Who is responsible for a suicide?

[Araceli Cianna]

Keep HIV at bay?

You put that trust in antidepressants that gladdens the American pharmacy industry but is of no use whatsoever to anybody else.

I think you're totally misunderstanding me and not really even making an effort to understand.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I think you're totally misunderstanding me and not really even making an effort to understand.

Nonsense. I think you might be confusing HIV and aids and also over emphasising the effect drugs have on mental health issues and the progress science is making with the drugs and also of what value they are as they are to people who use them. And also the advantage that all this gives to the drug industry.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Are you then asking what would be enough wisdom?

It should be obvious that it would be enough to understand and correct the factors that make suicide necessary - or, at the very least, to detect their manifestation in time to counteract.

Yes. That's what I'm asking but not really as that you could have an answer to it. And the answer you did give loses all its value when compared to other things that are wrong in the society. The answer that the society should developed is very ....unuseful.

 

[Jumi]

Stop doing what you're doing and try to feel the pain.

I don't know if you understand what you're requiring from others. It's not easy being a useful psychiatrist, let alone a layman.

If I'm an example... I feel enough pain as it is(chronic), I might not even sleep tonight if it's on. I don't expect you to understand. You wouldn't, because you can't.

No one ever said anything useful when I was clinically depressed to help cure it. Hell, talking about it was the worst thing I ever did. When I solved the problem(myself), I told some others the same solution. No one ever tried it, I guess. So it's my secret. Don't expect it to be easy to feel someone's pain...

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I wouldn't say it's primarily anyone's fault, suicide is usually a result of complex biological wiring going wrong. Even in the case of abuse and trauma some people are just not physiologically disposed to depression and suicide and continue their lives fine. There's shown to be a certain gene activated in PTSD which would explain why some people go through horrible circumstances but easily get back up on their feet afterwards, whilst others become neurotic and in some cases suicidal. It is all down to the way your brain works, which is why medical and pharmacological treatment is needed for it. The idea that suicide is the person's fault kind of reminds me of the catholic notion of it being a sin, but in reality the body controls the mind more than the mind controls the body. Not to say that the mind has no influence over the body, but if you say to a person with cancer "why don't you just use positive thinking to cure yourself?" I'm pretty sure they would be extremely offended. It's the same principal, just because it's a mental disorder doesn't mean it's any less physical than an autoimmune disease for example. Suicidal is exactly like that. As someone who went through it I know, and I was lucky that anti-depressants worked brilliantly for me and made me realise how out of balance my hormones were and how all those years of 'self-improvement' had not done me an iota of good when it came to mood-improvement.

Nicely said, care to share any research to back this up?

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes. That's what I'm asking but not really as that you could have an answer to it. And the answer you did give loses all its value when compared to other things that are wrong in the society. The answer that the society should developed is very ....unuseful.

How so?

 

[Jumi]

As someone who went through it I know, and I was lucky that anti-depressants worked brilliantly for me and made me realise how out of balance my hormones were and how all those years of 'self-improvement' had not done me an iota of good when it came to mood-improvement.

Clinical depression is a strange thing. I read in a newsmag(not science literature I know) that researchers found there are multiple types and most are pretty much unknown or undifferentiated in the treatments.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Sometimes not at all.

I'd like to hear some of the justification behind that sentiment. Since it's out of context above, you said it to say that sometimes the person who actually commits the suicide upon themselves is "not at all" responsible. Can you give me an example scenario in which you feel the person actually taking the steps to take their own life is "not at all" responsible?

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I'd like to hear some of the justification behind that sentiment. Since it's out of context above, you said it to say that sometimes the person who actually commits the suicide upon themselves is "not at all" responsible. Can you give me an example scenario in which you feel the person actually taking the steps to take their own life is "not at all" responsible?

Psychosis

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Psychosis

I suppose that if someone's brain informs them to do things without their "consent", then it makes some sense to say that they weren't entirely responsible. But I don't feel you can ever say that they were "not at all" responsible. Even if psychosis is part of who they are, then we are, in a way "holding them responsible" by forcing them into care. Those are the consequences enforced, because they can't not be held responsible. If the line to toe were that they weren't at all to be held responsible, then I feel the enforcement of consequences wouldn't jive with that.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I don't know if you understand what you're requiring from others.

I don't care if people find it too demanding. I'm not gonna just watch someone make a huge mistake because it would be too demanding not to. One has to do what is right. The end.

 

[Jumi]

I don't care if people find it too demanding. I'm not gonna just watch someone make a huge mistake because it would be too demanding not to. One has to do what is right. The end.

I'll be sure take my notes from how you do it when someone talks to me about their pain...

 

[Shia Islam]

Who do you put the responsibility on generally?

Here is my initial thoughts:

1. Before trying to think about the general trend of the matter, we must note that Some of the most heinous criminals in the world have committed suicide, where Hitler is the first one who may comes into your mind..

2. Criminals who used to kill other may find it easier to kill themselves than those who would not even kill an animal.

3. Suicide is a crime against those who surround you, starting from those who depends on you and those who deal with you assuming that you will not kill yourself tomorrow!

So the one who kills himself is not always a victim, however, it may be the case that most of those who kills themselves are victims who can't stand the criminality of the others..So they deserve our sympathy..

From a religious point of view, a believing person must accept the trials he faces in this life, understand the philosophy behind these trials and must always invoke his lord who will certainly deliver his servants..