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Who is God?

imaginaryme

Active Member
To exist is to have consciousness. The other things one might feel are necessary to have consciousness are more or less complicated sorts of hardware and software, patterns of mass and energy. But no pattern can have consciousness until it exists, until it is brought into reality. Existence is, finally, the only thing required for consciousness. A rock is conscious. This piece of paper is conscious.
~Rudy Rucker, Infinity and the Mind.

Not the words of a Zen mystic nor a taoist master, here speaks a sensei of the calculus - that is, a math teacher. This is convergence. This is the rise in atheism and the awareness of the universal consciousness, that all questions are the same question, that the old answers still apply. Who is god?

I am.

When one sees beyond self-awareness, one becomes aware. The sleeper wakens. There is no need to seek a higher power without when one realizes the higher power within. Consequence is but another form of causality, one that becomes particularly poignant when one has "a personal experience with god;" but the same effect that sharpens such accounts in memory is the effect that questions the deeper meaning. Duration.

There is no "duration" in eternity. I was beguiled by carrying the entitlement of prophet, and freed from that illusion from speaking prophecy; because I know now what prophecy is, and it is merely awareness. I have become something more by becoming something seemingly less, just a man. Just another voice in the jubilant cacophony that is the human experience. It is far more satisfying to be merely a philosopher of anarchy than to be a divine messenger, for I know that any direction to which I point indicates that all other directions are somehow "wrong," and I know that is not true. There is only one direction that concerns the sum total of humanity, and that is moving forward. No need to point, no need to direct, no need to lead; this is what I say when I do not have faith in god, but rather I trust in god.

Justice is a fabrication of society necessary for development. These concepts of "good and evil" were merely the forms used by our ancestors to carry society forward, and they linger in the mind when one expresses the desire to "do good" or "knowing right from wrong." All it takes to see the fallacy of such ideals is to imagine oneself being truly alone. These are merely yardsticks by which we measure the character of our fellow man against our "ideal self;" they speak nothing of this self in isolation. And this is how god got himself Capitalized, that the "good people" of the world refused to believe that the "wickedness" so apparent in others could be merely an aspect of the human condition. It is so much more comforting to accept the existence of Demons than to turn the lens of understanding inward. Here is where I do have a bit of authority - as one who loves "my Gwynnies" above all else, let it be known - we are all capable of "unspeakable evil." No Devil need apply. :D
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
bit of trivia: When you see the word LORD written in all caps in the Bible, that is a stand-in for the "unnameable" name of their God YHWH (or Yahweh/Jehovah).

bit of trivia....

right, jews use adonai...

:sarcastic

Adonai
Main article: A-D-N
Jews also call God Adonai, Hebrew for "Lord" (Hebrew: אֲדֹנָי). Formally, this is plural ("my Lords"), but the plural is usually construed as a respectful, and not a syntactic plural. (The singular form is Adoni, "my lord". This was used by the Phoenicians for the god Tammuz and is the origin of the Greek name Adonis. Jews only use the singular to refer to a distinguished person: in the plural, "rabotai", literally, "my masters", is used in both Mishnaic and modern Hebrew.)
Since pronouncing YHWH is avoided out of reverence for the holiness of the name, Jews use Adonai instead in prayers, and colloquially would use Hashem ("the Name"). When the Masoretes added vowel pointings to the text of the Hebrew Bible around the eighth century CE, they gave the word YHWH the vowels of Adonai, to remind the reader to say Adonai instead. Later Biblical scholars mistook this vowel substitution for the actual spelling of YHWH and interpreted the name of God as Jehovah.
The Sephardi translators of the Ferrara Bible go further and substitute Adonai with A
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Can someone please explain to me why the God of most Abrahamic religions is just called "God" instead of calling Him by a name? To me that is kind of like naming your child "Child."

Simple question. No debating about who's God is real. No fighting about who has the cooler name. No religion disrespect. Just, why? Why is there no name?

Because god has many names....

from a Judaic Kabbalistic view of course

God has no name... because God is beyond concept.

Thus any of the NUMEROUS names of God in Judaism, from a kabbalistic perspective,,,,are representations of how God manifests
:D
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
My copy reads differently...I Am that I Am.

It's more a statement of existence than anything else.

It also presents the notion that calling God by any name is a bit demeaning.


Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.....Iam That Iam

I am becoming.....
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
MY COMMENTS: God tells Moses His name in Exodus 3:14:

"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and He said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." KJV.

"I AM" from the phonetic Hebrew, "YAHVEH", transliterated into English as "Jehovah."

