Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[abysslightdarkness]

hi Greetings dear friends
Compliments of the day.
hi sojourner , and those who thinks Jesus is god & trinity

'Your exegetical reasoning is abysmal'

maybe to you only ,for YHWH being tempted and tempt others too ,i used the bible for the referencing .Hence , are you saying your bible is also abysmal ? Because all my reasoning are referenced with your bible verses. the source is from your bible so therefore your bible must be absolutely abysmal. i thank you.

Now lets Clear out the this filthy smoke here.

sojourner your references are very swallow either they are really not a good examples for the issues at hand or they are really not good references take the Didache example did mentioned trinity!!!! thank you. BUT

'Willy Rordorf considered the first five chapters as "essentially Jewish, but the Christian community was able to use it" by adding the "evangelical section".[16] "Lord" in the Didache is reserved usually for "Lord God", while Jesus is called "the servant" of the Father (9:2f.; 10:2f.).[17] Baptism was practised "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."[18] Scholars "generally agree that 9:10 represents an earlier tradition that was gradually replaced by the trinity of names."[17][19] A similarity with Acts 3 is noted by Aaron Milavec: both see Jesus as "the servant (pais)[20] of God".[21] The community is presented as "awaiting the kingdom from the Father as entirely a future event".[21] see wikipedia"
which means that scripture was written in different times in parts ,not the whole of the manuscript dates in the same era. this again proves that the trinity notions is a much later work of insertions.

Please do NOT RUB in Just any info you get ,as references to your horrible viewpoint.
So readers please don't follow sojourner thank you.

Please do not used Didache as the prove of early existence of the trinity doctrine because the whole manuscript is not written all at the same time. please do check every verse you referenced to see whether they were a very recent additions as many verses in the bible was very much a practiced tradition and doctrine in the early church. Insertion of extra not authentic info. into the word of "God".

the skill of RUB IN to notions is very common especially in the bible translations and even now as sojourner demonstrated very explicitly. ancient habits died hard

warmest regards.
happy reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

 

[abysslightdarkness]

Athanasius : John 1:1 "in the beginning was the word" was Unambiguous. therefore the three parts of the trinity were eternally the same.
Now the verse John 1;1 is not original either they actually follow the text of the Essene called the 'Law'

John
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and theWordwas God.2 He was in the beginning with God.

Essene text 'the Law'
In the beginning was theLaw and theLaw was with God, and theLaw was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Only difference they changed the word 'Law' to 'Word'. How fake is this ? this is plagiarism.
However ,this verse had its history i will mention it in detail later[/COLOR]

this verse "word" /logos in greek concept had never been a part of the judaism this was very new notion to the Jews

however we can actually trace the verse that dates back to ancient Egyptian as early as in the third dynasty.

thanks for reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

 

[Pegg]

hi Greetings dear friends
Compliments of the day.
To those who thinks Jesus and YHWH ARE godS & trinity
Reasons that they are not GOD see below

YHWH can be tempted

plus the temptation story of Jesus already shows very explicitly that Jesus is not perfect.
PLease do compare with James 1:13 (Codex Sinacticus)

I think you have the wrong idea on temptation. Its not the temptation itself which makes one imperfect...its falling into the temptation which does that.

Adam for instance was created perfect, but when tempted he caved in which made him imperfect. If Adam had of ignored the temptation he would have remained perfect. Its the same with Jesus and the temptation put before him by the devil...Jesus was offered the rulership of all the kingdoms of the world, but he refused the devils offer. He was also tempted with turning stones into bread for himself but he refused the offer...Jesus perfection remained intact.

The temptation of Jehovah that was spoken of in Deuteronomy is something entirely different. The account of the situation in Massa was that the isrealites had no water to drink and they were murmuring against Moses and saying they had been brought into the desert to die.
Exodus 17:7 So he called the name of the place Mas′sah and Mer′i‧bah, because of the quarreling of the sons of Israel and because of their putting Jehovah to the test, saying: “Is Jehovah in our midst or not?”
The temptation was actually a 'test' on God to prove that he was really with them...even after all they had seen him do to free them from Egypt they were complaining that they had no water.

