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Who is God?

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
(Hmmm, the stomach and foods part I get - I've read it and understand the point. But, sorry, I may have overlooked the part where there will be men & women on both earth & heaven? I would think that, at least after the Great White Throne Day, that there will be only one environment for all the saints to cohabit with Jesus and God, and the entirety of the elect.
Maybe you were refering to either the millennium, or a time before Judgement Day?
Hi, DNB. Remember -- God created Adam to live forever on this earth. He (Adam) didn't make it but that doesn't mean that God did not create Adam (and subsequent humans) to live on the earth. The following may help to reason on the matter. This applies to the earth and life on it, but there are those who are taken from the earth and will be with Jesus in heaven. More possibly about that later.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
..This makes much more sense if purely by chance we're one of the rare goldilocks planets where conditions for life are possible, and natural forces and chance have thrown up the first self-reproducing cell, whence evolution, with more than 3 billion years to play with, has done the rest.
chance? Everything we see is purely by chance?
I find that absurd .. and what is "a natural force"?
From "where" did that originate?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
chance? Everything we see is purely by chance?
I find that absurd .. and what is "a natural force"?
From "where" did that originate?
Yeah, everything by chance. Supernova bursts destroy stars in a short time, thank Allah that sun is not in that category. It is smaller.
It is similar to God force, four fundamental forces and perhaps one more. Science is working on that.
Perhaps from Absolute Nothing. What theory do you have for emergence of God or Allah?
Our souls return to God, and He knows best what happens to them all.
What proof do you have for existence of souls?
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
chance? Everything we see is purely by chance?
Pretty much, yes. For instance, arguably our science looks like it does because the Greeks won at Thermopylae about 2500 years ago and were able to maintain their own culture ─ and all battles have an element of chance. People have the physical form they do, and the brainpower and talents that they do, because their parents conceived them when the particular genetic mix from father and from mother was exactly so and not other.
I find that absurd .. and what is "a natural force"?
The natural forces are the electromagnetic force, the (subatomic) strong and weak forces, and gravity. These make physics and chemistry possible, and produce various (as it were) sub-forces, like friction, air resistance, vortexes in liquids and gases, and much more.
From "where" did that originate?
We don't know, but if anyone's going to find the answer, it will be science, because they're the only ones pursuing the answer by the methods of reasoned enquiry.

(I've never understood why religions don't have departments of specialists devoted to the manner in which miracles ─ the alteration of reality independently of the physical rules of reality ─ can be performed. Their not bothering to do so implies they secretly know it's all in their imagination, no?)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
..but God knew that mankind would sin..
Our souls return to God, and He knows best what happens to them all.
I don't believe God knew that Adam would sin. You may feel that God knows everything in advance, but that is not necessarily true, especially in this case. If he does it would make the test meaningless. The angels were watching. Obviously the Devil was hoping he could convince Eve to sin against God by eating the forbidden fruit. God can choose what He wants to know in advance and what He does not want to know. Or what He chooses to know. Because He is God, the Supreme One, the Creator.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
What spectrum are you talking about? And why should you ascribe good or bad to imaginary entities?
Wars, disasters, diseases, deprivations; God has much to answer for.
Just as a question, would you say that people are responsible for wars? I would say they are.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Just as a question, would you say that people are responsible for wars? I would say they are.
If you believe in God, then the accusation finally goes back to God.
In my case, since I do not accept existence of God, so it is people.
If you believe in God, you cannot absolve God of the crime of the kind of world he has created.
 
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YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
If you believe in God, then the accusation finally goes back to God.
In my case, since I do not accept existence of God, then it is people.
If you believe in God, you cannot absolve God of the crime of the kind of world he has created.
He allows. He did not make it this way. There is a difference. He could have just put Adam and Eve to death before they had children, but He did not do that. For a reason. And that is another reason why I believe the promise for the future which is that this type of existence will be replaced by righteousness for all who are alive. Because so many crimes are shocking, it also makes sense that we wish they would not happen. And that is another reason why I believe the promises put forth pertaining to a beautiful future.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
He allows. He did not make it this way. There is a difference. He could have just put Adam and Eve to death before they had children, but He did not do that. For a reason. And that is another reason why I believe the promise for the future which is that this type of existence will be replaced by righteousness for all who are alive. Because so many crimes are shocking, it also makes sense that we wish they would not happen. And that is another reason why I believe the promises put forth pertaining to a beautiful future.
Yeah, true. We have years to go before this dark period ends, Kaliyuga. It will be followed by Satyayuga, the age of rightfulness. Is that what you mean? :D

"Kaliyuga began 5,124 years ago and has 426,876 years left as of 2023 CE. Kaliyuga will end in the year 428,899 CE."
Note: Kaliyuga has nothing to do with Mother Goddess Kāli. It is related to a demon named Kali.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
What spectrum are you talking about?

Does this mean you cannot see a spectrum that exists between good and evil?

And why should you ascribe good or bad to imaginary entities?

Because of the question you asked and your reply.

Wars, disasters, diseases, deprivations; God has much to answer for.

And so much more to be grateful for.

If you believe in God, you cannot absolve God of the crime of the kind of world he has created.

I think what you're observing is better described as acceptance and/or understanding.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Does this mean you cannot see a spectrum that exists between good and evil?
Because of the question you asked and your reply.
And so much more to be grateful for.
I think what you're observing is better described as acceptance and/or understanding.
No. If a person is 10% bad, then he/she is bad. The fault cannot/should not be overlooked, especially when it comes to the proposed God or soul.
I don't. The religious do. For me the God and soul do not exist. I am an atheist.
I cannot be grateful to an imaginary entity.
You believe in existence of God (and soul). I have no such belief.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yeah, true. We have years to go before this dark period ends, Kaliyuga. It will be followed by Satyayuga, the age of rightfulness. Is that what you mean? :D

"Kaliyuga began 5,124 years ago and has 426,876 years left as of 2023 CE. Kaliyuga will end in the year 428,899 CE."
Note: Kaliyuga has nothing to do with Mother Goddess Kāli. It is related to a demon named Kali.
I am not familiar with that aspect. Do you believe it though? sounds like a long way off to me...
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No. If a person is 10% bad, then he/she is bad. The fault cannot/should not be overlooked, especially when it comes to the proposed God or soul.
I don't. The religious do. For me the God and soul do not exist. I am an atheist.
I cannot be grateful to an imaginary entity.
You believe in existence of God (and soul). I have no such belief.
Here's the problem as I see it. There is good and bad in life. Even before I knew what the Bible says as far as I see it (because obviously not all religions claiming to go by the Bible agree with each other) I did not want to die. I was frightened at the spectre of death and I have a feeling many people are, although I have not taken a survey. I did not invent the Bible. I cannot say I understand everything about God that is written. However, I appreciate what it says about everlasting life in peace which is promised. Here's why it makes sense to me -- death, as far as I am concerned, is not a friend. And the things I see on the earth such as birds singing, animals playing, music, good food, are all things I enjoy. I hope that makes sense so far to you. I know it doesn't explain everything, but I hope it's a start. I appreciate your kind attitude.
 
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