Who is God ? or what are God's attributes ?

[Agnostic75]

Who can be better than GOD to explain who He is ? As Allah(GOD) says in the Holy Qur'an:

"There is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees all things." (Al-Qur'an 42:11)

What evidence do you have that Muhammad spoke for God?

 

[loverOfTruth]

What evidence do you have that Muhammad spoke for God?

Oh, come on Agnostic75 - you already know the thread I started on the evidence for the Qur'an.

 

[Agnostic75]

Oh, come on Agnostic75 - you already know the thread I started on the evidence for the Qur'an.

Yes, the thread that you vacated without replying to some posts.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Yes, the thread that you vacated without replying to some posts.

No I didn't. I think I answered all your questions. I just ignored the ones who wanted to keep going in an infinite loop with the same thing making me repeat my answers over and over again. Anyone who views the thread can see I have answered all the valid/complex questions.

 

[Nakosis]

We don't even remember of birth or the first almost two years of our lives. Why would we be expected to remember something that happened before our birth?

Some people remember past lives, or at least claim to.
I imagine birth to be a traumatic experience for a spirit to be encased in a body that is not completely developed.

LDS don't believe in reincarnation do they? They believe in a prior spiritual existence with one trip to earth?

 

[Agnostic75]

No I didn't.

Yes you did. Even one of your own sources said that his own writings about the Koran and embryos does not necessarily indicate divine inspiration.

Is there any particular reason why you only used sources that accept an Abrahamic religion?

If the Koran says or implies that homosexuals should be imprisoned, or up put to death, which happens in Islamic republics, that is immoral, and barbaric. No loving God would condone such a thing.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Yes you did. Even one of your own sources said that his own writings about the Koran and embryos does not necessarily indicate divine inspiration.

Is there any particular reason why you only used sources that accept an Abrahamic religion?

If the Koran says or implies that homosexuals should be imprisoned, or up put to death, which happens in Islamic republics, that is immoral, and barbaric. No loving God would condone such a thing.

I have responded to all those, go back and check the thread. And if you still have questions post on that thread.

 

[Agnostic75]

I have responded to all those, go back and check the thread. And if you still have questions post on that thread.

You have not addressed any of those issues adequately. I will mention them again in that thread.

 

[loverOfTruth]

You know that the same christians believe that Jesus is God and that God is a trinity....i know you dont believe what they teach about Gods identity, so if they are wrong about Gods identity, then surely they can be wrong about the one being spoken of in proverbs, yes?

We can't just say since some one is wrong about one thing that they are wrong about everything. We have to look at each individual case with reasoning.

Having said that, I looked at the Watchtower version of the Bible and it means the same thing 'WISDOM'. See it for yourself here ... Online Bible: Proverbs 8:1-36 - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
Read verse 12 : “I, wisdom, I have resided with shrewdness and I find even the knowledge of thinking abilities." So you can't just blame the trinity people. I think you just tried to attribute a statement to Jesus(pbuh) that is not his. Plus, if it is written by King Solomon and it says 'I' or 'me' .... it cannot be about Jesus(pbuh).

John 8:23 So he (Jesus) went on to say to them: “YOU are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. YOU are from this world; I am not from this world. 24 Therefore I said to YOU, YOU will die in YOUR sins. For if YOU do not believe that I am [he], YOU will die in YOUR sins.” 25 Therefore they began to say to him: “Who are you?”

John 18;36 Jesus answered: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews
Who were Jesus 'attendants'?
Matthew 26:53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than twelve legions of angels?

Speaking of himself and his position, he said at John 3:31 "He that comes from above is over all others. He that is from the earth is from the earth and speaks of things of the earth. He that comes from heaven is over all others.

John 16:28 I came out from the Father and have come into the world. Further, I am leaving the world and am going my way to the Father.”

Jesus stated it many times that he came from heaven....only spirits live in heaven and spirits are angels of God. The only way that Jesus could have come from heaven is if he himself was one of these angels.