Literally means "Is, Being, Was", "the Existing One".

"Jehovah" occurs hundreds of times in English translations.

:facepalm: hilarious

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is now Jehova....

:rolleyes: its no wonder my girl friend claims most english translations of the bible are like someone has read the text to another using two tin cans and a bit of string


I Am that I Am - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In revealing his mysterious name, YHWH ("I AM HE WHO IS", "I AM WHO AM" or "I AM WHAT I AM"), God says who he is and by what name he is to be called. This divine name is mysterious just as God is mystery. It is at once a name revealed and something like the refusal of a name, and hence it better expresses God as what he is - infinitely above everything that we can understand or say: he is the "hidden God", his name is ineffable, and he is the God who makes himself close to men.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
God has no name... because God is beyond concept.


If God is beyond concept, then God is no-thing, which tells of its no-thing-ness.

Even the word "God" is conceptual.

Therefore, "God" is "not-God".

But "God" is also not "not-God".

Therefore, "God" neither exists, nor not-exists, because God is beyond all dualities.

Since both the idea and the word "God" are only concepts, they exist only in the mind.

But what is "mind" but a self-created principle? It, too, is a complete illusion.

So what are we left with? There is no God, no mind, no "I", and no-thing. There is only this one pure and clear thing.

"Oh, do not ask "what is it?".
Let us go and make our visit."

TS Elliot

"Think neither 'God', nor 'not-God'"
Buddha:D
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Are you assuming there are no consequences for becoming the person you are?

How much of social indoctrination, coupled with DNA, is responsible for your becoming 'who you are'? Once you get a picture of who that is, is he really who you are? That is to say, are you your history? I think not. Who you really are is not a product of becoming. That person is fiction, an actor, a puppet, asleep, thinking himself awake, in a drama with a script written by others.

Until the false self that is always becoming awakens and, through concerted effort, puts a stop to his doing, there will be consequences to his actions.

Your true nature is unborn. Being unborn, it will never die. It has no consequences because there is no "I" involved. There is no do-er.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.....Iam That Iam

I am becoming.....

If you already "are", what need is there for "becoming"?

If God were truly "I AM", he is already complete. He is, remember, the Alpha and the Omega. There is nothing more to "become", unless, of course, he is playing around with magic, and needs a shape-shifter to help him create the illusion that is the world. :yes::no:
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
How much of social indoctrination, coupled with DNA, is responsible for your becoming 'who you are'? Once you get a picture of who that is, is he really who you are? That is to say, are you your history? I think not. Who you really are is not a product of becoming. That person is fiction, an actor, a puppet, asleep, thinking himself awake, in a drama with a script written by others.

Until the false self that is always becoming awakens and, through concerted effort, puts a stop to his doing, there will be consequences to his actions.

Your true nature is unborn. Being unborn, it will never die. It has no consequences because there is no "I" involved. There is no do-er.

You're just skirting the question.
Is there consequence?....for being who you are?
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
You're just skirting the question.
Is there consequence?....for being who you are?

I already told you: the false self will continue to 'have consequences' (karmic results) as long as he thinks he is the doer. He is attached to his actions, and therefore, to the outcomes of his actions. When the true self awakens, the fictional false self is dissolved. There is no doer involved. There is no self. There is no "I".

There is no consequence to being who you really are, but there are consequences to being (and acting upon) who you think you are.

If you think there are either 'consequences' (punishment) for your negative actions, or that there rewards for your 'good' behavior, then you still are the false self in pursuit of a 'gaining idea' (heaven), and are karma-driven.

When you let go of all gaining ideas (reward & punishment; approval & disapproval; acceptance & rejection; praise & blame) you are way-driven, and no karmic results ensue.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I already told you: the false self will continue to 'have consequences' (karmic results) as long as he thinks he is the doer. He is attached to his actions, and therefore, to the outcomes of his actions. When the true self awakens, the fictional false self is dissolved. There is no doer involved. There is no self. There is no "I".

There is no consequence to being who you really are, but there are consequences to being (and acting upon) who you think you are.

If you think there are either 'consequences' (punishment) for your negative actions, or that there rewards for your 'good' behavior, then you still are the false self in pursuit of a 'gaining idea' (heaven), and are karma-driven.

When you let go of all gaining ideas (reward & punishment; approval & disapproval; acceptance & rejection; praise & blame) you are way-driven, and no karmic results ensue.

