

 

[Martin]

Who has a neutral stance in this vaccine argument?

Meaning you're not for or against it, but just choose what's best for you and others with no overarching opinion either way?

I don't feel anti/pro are needed. Maybe just those who take it and those who don't.

Does one need a side to make a decision and how is that justification true?

Clearly we need to develop herd immunity to defeat the virus, and vaccination seems to be the least damaging way of getting there.
You need around 80% of a population to be immune, either through vaccination or previous infection.

 

[Martin]

Even if it means that not taking it SIGNIFICANTLY raises their chances of infecting and possibly killing another person -- a person not involved in your decision?

Exactly. Public health measures like masks and vaccinations are as much about protecting others as protecting ourselves.
I'm tired of narcissistic anti-vaxers, it's all about their rights, and nothing about their responsbilities.

 

[ChristineM]

Haven't.bought.masks.in.a.long.time.

Space.bar.is.on.the.fritz.again.

I thought you are investing in a new keyboard?

 

[Revoltingest]

I thought you are investing in a new keyboard?

It's.on.order.
There.are.chip.supply.problems,ya.know.

 

[ChristineM]

It's.on.order.
There.are.chip.supply.problems,ya.know.

Yeah, factor fire in china screws the whole world.

 

[Martin]

Excellent post. I myself had a look at the numbers of thrombosis (not as thoroughly, but enough), and having done so, I have now had 2 doses of the Astrazeneca vaccine.

I've had two AZ jabs with no problems, and would happily have more. The great thing about the AZ vaccine is that it's sold at cost price. And it's got Oxford in the name, which makes it sound posh.

 

[We Never Know]

Id prefer to clean up a discarded mask or two than die of Covid

I'd prefer people to throw them in the trash. They are not much different than a used kleenex.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd prefer people to throw them in the trash. They are not much different than a used kleenex.

Except.that.they.look.much.cleaner.
No.snot.or.blood.
I.only.salvage.reusable.ones.&.the.better
disposable.ones.with.the.exhale.valve.

I'm.a.Scot...whaddaya.expect.!!!!!

 

[Kooky]

Who has a neutral stance in this vaccine argument?

Meaning you're not for or against it, but just choose what's best for you and others with no overarching opinion either way?

I vaccinated myself and recommend everyone else to do so because I believed that's what's best for me and everyone else, so I guess as per your definition above, that makes my stance "neutral".

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I vaccinated myself and recommend everyone else to do so because I believed that's what's best for me and everyone else, so I guess as per your definition above, that makes my stance "neutral".

More so which side you take on the vaccine argument. Neutral people ideally wouldn't side either way. It's just not a thing to get upset about. Let people make their own choices about health.

Pro/antivaxxers aren't nuetral. They have distinct sides whether they wish to vaccinate and others opinions on it.

I wouldn't say you're neutral according to this, but that's just my observation.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Clearly we need to develop herd immunity to defeat the virus, and vaccination seems to be the least damaging way of getting there.
You need around 80% of a population to be immune, either through vaccination or previous infection.

As long as people want to do it by their own volition, I see no issue.

 

[Deeje]

^ this

People are not statistics....what if you are the one who gets the adverse reaction and it’s irreversible? You can’t unvaccinate a person. Once that stuff is in your body, nothing can undo the damage it may cause and no long term studies have been done.

They have indemnified themselves against any legal responsibility for bad outcomes.....how good for them? If you get sick, or are disabled, or even die from an unanticipated after effect.....too bad for you. They are untouchable.....who else can operate like that?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Emotionally invested or not, if vaccines are available in your area and people choose not vaccinate, that's not neutral, it's a stance against vaccination. The figure of the conscientious objector during a pandemic doesn't not apply.
Individual medical reasons preventing vaccination exist, of course, but that's a different aspect of the topic.

It's not. It has less to do with the vaccine and more to do with people's right to choose without provaxxers trying to justify it by appeal to ignorance or flat rejection.

How does being unvacinated tell you the motives of that unvaccinated person?