Once again, you can't deduce that since Jesus came from Heaven, so he is an angel/spirit. Where did Adam(pbuh) come from ? If you didn't know, he was placed in Heaven before he came to earth. So that argument doesn't work at all.

1Thessalonians 4:16 because the Lord himself (Jesus) will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet
There is only one arch angel mentioned in the hebrew scriptures...he is Michael.

Again, this is not a statement of Jesus(pbuh). So again, you haven't shown me a single explicit saying of Jesus(pbuh) that claims that he pre-existed as an angel or that Jesus(pbuh) the Son of God (even figurative as you claim to believe) is any different than all the other 'Son of God' used in the Bible.

Is it not reasonable to ask that if we did exist as spirits prior to our birth as humans, we would remember it?

No. That can mean(the Quranic verse 7:172 I quoted) that 'belief in the Creator' is in our Genes but since God gave us free will, we choose to believe or not. Did Jesus(pbuh) remember it ? if he did, he would have explicitly said so. But I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.

there is no contradiction. living forever will not commence until AFTER judgement day as you also state. The bible also states that living forever will only occur after judgement day,....and judgement day will not come before Gods Great Day of Armageddon. Neither of which have occurred yet which is why we are still dieing.

If you said that it is just God's decree that we live, then die, then get resurrected and then live forever - I wouldn't have any problem accepting that. But you are not saying that - you are giving a reasoning behind it. You are saying that we die because Adam(pbuh) sinned and consequently we sin and we'll 'live forever' because 'God is not going to hold sin against us and demand the death penalty anymore ... since Jesus's(pbuh) purpose was to be born in the flesh and die in our behalf'. So your whole premise of 'living forever' depends on Jesus's(pbuh) sacrifice. Otherwise, neither Adam's(pbuh) sin nor Jesus's(pbuh) sacrifice would matter (which is our case purely based on God's decree). Therefore, the question remains : Why is God still holding us hostage ? We should be already in the clear. Jesus already paid the Ransom ? We should be free and 'living forever' from the moment after Jesus(pbuh) made the payment. We should not have to go through another 'sin compensating death'. That is cheating cause God received the payment already. You should really think about that.

What is a single earthly day from our viewpoint is not a single day from Gods viewpoint. Do you really believe that God is bound by time the way that we are bound by the rotation of the earth around the sun? Of course he cannot be confined to time the same way we are.

The apostle Peter states:
2Peter 3:8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day

Moses psalm states:
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past, And as a watch during the night.

Now if one day in Gods sight is 1,000 years...then Adam did indeed die in the same 'day' that he sinned, for Genesis says:
Genesis 5:5 So all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died'

Are you serious ? How do you come up with that stuff ? So you should multiply all the 'day' by 1000 then. So The World was created in 6,000 years, not 6 days according to the Bible. So God rested the 6001st day (7000 years not 7th day) and the Church service should only be on every '7000th year' day ;-). Then, Jesus was dead and in the tomb for 3,000 years, not 3 days. Even though I don't believe all those stuff. But if you are gonna use 1000 for '1' day, you should do that for the others too.

In the hebrew scriptures, the name YHWH is most certainly in there. When that name is translated to English, it becomes Jehovah. But in other languages it becomes something else such as in Indonesian Jehovah is Yehuwa, in Turkish its Yehova', in Romanian its Iehova, in Czechoslovakian its Jehovovych,
"Jehovah" in Arabic is يهوه - pronounced "yahwa"

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You don't translate Proper name. Would you translate the name USA ? Please see the link I provided.

 

[Pegg]

We don't even remember of birth or the first almost two years of our lives. Why would we be expected to remember something that happened before our birth?

if it is a conscious state as is claimed, then surely that implies that we would be conscious of it. If it really is an eternity of life (eternal like God) then there are untold years of conscious activity in the spirit realm

is there is an explanation why we dont remember it?

