Hi Tom,
I can totally understand how people can read what 'appear' to be trinity texts in the bible, but this has more to do with 'translation' & 'interpretation' and i'd like to show you how in each of the examples of scripture you've posted here.
Pegg,
I see the Trinity in scriptures today. You may think it wasnt thought of in Jesus's time, but who really invented the Trinity? Was it Thomas that said, "My Lord and My God"
This verse in no way is proof that Thomas is calling Jesus 'God Almighty'
The Greek text actually reads more like an exclamation of astonishment rather then anything else and there are many scholars who have put that meaning to the text. In the Greek it reads “My Lord and my God!" which literally means,
“The Lord of me and the God (ho The‧os′ of me!”
Its is like me replying to something that you might have said with
"Oh my God!"
I'm not calling you my God, but its simply an exclamation of astonishment.
Also, consider that Jesus had earlier sent his disciples the message, “
I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God,” so what reason could Thomas have had to think that Jesus was Almighty God? None. Thats why John , after recounting Thomas’ encounter with the resurrected Jesus, says of this and similar accounts:
“But these have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God" and not that you may believe that 'Jesus is God'.
or was it John who said "The word was with God and was God",
Did you realise that in this scripture there are two expressions used with regard to God.
ton The‧on′ is one and means
'the God'
And the other is simply
the.on` and it means
god
So the greek text actually is identifying two separate individuals...one called
'the God' and the other simply called
'god' and here are how some bibles have translated this verse:
1808
“and the word was a god”
The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
1864
“and a god was the Word”
The Emphatic Diaglott (J21, interlinear reading), by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London.
1935
“and the Word was divine”
The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, Chicago.
1950
“and the Word was a god”
New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, Brooklyn.
1975
“and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word”
Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz,Göttingen, Germany.
1978
“and godlike sort was the Logos”
Das Evangelium nach Johannes,by Johannes Schneider,Berlin.
1979
“and a god was the Logos”
Das Evangelium nach Johannes,by Jürgen Becker, Würzburg, Germany.
Jesus is a god because he exists in Gods form. He is a spirit which makes him 'godlike' or 'divine' in nature.
or was with Isaiah who called Jesus, "Mighty God" and "Jehovah",
Isaiah never called Jesus Jehovah. He said that 'by Jehovahs zeal', Jesus will rule as the prince of peace forever.
Isaiah 9:6
For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end...The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.
So Isaiah was saying that Jesus will become all these things because Jehovah will make him such.
or was it Jesus himself who was called Good Teacher and he asked, "Why did you call me good? Only God is Good"
If Jesus was God, why would he object to being called 'good' but in the same breath claim that only God is good?
That doesn't make much sense. It seems that Jesus did not want the man to call him good but would rather the man direct his compliment to God instead.
or when Jesus called himself "alpha and Omega"
Revelation is tricky because it was given to John by God through an Angel AND through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angel) at times is God himself, but at other times it is Jesus speaking. But there are only 3 occurances of the term.
The KJV has the first occurance at Revelation 1:8 where it is directly linked with 'The Almighty' so yes, the Alpha and Omega is the Almighty God in this verse.
Its second occurrence is at 1:11 where it is obviously speaking about Jesus because he is identifed in vs 13 as 'Son of Man'. However, not all translations have 'A&O' in this verse because it isnt found in the earliest manuscripts such as the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. The KJV put A&O in this verse as an
addition....it should not be there so its use to identify Jesus is forged. Perhaps the translators were allowing their bias to color their translation.
the third verse is at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying:
“Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” We know that Jesus referred to those who were to inherit the heavenly kingdom as his
“brothers” and so its not logical that the speaker is Jesus in this verse because he never called his disciples his
'Sons'.
The speaker must be The Father, Jehovah God who is, for the second time, called 'the alpha and omega'
or was it Stephen was while dieing look to Jesus and said, "Jesus recieve my spirit"
have you thought that perhaps Stephen said this because of his understanding that only through Jesus can salvation be gained?
"No one comes to the father except through me" Jesus said...it seems logical that upon death, Stephen would acknowledge that his salvation would come through Jesus because that is the role that Jesus had been assigned.
or was it Moses who wrote, "Let US Create man in our Image"
And this is once again showing the relationship of Jesus and his father Jehovah. There is no question that Jesus was with God at the creation, but that fact does not in any way prove that Jesus is Jehovah. If Jesus was Jehovah then the verse would make no sense anyway because God would be talking to himself.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.
This verse is opposed to the idea of a triune God. 'There is no God beside me'.... I think that really shows that the one who was beside God at the creation was obviously not a 'God' in the same way that Jehovah is God. Nor is the holy spirit mentioned as standing beside God as a God.