Denying the 'self', and the consequence of thinking....doesn't remove anything I have said.
Your discussion will work.... only....if all people dying....lose the 'persons' they have become.
But that would take away the obvious scheme of things....
generating individuals by means of making Man in His image.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Your discussion will work.... only....if all people dying....lose the 'persons' they have become.

They were not what they have become before their birth, nor do they continue to be what they have become after their death. Their character is temporal. They just return to the One Undifferentiated Source. What they became during life can only exist within the context of that life and time. What remains beyond that is only memory of what they were. Who they truly are does not become anything, because they already are. If they become anything, it is only who they already are.

Thief and godnotgod will have played themselves out. Why would the Infinite want to repeat their appearance? At least in the realm of snowflakes, no two have ever been alike, at least not to our knowledge. This might suggest that the Infinite is in love with variety and surprise. If snowflakes had a self, they might want to cling to themselves in perpetuity. They would go kicking and screaming to their deaths. What joy would there be in that? Because they do not possess a self, no snowflake is born or dies. They are just a temporary joyful manifestation of the Infinite. That is why it is so important to be awake in this wonderful eternal Present Moment, where it is all happening; where it is all alive and vital.

But that would take away the obvious scheme of things....
generating individuals by means of making Man in His image.
Obvious scheme? That man is God?

"What did your face look like before your mother was born?"
Zen koan:D

"From brilliancy I came;
to brilliancy I return;
what, then, is all this?"

A Zen Monk
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
Denying the 'self', and the consequence of thinking....doesn't remove anything I have said.

If thinking has consequences, then all one need do is cease to think.

Do not worry. You will not die.

With thought out of the way, you will now be completely free to see. Pure seeing is the true state of our mind.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
If God is beyond concept, then God is no-thing, which tells of its no-thing-ness.

Even the word "God" is conceptual.

Therefore, "God" is "not-God".

But "God" is also not "not-God".

Therefore, "God" neither exists, nor not-exists, because God is beyond all dualities.

Since both the idea and the word "God" are only concepts, they exist only in the mind.

But what is "mind" but a self-created principle? It, too, is a complete illusion.

So what are we left with? There is no God, no mind, no "I", and no-thing. There is only this one pure and clear thing.

"Oh, do not ask "what is it?".
Let us go and make our visit."
TS Elliot

"Think neither 'God', nor 'not-God'"
Buddha:D


yeah and :sarcastic:p
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
If you already "are", what need is there for "becoming"?

If God were truly "I AM", he is already complete. He is, remember, the Alpha and the Omega. There is nothing more to "become", unless, of course, he is playing around with magic, and needs a shape-shifter to help him create the illusion that is the world. :yes::no:

contemplate the oroborous

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Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew: אהיה אשר אהיה) is the sole response given to Moses when he asks for God's name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Hebrew Bible. The Tetragrammaton itself derives from the same verbal root. The King James version of the Bible translates the Hebrew as "I am that I am" and uses it as a proper name for God. The Aramaic Targum Onkelos leaves the phrase untranslated and is so quoted in the Talmud (B. B. 73a).
Ehyeh is the first-person singular imperfect form of hayah, "to be". Ehyeh is usually translated "I will be," since the imperfect tense in Hebrew denotes actions that are not yet completed (e.g. Exodus 3:12, "Certainly I will be [ehyeh] with thee.")
Asher is an ambiguous pronoun which can mean, depending on context, "that", "who", "which", or "where".
Therefore, although Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally rendered in English "I am that I am," better renderings might be "I will be what I will be" or "I will be who I will be", or even "I will be because I will be." In these renderings, the phrase becomes an open-ended gloss on God's promise in Exodus 3:12. Other renderings include: Leeser, “I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE”; Rotherham, “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” Gr., E•go′ ei•mi ho on (εγω ειμι ο ων), "I am The Being" in the Septuagint[5],” or, “I am The Existing One”; Lat., e′go sum qui sum, “I am Who I am.”

Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew: אהיה אשר אהיה) is the sole response given to Moses when he asks for God's name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Hebrew Bible. The Tetragrammaton itself derives from the same verbal root. The King James version of the Bible translates the Hebrew as "I am that I am" and uses it as a proper name for God. The Aramaic Targum Onkelos leaves the phrase untranslated and is so quoted in the Talmud (B. B. 73a).
Ehyeh is the first-person singular imperfect form of hayah, "to be". Ehyeh is usually translated "I will be," since the imperfect tense in Hebrew denotes actions that are not yet completed (e.g. Exodus 3:12, "Certainly I will be [ehyeh] with thee.")
Asher is an ambiguous pronoun which can mean, depending on context, "that", "who", "which", or "where".
Therefore, although Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally rendered in English "I am that I am," better renderings might be "I will be what I will be" or "I will be who I will be", or even "I will be because I will be." In these renderings, the phrase becomes an open-ended gloss on God's promise in Exodus 3:12. Other renderings include: Leeser, “I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE”; Rotherham, “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” Gr., E•go′ ei•mi ho on (εγω ειμι ο ων), "I am The Being" in the Septuagint[5],” or, “I am The Existing One”; Lat., e′go sum qui sum, “I am Who I am.”

As I suggested, the Changeless creates the illusion of Change via of Its Shape-Shifting attribute. What the Changeless has become is what it always is.

Therefore, "I AM the Existing One" means just that: It exists NOW, in completeness. Any "becoming" is only illusory, and what is the illusion but Divine Playfullness? What need is there for God to become something else since he is already the pentultimate? The only rational thing I can think of is that the Divine Essence loves to play Cosmic Hide and Seek with Itself, by hiding within all the myriad forms of his own creation, and completely forgetting that he is God.

"The universe is the Absolute seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

So, in truth, no-thing has ever changed; no-thing has ever become anything else.

It is all one Grand Illusion.

You know those videos of the islanders who twirl a flaming torch in the dark of night in order to create the illusion of a spinning fire-wheel? :D
 
To give God a name is to be too familiar with him. God must always be at some distance, ultimately unreachable and untouchable, not out of respect, but out of fear. To call God 'Joe" or some other familiar name makes him too accessible. He will have lost some of his mystery and power. Look what happened to the God that was Jesus. He got too close, and was mocked, jeered, ridiculed, and ultimately destroyed. For most, God can only be God if he has the upper hand at all times. Lucifer's rebellion proved that.

The majority of mankind fail to understand who God really is, and that he wants his name to be made known rather than hidden. There are an approximate 7 billion persons on the earth, when having been born, were given a name to specifically identify them. Gods and goddesses of pagan nations all were given names, such as Jupiter of the Roman pantheon, Zeus of the Greeks, Chemosh, chief deity of the Moabites some 3, 500 years ago, or Baal, a god of agriculture of the Canaanites and closely connected with fertility worship as the same time as Chemosh was worshiped. Hence, no gods or goddesses remained unnamed, for when Ramses II of Egypt (1290-1224 B.C.E.) was buried, on his tomb were the names some 750 gods that the Egyptians worshiped.

Likewise of the One who made the universe. He wants his name to be made known, and in fact, will ensure that it will be done. Following the 6th plague upon Egypt in 1513 B.C.E., God told Pharoah: "For by now I could have thrust my hand out that I might strike you and your people with pestilence and that you might be effaced from the earth. But, in fact, for this cause I have kept you in existence, for the sake of showing you my power and in order to have my name declared in all the earth."(Ex 9:15, 16)

Pharoah was familiar with God's name (Ex 5:1, 2), for God had told Moses, after Moses had asked what name he should tell the Israelites: "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.’” This defined the meaning of God's name, with God now telling to Moses: "This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation."(Ex 3:14,15)

Having placed his name in his book, the Bible, some 7000 times, means what ? That God wants to be approachable and his name to be known throughout the earth, not hidden, as some contend. If a person wrote his autobiography, using his or her name several thousand times, are these wanting their name obscured ? Obviously not.

Isaiah 55:6 says to "search for Jehovah, you people, while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near." That he wants his name and purpose spread across the earth, Isaiah 11:9 says that "the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea."(Isa 11:9)

Jehovah God is not some "mysterious" god, but One that wants people to approach him in prayer, for at Psalms 65:2, David says of Jehovah: "O Hearer of prayer, even to you people of all flesh will come." Psalms 145:18 says "Jehovah is near to all those calling upon him, To all those who call upon him in trueness."

Hence, God is approachable and in fact, encourages all who want to know him, to "call upon him in trueness", wanting to accurately know him as the true God, Jehovah, our Creator.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
If thinking has consequences, then all one need do is cease to think.

Do not worry. You will not die.

With thought out of the way, you will now be completely free to see. Pure seeing is the true state of our mind.

Sounds like a tv camera left on by a forgetful cameraman.
Seeing is only a perception.
Without thought you would be as dead as the tv camera.

Of course, if I continue to live....I will be aware of it.
If I live in the spirit....I will think and feel.
"See" what "I" mean?
 
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