YHWH creates evil

ISA 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil.* I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

This verse should be taken in context. Look at what evil is mentioned alongside...'peace'

Now take into consideration that all of Gods qualities are in perfect harmony, that he is righteous, loving, merciful and that he is also Justice. The statement that he creates evil does not mean anything or any practice that is morally wrong because God could never be guilty of such things because his other qualities would prevent him from acting immorally. The evil here really refers to the calamity or disaster or destruction that he brings upon unrepentant wrongdoers. From Adam’s time on, punishment has come from God upon those who willfully practice wickedness and its spoken of in comparison to the peace that God brings to the righteous.

YHWH the "Righteous"

NUM 31:17, *Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 *But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

LEV 26:13, I am the LORD your God, ... 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies...'

Again, take them in context. The account in Numbers is the war against the midianites. Those people worshiped baal and had drawn many isrealites off into an offensive sex worship with them. What we do see in that war is Gods mercy on those midianites who were innocent...the virgins were obviously not involved in in the sex worship and so God spared them.

And in Leviticus 26 we see Gods warning against the Isrealites. If they left Jehovah he would remove his protection from them and foreign nations would come and destroy them. It wasnt actually God who would do damage to Isreal. You have to take into consideration that the Isrealites had come into a 'covenant' with God. They had agreed to his conditions. If they rebelled, then they would experience what life would be like without having Gods protection because he would remove it and the results would not be good for them as this warning shows.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

According to Psalms God had no beginning. God is from everlasting to everlasting.
Jesus, on the other hand, was not before the beginning.
Only God was 'before' the beginning.

As far as Greek grammar rules: why is the letter 'a' at Acts 28 v6 B and not at John 1v1?
The same Greek grammar rule applies in both verses.

 

[abysslightdarkness]

Hi readers

To pegg

Can you please reference your contextual deduction for those verses ? i need to know how you derived them. and they need to be in biblical references. thank you.example your explanation of Is 45 :7

Otherwise they are just your own interpretations ,which is your rubbing into the meaning of the verses where most christians cannot explain whenever they encounter them. As usual ,old christian habit ,die hard.

While translation the script , interpretations was already done ,the process of translating ,the interpreting ,its part of it. you just need to expound further to explain what it means. while doing you need the historical cultural and archaeological backgrounds to deduce the verses.

The temptation was actually a 'test' on God to prove that he was really with them...even

"Test" for YHWH you must be joking he should be omniscience. YHWH sould know already the outcome of that episode. YHWH's omniscience is in doubt ,that further confirms my past posts on the subject is a FACT. thank you.

what do you understand about temptation ?, if you read further in James 1:13 like uptill verse 15,i think they had a very good explanation of what is temptation.

temptation is in the mind(its a mind process) its not necessary whether you materialize it or not. jesus was tempted in the mind already though he didn't give in to it.

warmest regards
happy reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)[/SIZE]

 

[abysslightdarkness]

YHWH ,the omniscience (the all-knowing ,the one who knew the minds of satan) ,the omnipotent (the all-powerful ,the one who know what satan can or cannot do) and the omnipresent (the one who is all-present who knows the where about of satan in all eternity). & most certainly the creator of satan ,god ,knowing all that he did and will do) still YHWH created satan. Is this your god ? sorry i don't want this kind of god. Because your YHWH[Bull-Calf Yah ,Bull-El ,Adonai(my LORD) ,Ya Ho WaiH or Je-ho-vah] created evil (see Is 45:7 use dead sea scroll bible for accuracy). Bottom-line your YHWH is the real ORIGINATOR of EVIL not that YHWH is oblivious over satan He knew all his evil ways. therefore he created all his evil ways too. please don't put all the blame on satan he is only ,the result of his creator YHWH.
how kind ???? your god ,sure do know how the devil thinks and he is the Creator of it ,how bloody kind your jesus is ? please don't say he did it out of love and tests of our humankind He can safe it for Himself think all the negative impact that the creator jesus generated. i rather he keep his evil creation to himself.

i hope the rest of the readers ,you do understand that god being omniscience also means god knows all your freewill even before you start to WILL it.
Hence ,god knows the freewill of satan and therefore ,
Unfortunately god created satan; god started it ,god allows it therefore god WILL it ,& then satan did it,

Needless to say the biggest piece 'blame pie' belongs to god(jesus). SAD isn't it ?