 

[Thief]

if it is a conscious state as is claimed, then surely that implies that we would be conscious of it. If it really is an eternity of life (eternal like God) then there are untold years of conscious activity in the spirit realm

is there is an explanation why we dont remember it?

I don't discount reincarnation. Some things I do...it seems my hands already know. Some things I do cause people to say...
'how do you know such things?...where did you learn that?'
If only I could draw all of my previous know-how all at once....!

So, I don't say 'nay' to the possibility of previous lifetimes.

But there does seem a limit to what we have at hand.
And character appears to be the pivot.
Your linear existence places you within parameters.
If your previous self was made to bear immediate happenings....
could you do it?

If God is at hand in this play of things....and some believe He does...
Then we return to this world, to learn all we can...
and then back to God we go.

Perhaps some of us need the 'exposure'...to sufficiently learn how to cope in the spiritual world.
Can't live there til you get it right here.
And this life you now live is the lesson on a small scale.

But neither do I say reincarnation is the method absolutely...just maybe.
Ever meet someone who just seems to be angels in disguise?

What about that Carpenter?

 

[Rational_Mind]

My apologies, I made two mistakes. 1. I assumed something you envisioned was not imagery but a alien being in its physical form. 2. Let the discussion of off topic. 3. Caused confusion due to picture example that got misconstrued into having any real relationship with the physical medium it was illustrated on.

I apologize.

Let us establish a couple of things:
1. The apparent Gods that I reference, as the topic of discussion, are the beings illustrated as physical beings in pictures.
2. Physical objects/things can be destroyed. We may not be capable yet of destroying it but theoretically all can be destroyed.
3. Matter is limited in the fact that it cannot go faster than the speed of light.

I am not just making this up on limit of speed of light: (Probing Question: Can anything travel faster than the speed of light?) Also note the CERN experiment where neutrinos travelled faster than light turned out to be an error.

did Fishy get banned? I don't know how the ban hammer works at these forums, his title says banned and he hasn't responded.

 

[Katzpur]

did Fishy get banned? I don't know how the ban hammer works at these forums, his title says banned and he hasn't responded.

He's history.

 

[loverOfTruth]

He's history.

Why is that?

 

[Katzpur]

Why is that?

I'm not a moderator, so I don't know any more than you do. And trust me, it won't do any good to ask.

 

[Prophet]

That would be the E-ZPass to mischief in the world. It's like God saying 'Do only good things, and stay away from evil. However, if you still do evil, that's fine - just don't worry about it dude - it's all cool' ;-).

If you don't believe in God, I can understand that. However, I cannot fathom how someone who believes in God could believe that.

Maybe God wants to teach us a better reason to be good than fear of the consequences? Maybe God can allow us many lives and an eternity to do it? Maybe God has been waiting eons and eons for us to find our way back to Him when we find this correct reason to be good?

 

[loverOfTruth]

Maybe God wants to teach us a better reason to be good than fear of the consequences? Maybe God can allow us many lives and an eternity to do it? Maybe God has been waiting eons and eons for us to find our way back to Him when we find this correct reason to be good?

But then God is not Just because an evil man and a good man cannot have the same ending. And also God is really not being a good Teacher in helping the humans to find the right path - because gaining a personal benefit by committing evil and getting away with it doesn't give you any reason to not follow it over and over again.

 

[Agnostic75]

But then God is not Just because an evil man and a good man cannot have the same ending. And also God is really not being a good Teacher in helping the humans to find the right path - because gaining a personal benefit by committing evil and getting away with it doesn't give you any reason to not follow it over and over again.

If a God exists, what makes you think that what you consider to be the right path is what he considers to be the right path? You are but a mere, fallible, imperfect human. How can you judge what a God would consider to be the right path?

If God approves of imprisoning or putting homsoexuals to death, which happens in Islamic republics, how can he be just?

What does God teach humans with hurricanes?

 

[no-body]

If God was describable then he/she/whatever wouldn't be God.

 

[Thief]

If God was describable then he/she/whatever wouldn't be God.

Try working with superlatives.