RedhorseWoman
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JEHOVAH, not Jesus or a Trinity! Please!!!
Oh, there are those that meet your criteria. JWs are far from unique. Check around...unless you're afraid to do so?
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JEHOVAH, not Jesus or a Trinity! Please!!!
This decision, like many others depends on the belief that blood transfusions are the best treatment in any medical management situation. It becomes especially emotive when children are involved. But is blood really life-saving?
Briefly - 11 year old child was in a traffic accident - and blood count was down to 3.9 (normal is 11-14 across the genders)
So yes - needed blood in a hurry else would have died - I do not know what your medical qualifications are to say if blood is life saving but around 20 years ago - there was nothing else in a trauma center that would have been an appropriate substitute - like I said I used to be an ICU doc - this is what I did for a living
When you go to hospital for any procedure, you don't want to hear the words "morbidity" or "mortality" associated with it, do you
We don't need a medical degree to understand the issues
Exactly! The Ark built by Noah, has modern ratios of those dimensions, a 6-to-1 ratio of length to width, and 10-to-1 ratio of length to height, are exactly what is needed for a non-powered vessel to maintain stability!
Uh...those ratios of the Ark are found in the Bible! How much clearer can it be made?!
Wow!
Lol....you know I made the point. Read the posted link more thoroughly, yourself!I was talking about the internal structure and I was clear about that. Your point is nonsense as your ignored that factor in my post.
The internal structure is required to prevent the hull from collapse. That structure was modern knowledge injected ergo does not prove anything about the Biblical Ark
Try again. Include more reading next time
Well, post them! Join them! As a brother with serious responsibilities for almost 30 years, I’ve checked. They all fail. I know what I’ve found!
Tell me of one treatment that does not have those associated with it
In the US we practice medicine based on medical guidelines - not on the information generated by religious organizations - may be it is different in Australia
And understand something - chronic blood loss is much easier to deal with as the human body has time to accommodate - hence people with chronic illnesses like chronic kidney disease can tolerate levels of blood constituents that would harm a other wise normal person
An acute bleed down to 3.9 can be fatal as beyond a certain level - the proteins that permit blood to clot are exhausted and DIC sets in - look that up
You do need a medical degree to understand pathophysiology - that is why there are medical schools - else anyone could read a textbook and watch videos put out there and become a doctor - it does not work that way - does it?
Journal of Blood - the first line there sets the tone for what I am referring to
It has been assumed for many years that patients could not survive with a low hemoglobin count, and also assumed that a patient would die if not transfused immediately. If this is what was taught in medical schools then it was assumed to be correct. Doctors in this field of medicine have now proven this to be incorrect....and more dangerous than they ever imagined. 20 years ago they had saline as an option. It probably just wasn't standard practice. Thankfully it is now.
Baha'i take other people's scripture and reinterpret it to suit their own belief system. How is that not plagiarism?
JEHOVAH, not Jesus or a Trinity! Please!!!
The fact is, according to the specialists who feature in the Australian Government video, blood transfusions carry greater risk than all of them. That is something for everyone to consider surely?
It was acknowledged that the number of transfusions was reduced radically when it was discovered that a huge percentage of them were not beneficial to the patients at all. They were administered because the doctor felt that it needed to be given as a matter of routine, not because the patient's condition warranted it. Old habits sometimes die hard and often older medicos do not like being told to change their ways....especially by those who imply that their attitude and methods need updating.
I think we also have to acknowledge that blood is big business. The cost of a single unit of blood is actually ridiculous and by cutting the number of unnecessary transfusions, hospitals saved massive amounts of money in purchase, as well as time spent in extra patient care with delayed recovery time after transfusions.
Money is a great motivator on both sides here. The blood industry is not going to go down with a whimper.....they have much to lose in this.....so do patients.
Doing research in recent years, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the medical profession has lost its way in its approach to patient care. In America e.g. the health system is all geared around money. Access to doctors and medications are not for the poor. We in Australia don't have a system where people have to sell their homes to pay for medical treatments that in many cases do not work. I have read about many people who were drained of all their resources and died anyway. Where there is big money, there is often big corruption. As my scripture says..."the love of money is the root of all evil".
Today's doctors know their pharmacology because they are trained in a system that enslaves both doctors and patients to the pharmaceutical industry. But the sad thing is that they don't know how to "cure" anything. (or is it a case of don't want to?) Both doctors and patients are locked into a system of "treatments", many of which will never end because their condition will never be "fixed". The pharmaceutical industry, whose money trains our doctors, has no interest in cures because there is no profit in it....they just create customers for life.
This, I believe is why so many are turning to alternative practitioners and supplements. Having said that, I am not suggesting for a moment that we don't need doctors and surgeons who save lives every day. I am saying that we need to look at how medicine is used and practiced these days. Not only to follow the money trail, but to look at the results of the treatments and their outcomes.
Again, the doctors in the video (specialists in this field) suggest that all conditions and surgeries can be treated and performed successfully without blood....our brotherhood is proof of that. We thank these doctors for respecting our position and they have also benefitted from the experience as the treatments they try then become best practice.
If it was uneducated people or those without medical degrees suggesting these things, then you may have a case....but in the videos I provided, if you care to view them, you will see that these are top specialists in their fields. You need to argue with them, not me....I am only a messenger.
It's the medical profession's party line as we would expect. Blood transfusions are an ingrained part of orthodox medical practice. But, if it's the specialists in this field of medicine all over the world who are sounding the warning, then shouldn't the rest be taking notice? If they don't, what does that say about their attitude?
My blood count had gone down to 3. I did not accept a blood transfusion, and, obviously, I survived. I will say, though, that my recovery was horribly long and it took months before I regained any strength at all.
was slowly bleeding out for several days
I didn't realize you were an MD.
I can inform you that it is Baha'u'llah that has ushered in the 'Day of Jehovah'.
Regards Tony
See my point about acute versus chronic
I rest my case
The use of EPO to stimulate red cell production is also mentioned as a way to assist patients to rapidly restore lost red blood cell
It is clear that you will continue to push your religious position ahead of any and all scientific evidence I provide - suffice it to say - you are wrong on this one.
I also ran a "transfusion free service" dedicated largely to JW's but others as well - you have no experience other than what is told to you through the filters of the Watchtower
Like I said before - I did this for a living - and can run circles around you all day if I chose to
Humans are not interested in tolerance and acceptance
they are only after what is good for themselves and they don't care about anyone else.
This issue would not even arise today because the medical professional who have kept up to date on best practice understand that blood is not the "life-saving" procedure it was once thought to be.
We are not calling to bother people but to offer a message of hope.
We don't just randomly call on people. This does not ring true at all.
in fact more people have died after receiving [a transfusion].
Jehovah's Witnesses are not governed by solicitation laws. A 'no soliciting' sign does not apply to us.
We're not selling anything.
More people die after transfusions than ever die from refusing one.
How Old Are the Fossils? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
You can rely on science if you like....I'll rely on God
guessing their way through creation
doing their best to discredit the Creator.