"Satan told God that Job trusted him because of all the Good things. Satan said if Job didnt have such good fortune, that job wouldn't love God. God then allowed satan to take away jobs things but not to hurt job. See it how you like, but you put words into the bible and believe as you want."

that is exactly my point god was collaborating with the satan ,and still working with satan for all we know… furthermore god knew the wills of satan and still he ALLOWED it so ….
i wrote that merely to summarize the story job story to make a point if you don't like you can type the whole story of job over here….

Classic problem here ,god is omniscience & omnipotent if god is all that ,then
why is god testing job for ? god should know the outcome already ?
if god is all good than why god test job with such evil methods ? plus allowing satan to have his evil ways and helped god ? i believe this is why we have so much war and conflicts in christian view point.

Hence ,this is the classic proof of an evil god of yours here ,& i'm sure there are many of this kind of examples which we don't know of ….
i'm sure he can think of more moral ways to test job ? he's god you know ? OR IS HE ? i don't think so ,looking at the job story and others.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Athanasius : John 1:1 "in the beginning was the word" was Unambiguous. therefore the three parts of the trinity were eternally the same.
Now the verse John 1:1 is not original either they actually follow the text of the Essene called the 'Law'

John
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Essene text 'the Law'
In the beginning was the Law and the Law was with God, and the Law was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Only difference they changed the word 'Law' to 'Word'. How fake is this ? this is plagiarism.
However ,this verse had its history i will mention it in detail later[/color]

this verse "word" /logos in greek concept had never been a part of the judaism this was very new notion to the Jews

however we can actually trace the verse that dates back to ancient Egyptian as early as in the third dynasty.

thanks for reading

I like this. I have seen this before as well. Makes one wonder dosen't it...?

 

[sojourner]

I dont agree that the bible is not Gods word. Its unfortunate that most churches dont believe it and if I were a person attending a church which did not believe it to be Gods word, i'd be looking for a church who does.

Sucks for you, huh?

Those churches are not following or teaching the bible . How can they say they know who God is when they dont even believe that the bible is his word?

Jesus didn't need a Bible to know who God is. the early followers didn't need a Bible to know who God is. Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Elijah, Rahab, none of these people needed a Bible to know who God is. And they were sinners, scoffers, liars, thieves, prostitutes and scam artists. What's your excuse?

The Bible is neither the only nor the best revelation of God.

to witness something means to see it with your own eyes. Nobody today has witnessed the resurrection...nobody from even the 2nd century witnessed the resurrection. Peters words are what they are Acts 1:21 "It is therefore necessary that of the men that assembled with us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 starting with his baptism by John and until the day he was received up from us, one of these men should become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
Peter's words are plain and clear. There is no on alive today who can fill this criteria.

To. The word is "to," not "of." Obviously, Peter's words are not so plain and clear to you...
To "witness to" something is to tell about it. People today do that all the time. "To" constitutes an act, which is what is denoted here. "Of" constitutes an identity, which is not denoted here.

No conclusive evidence? You named various men earlier indicating that they were apostolic successors...did you know that all early church writers testified to the fact that matthew wrote the gospel? Matthews gospel is one of the NT books which is most unanimously established as written by matthew. From as far back as Papias of Hierapolis (early second century C.E.) onward, there is a continual agreeance among church historians that Matthew wrote it.

The church leaders were convinced that the earth rotated around the sun until they were presented with compelling evidence to the contrary.

But i guess if you are from a church who has no faith in the books of the bible, then it would explain why you doubt such things.
I would encourage you to put faith in the bible...it is the only source of truth.

Don't pull that crap on me. My church does believe in the Bible, but we believe it for what it is, without trumping it up into an idol to be worshiped, instead of a tool to be scrutinized. I doubt it because there's no compelling evidence that Matthew wrote it. And there is compelling evidence to the contrary, three of the greatest being:
1) the earliest copies are neither signed by, nor ascribed to him
2) the late date of writing seriously calls into question his authorship
3) Matthew was, most likely, illiterate

FYI, the Bible is not the only "source of truth."

