Shushersbedamned
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Who do you put the responsibility on generally?
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Who is responsible for a suicide?
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Shushersbedamned
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Certainly not alone. Sometimes not at all.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
In the case of suicide, yes there can be outside factors, but that's why I said "usually".
Shushersbedamned
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But you put it with a.questions mark. It sounds sardonic
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
As a general rule, just assume that everything I post is sardonic.
Shushersbedamned
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I already do.
Araceli Cianna
Active Member
I wouldn't say it's primarily anyone's fault, suicide is usually a result of complex biological wiring going wrong. Even in the case of abuse and trauma some people are just not physiologically disposed to depression and suicide and continue their lives fine. There's shown to be a certain gene activated in PTSD which would explain why some people go through horrible circumstances but easily get back up on their feet afterwards, whilst others become neurotic and in some cases suicidal. It is all down to the way your brain works, which is why medical and pharmacological treatment is needed for it. The idea that suicide is the person's fault kind of reminds me of the catholic notion of it being a sin, but in reality the body controls the mind more than the mind controls the body. Not to say that the mind has no influence over the body, but if you say to a person with cancer "why don't you just use positive thinking to cure yourself?" I'm pretty sure they would be extremely offended. It's the same principal, just because it's a mental disorder doesn't mean it's any less physical than an autoimmune disease for example. Suicidal is exactly like that. As someone who went through it I know, and I was lucky that anti-depressants worked brilliantly for me and made me realise how out of balance my hormones were and how all those years of 'self-improvement' had not done me an iota of good when it came to mood-improvement.
I don't.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
Please use paragraphs
Then how come it at time has no effect on It? And what ya mean is needed for It?
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
You don't think it is worthy of thought?
I don't think it's a helpful question.
Situations differ. People differ. Suicides differ.
Assigning blame "generally" does little to address the issue.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
That's ridiculous.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Araceli Cianna
Active Member
They haven't really perfected their understanding and hence treatment for it, which is why for some it doesn't work. But I can see a future where biologically it is more understood and then actually cured. It is a condition/disease of the mind. Just because antiretrovirals don't cure HIV, they do help keep it at bay for some people. It's the same principle. Antidepressants aren't a cure, but they can keep depression at bay for some people.
Not really. There are a variety of reasons why someone might commit suicide - both internally produced and also from external circumstances. And no doubt the solutions might be quite different to halt such ideas. Ultimately it is the one who commits suicide taking the responsibility after all - and it might be because they have an unbalanced assessment of themselves or their circumstances, or of their ability to cope with whatever is driving to such.
Similarly, they might be wrongly assessing external circumstances - as being much more severe than the case actually is. It's usually down to delusions somewhere along the line, although those living with some physical or mental health issue perhaps have a reason for doing so that trumps all else. Anyone who has been through really hard times at all will usually know that one can and usually does survive almost all unless it is particularly bad.
I should know since I have done exactly that, and more than once. Suicide is the ultimate decision for which one might be wrong but where one doesn't know it - and of course never will. Best not to when there usually are many alternatives that might solve one's particular problems. Many can't or won't even ask for help though, which is often why they do it.
As far as I'm concerned, and not believing in any afterlife, life is definitely better than the alternative.
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I personally do not put the "responsibility" on anyone. Not for me to do. Besides, there are so many reasons a person may do such a thing. Such as , mental illness, chronic physical ailment that makes life unendurable, etc. To big a subject for any blanket statement.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
Keep HIV at bay?
You put that trust in antidepressants that gladdens the American pharmacy industry but is of no use whatsoever to anybody else.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
Paragraph, please, damn.
Ulimetly after all. Why? You say it like it was obvious. Then you explain all the complications that make it so difficult to tell whos responsible and yet of course the person himself is responsible. Huh?
That 'wrongly assessing' is also called depression.