cataway
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the JW's have the sayings of life . you have been told yet you don't seem to want it
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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?
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3rdAngel
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Thanks but I prefer what the bible teaches.
cataway
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do you mean things like john 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
even John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
how did you miss it ?
cataway
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there are a few more scriptures that speak of eternal life
- Matthew 19:16
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Matthew 19:29
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Mark 10:17
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Mark 10:30
will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Luke 10:25
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Luke 18:18
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Luke 18:30
will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 3:15
that everyone who believes may have eternal lifein him.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 4:14
but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 4:36
Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal lifeand will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 5:39
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,
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cataway
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- John 6:27
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 6:40
For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 6:47
Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 6:54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 6:68
Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 12:50
I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal lifeto all those you have given him.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
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3rdAngel
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Thanks but how did I miss what?
3rdAngel
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Thanks but why did you post these scriptures for?
cataway
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the bible teaches the eternal life is possible . how did you miss that ?
3rdAngel
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Why do you think I missed that? Where did I say eternal life is not possible? If I never said such things then why do you think I did? Sorry for all the questions. I am just trying to understand where you are coming from.
cataway
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so many so-called Christian religions ignore what the bible does say . they want it to say they are going to heaven when they die . bible does not say that. it does say there is going to be a resurrection of the dead. if they then live an obey the new rules of the kingdom they live on and on. even forever.
3rdAngel
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Ok so why do you think I missed that?
3rdAngel
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Ok thanks but where did anyone say eternal life was not possible?
What is the "food that endures to eternal life"?
"The word" is the food and the Food is the Word.. but how lads .. are you going to know what these words are .. when you don't know which God of the Bible's words to follow ?
Is that not what we have missed here lads ? What is the Will of the Father ... the doing of which gets one into heaven .. but if you don't know who the father is .. and which words of the bible are his .. then you can not partake of the food that gives eternal life.
3rdAngel
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If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. Do you know the meaning of these scriptures whispered to me from the God Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 sons and Moses followed and talked to? Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. These are the things that defile a man. Unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we shall in no wise enter into the Kingdom that he has prepared for those that follow and love him. Truly truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he shall in no wise enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. He that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. He that commits sin is of the devil because he has neither seen him nor known him.
OMG --- we have a blind preacher .. calling out to others "you people can't see" - botching scripture -- and yes we first have to die .. in order to be reborn of spirit ... in case log in own eye is in way of recognizing that obvious truth.
All this a blistering deflection from the question of truth ... not knowing the name of your God .. nor the identity in Scripture but suggest that you know the meaning of scripture being whispered by these Gods ? and in particular the one God whose name and identity you do not know .. that scripture is the one you follow . but have yet to identify any in the Bible correctly except Idol Martin .. but that is man made ideology rather than Gods Word in scripture .. that word you have yet to identify .. but go on and on as if you undersetand .. and others who can identify which God is saying what .. are the blind ones.
Tell me the name of the God of the Priestly Order of Melchi-Zedek Hint .. Hint -- and is this the God who you follow- is this the Spirit of the Lord that you follow and keep referring to ? .. Tell us the whispers from this .. the God of Abraham ! === that we may be put right with God.
Tell us kind Sir .. tell us the meaning of these scriptures whispered to you from the God of Abraham .. but first tell us who the God of the Priestly order of Melchi-Zedek .. is ? This El Oliun -- El Supreme God that Abraham and our friend Melchi-Zedek worship .. breaking bread and drinking wine in ritual celebration and Praise .. The High Priest of the most high God El Elyon .. .. and King .. so Priest-King of Canaanite Jerusalem .. City of Peace .. Patron God .. Zedek 0 incorporated into the name of the King Zedek .. same patron God- 800 years later when David takes the city ... same priestly order .. the Kings name Adoni-Zedek --- "my God is Zedek"
Tell us the identity of your God .. and then give the meaning to some scripture from this God ... demonstrating that indeed you can see clearly now the rain is gone .. no more obsticals in my way .. show us the money .. the scripture .. and tell us why you have forsaken Lord YHWH .. great God in the Israelite pantheon- the words of this God apparently of no interest to you .. his name not hallowed .. which is fine .. but explain .. to us the name/identity of your God ..
3rdAngel
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So that is a no you do not understand the meaning of the scriptures shared with you. That is ok but it shows that your words are not directed towards me but to Him you do not know and do not believe. For me, though, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind by myself without Him I am blind but through His Word and Spirit he makes my blind eyes see. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day. For he whom God hath sent speaks the words of God: for he gives not the Spirit by measure but many do not hear when they close their eyes to see and their ears to hear. Again you cannot hear Him because you do not know His Words and close your eyes and ears to who is calling you.
I explained to you the scripture you posted .. and botched . So your claim that I told you I did not understand a wicked falsehood ... I see the demonization of the other -- deceit and deflection .. coming from the direction of the wolf in sheeps clothing our lord and savior warned.
"Life giving word" he cries ... great .. wonderful .. please tell these life giving words and from which God these words come .. so that we may obey and be put right with this God ... whose identity you do not know .. but it sure as Heck is not the God of Jesus
Who is the God of the Priestly Order of Melchi-Zedek friend and why do you deny the word of the Great God YHWH ? is this not the life giving word ? .. who is the one who does not know his words in the room .. with eyes ears nose mouth and every other orifice covered to stop the Good news from coming in. .. then projecting your failing onto me.
Give us some words of your God from the Bible .. living words .. .. .. how is it you do not kow the identity of your God ?
3rdAngel
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No you didn't but that is ok I did not expect you to because it is written in the scriptures that it is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those saying they see do not see. Those saying they hear do not hear and those saying they walk do not walk. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.
Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see therefore your sin remains.
Come let us reason together; Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Call upon me while I am near, tomorrow may be too late and why will you die when by my stripes you may be healed. With an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you therefore why will you turn from me? It is hard to kick against the pricks. Do you know the meaning of these scriptures?
What scripture did you post that you want answered that was not already ? You are still running around blathering about those blind to scripture ..but yourself unable to come up with the name of the God your scripture comes from .. this scripture that you claim to undertand but have no idea which God it comes from never mind understand the meaning.
Where is this living word you promised from this mystery God of yours ? You talked about Abraham .. but have no idea the identity of this God ..in addition you reject the Lord YHWH .. What a tangled web we weave aye Brother 3A ...