Paul makes clear that spirits exist “If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.” And because angels are spirits, both invisible and powerful, they are like God or 'Godlike' just as Jesus is 'Godlike' because they exist in spirit form.

Not cogent to your argument. Being a spirit is not conclusively what makes on "godlike." Demons are spirits, and they are nothing "like God."

And we know that the angels can also take on human form because it was angels who visited Lot and helped him get out of the city and it was an angel who wrestled with Jacob all night and it was angels who sat and ate a meal with Abraham and Sarah and it was angels who became human and married women in the days of Noah

Hmmm...
It was reportedly three men who visited Abraham and Sarah. It was two angels who visited Lot. It was "a man" who wrestled with Jacob at the ford of the Jabbok. "Sons of God" does not necessarily connote "angels." Well, one out of four... Not good odds.

So if you think that the trinity is proved by Jesus becoming human, then think again... all angels were able to do the same thing.

None of those passages says anything about angels "becoming human." You're assuming waaaaay too much here.

 

[sojourner]

Athanasius : John 1:1 "in the beginning was the word" was Unambiguous. therefore the three parts of the trinity were eternally the same.
Now the verse John 1;1 is not original either they actually follow the text of the Essene called the 'Law'

John
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and theWordwas God.2 He was in the beginning with God.

Essene text 'the Law'
In the beginning was theLaw and theLaw was with God, and theLaw was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Only difference they changed the word 'Law' to 'Word'. How fake is this ? this is plagiarism.
However ,this verse had its history i will mention it in detail later[/color]

this verse "word" /logos in greek concept had never been a part of the judaism this was very new notion to the Jews

however we can actually trace the verse that dates back to ancient Egyptian as early as in the third dynasty.

thanks for reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

The similarity between John and the Essene thought is compelling, but not for the reasons you cite. "Plagiarism" is not in play here. What is compelling is that both present a more esoteric take. It's compelling that there exists this common thought between Greeks and Essenes. Sorry, your point not proven here.

 

[sojourner]

YHWH ,the omniscience (the all-knowing ,the one who knew the minds of satan) ,the omnipotent (the all-powerful ,the one who know what satan can or cannot do) and the omnipresent (the one who is all-present who knows the where about of satan in all eternity). & most certainly the creator of satan ,god ,knowing all that he did and will do) still YHWH created satan. Is this your god ? sorry i don't want this kind of god. Because your YHWH[Bull-Calf Yah ,Bull-El ,Adonai(my LORD) ,Ya Ho WaiH or Je-ho-vah] created evil (see Is 45:7 use dead sea scroll bible for accuracy). Bottom-line your YHWH is the real ORIGINATOR of EVIL not that YHWH is oblivious over satan He knew all his evil ways. therefore he created all his evil ways too. please don't put all the blame on satan he is only ,the result of his creator YHWH.
how kind ???? your god ,sure do know how the devil thinks and he is the Creator of it ,how bloody kind your jesus is ? please don't say he did it out of love and tests of our humankind He can safe it for Himself think all the negative impact that the creator jesus generated. i rather he keep his evil creation to himself.

i hope the rest of the readers ,you do understand that god being omniscience also means god knows all your freewill even before you start to WILL it.
Hence ,god knows the freewill of satan and therefore ,
Unfortunately god created satan; god started it ,god allows it therefore god WILL it ,& then satan did it,

Needless to say the biggest piece 'blame pie' belongs to god(jesus). SAD isn't it ?

Meaningless rant. Further (and most compelling) evidence of your abysmal -- nay, nonexistent use of exegesis. Why don't you quit before you become too Gumpesque?

 

[ninerbuff]

The one true god is the one who makes the most money off his followers.

 

[sojourner]

The one true god is the one who makes the most money off his followers.

Unsubstantiated, cheap provocation.

 

[RomCat]

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God!

 

[abysslightdarkness]

hi Greetings dear friends
Compliments of the day.
hi sojourner , and those who thinks Jesus is god & trinity

The similarity between John and the Essene thought is compelling, but not for the reasons you cite. "Plagiarism" is not in play here. What is compelling is that both present a more esoteric take. It's compelling that there exists this common thought between Greeks and Essenes. Sorry, your point not proven here.

you obviously don't know which one wrote first ,the two manuscripts wasn't written at the same time. see readers ,who is the abysmal here. you can only jump to that conclusion only when you can prove both were written at the same time line.

Hence ,sojourner ,you are the real Absolute ultimate ABYSMAL.

Meaningless rant. Further (and most compelling) evidence of your abysmal -- nay, nonexistent use of exegesis. Why don't you quit before you become too Gumpesque?

Readers , this is exact symptoms of not able to rebut which sojourner had explicitly manifested. sojourner ,you should consider life retirement now.

Unsubstantiated, cheap provocation.

Notice that you gave the most FOC reply and rebuttals without any substantial references and proof for your viewpoints.



your POT is now on MY hot stove with hot fiery water pouring to you from my kettle.

sojourner ,you are the weakest link GOODBYE ,
NEXT !!!

warmest regards
happy reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)[/SIZE]

 

[abysslightdarkness]

hi Greetings dear friends
Compliments of the day.

To those who thinks Jesus and YHWH ARE godS & trinity

Reasons that they are not GOD see below

YHWH can be tempted

DEU 6:16, Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

JOB 2:3, And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

ACT 15:10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SEE ALSO: EXO 17:2; MAL 3:15; MAT 4:7]

plus the temptation story of Jesus already shows very explicitly that Jesus is not perfect.
PLease do compare with James 1:13 (Codex Sinacticus)

Jesus is not god

ISA 43:10, Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

MAR 6:1, And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. ... 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

MAR 10:18, And Jesus said unto him,Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

JOH 14:28, Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

JOH 20:17, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1COR 15:25, For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. ... 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

COL 3:1, If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1TIM 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[SEE ALSO: ISA 45:5; MAT 20:23, 24:36, 27:46; MAR 16:19; LUK 2:52; JOH 5:19, 8:28,40, 16:28; ACT 2:22, 13:23, 17:30-31; ROM 1:3; 2TIM 2:8; HEB 1:1-3, 2:9-18; 1PET 3:21-22, REV 22:16.]

YHWH creates evil

ISA 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil.* I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

JER 18:11, *Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: ....

(SEE ALSO: GEN 3:1; JUDG 9:23; JOB 42:11; JER 18:11; EZE 20:25; AMO 3:6)

YHWH the "Righteous"

NUM 31:17, *Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 *But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

LEV 26:13, I am the LORD your God, ... 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

[SEE ALSO: LEV 26:7-8; NUM 5:1-3; DEU 20:16-17; JOS 10:40; JUDG 14:19; EZE 9:5-7]

Jesus not Omniscient

MAR 13:32, But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

LUK 8:45, And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

JOH 11:33, When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.


With the verses above ,they show that Jesus and YHWH both aren't fit to become a god even ,let alone in trinity with something like a god. worse still see below

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn us to hell.

Dearest readers ,armed with all the above mentioned verses please be still and think for a while can they be god ? even if they want to…. absolutely not.

To those who thinks Jesus and YHWH ARE godS & trinity please explain the above verses

warmest regards
thanks for reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)[/QUOTE]

 

[sojourner]

you obviously don't know which one wrote first ,the two manuscripts wasn't written at the same time. see readers ,who is the abysmal here. you can only jump to that conclusion only when you can prove both were written at the same time line.

Obviously the Essenes wrote first. However, since "plagiarism" is a legal term, and that particular legality didn't exist then, "plagiarism" isn't in play. Borrowing and restating, editing and pseudonymous writing was commonplace then, and there's absolutely nothing "wrong" with those practices. One may have borrowed from another. So what? All that proves is that the idea was extant earlier than the publication in question.

Hence ,sojourner ,you are the real Absolute ultimate ABYSMAL.

I'm sorry! That answer is incorrect! Now turn around, face the audience and say:
"I am not smarter than a fifth-grader!"

Readers , this is exact symptoms of not able to rebut which sojourner had explicitly manifested. sojourner ,you should consider life retirement now.

One can't "rebut" the vacuous and vapid.

An excellent example of having to resort to ad hominem attacks, when your argument just don't hold water.

Someone has already beaten me to Leisure World. However, there's an age requirement that doesn't apply to those (like me) whose brains are still young and fully-functional.

your POT is now on MY hot stove with hot fiery water pouring to you from my kettle.

As already stated, your Kettle don't hold water, hot or otherwise (although your argument is exceedingly tepid).

Your stove couldn't heat up a horny cheerleader.

sojourner ,you are the weakest link GOODBYE ,
NEXT !!!

Methinks a geriatric rehab center somewhere has lost a dumbbell...

But we have some lovely parting gifts for you, including a lifetime supply of brain cells, courtesy of the Abysslightdarkness Lobotomy Institute, as well as the home version of our game: Whose Slime Is It, Anyway?, where your stuff's made up and the points don't matter. Just like an intelligence test at an idiot's convention.

 

[sojourner]

hi Greetings dear friends
Compliments of the day.

To those who thinks Jesus and YHWH ARE godS & trinity

Reasons that they are not GOD see below

YHWH can be tempted

DEU 6:16, Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

JOB 2:3, And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

ACT 15:10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SEE ALSO: EXO 17:2; MAL 3:15; MAT 4:7]

plus the temptation story of Jesus already shows very explicitly that Jesus is not perfect.
PLease do compare with James 1:13 (Codex Sinacticus)

Jesus is not god

ISA 43:10, Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

MAR 6:1, And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. ... 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

MAR 10:18, And Jesus said unto him,Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

JOH 14:28, Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

JOH 20:17, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1COR 15:25, For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. ... 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

COL 3:1, If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1TIM 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[SEE ALSO: ISA 45:5; MAT 20:23, 24:36, 27:46; MAR 16:19; LUK 2:52; JOH 5:19, 8:28,40, 16:28; ACT 2:22, 13:23, 17:30-31; ROM 1:3; 2TIM 2:8; HEB 1:1-3, 2:9-18; 1PET 3:21-22, REV 22:16.]

YHWH creates evil

ISA 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil.* I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

JER 18:11, *Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: ....

(SEE ALSO: GEN 3:1; JUDG 9:23; JOB 42:11; JER 18:11; EZE 20:25; AMO 3:6)

YHWH the "Righteous"

NUM 31:17, *Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 *But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

LEV 26:13, I am the LORD your God, ... 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

[SEE ALSO: LEV 26:7-8; NUM 5:1-3; DEU 20:16-17; JOS 10:40; JUDG 14:19; EZE 9:5-7]

Jesus not Omniscient

MAR 13:32, But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

LUK 8:45, And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

JOH 11:33, When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.


With the verses above ,they show that Jesus and YHWH both aren't fit to become a god even ,let alone in trinity with something like a god. worse still see below

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn us to hell.

Dearest readers ,armed with all the above mentioned verses please be still and think for a while can they be god ? even if they want to…. absolutely not.

To those who thinks Jesus and YHWH ARE godS & trinity please explain the above verses

warmest regards
thanks for reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

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And this, boys and girls, is the best example of why we don't allow people to smoke crack and operate heavy machinery...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

you obviously don't know which one wrote first ,the two manuscripts wasn't written at the same time. see readers ,who is the abysmal here. you can only jump to that conclusion only when you can prove both were written at the same time line.

Obviously the Essenes wrote first. However, since "plagiarism" is a legal term, and that particular legality didn't exist then, "plagiarism" isn't in play. Borrowing and restating, editing and pseudonymous writing was commonplace then, and there's absolutely nothing "wrong" with those practices. One may have borrowed from another. So what? All that proves is that the idea was extant earlier than the publication in question.

But is it really ok considering John 1:1 has been borrowed and altered from the Essene's?

This, to me, means John 1:1 does not carry the weight and emphasis as christians put on it. It kind of reminds me of Matthew 28:19

 

[sojourner]

But is it really ok considering John 1:1 has been borrowed and altered from the Essene's?

This, to me, means John 1:1 does not carry the weight and emphasis as christians put on it. It kind of reminds me of Matthew 28:19

Of course! How does the onus of "truth" lie only with John?

 

[Wingless]

John 10:30 - "I and my Father are One."

John 14:28 - "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Judging by the scriptures; I'd say it could be anyone.