Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[search the scriptures]

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It's not the point whether they believed he was the "Messiah"...The point is..they did not and do not believe their god to be a triune god.




I've only been dealing with the books where the words of the biblical Yeshua can be found and not the opinions of Paul who never met him.



Then any authoritative commentary on biblical scripture is futile correct? The many scholars of various religious backgrounds are void because they don't share your faith and accept it all on belief correct? NO.....One does not have to be a "believer" to understand the bible. No....There are plenty of non Christian scholars as well as non Muslim scholars who are qualified to give commentary on scripture.



The only thing your bible reveals about Yeshua and his god is that he explicitly said he has a god and that he and his god were one in purpose as he prayed to his god that his followers would also be one in purpose with them.

"The only thing your bible reveals about Yeshua and his god is that he explicitly said he has a god and that he and his god were one in purpose "

why he said he had a god...


Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:



Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house;


Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

do you beleive john/revelation, if not do you reject the book of revelation?

Rev 1:8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,the Almighty.

the =
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

Almighty =

παντοκράτωρ
pantokratōr
pan-tok-rat'-ore
From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling, that is, God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty, Omnipotent.

 

[Bowman]

You totally missed the point. The concept of trinity is Christian as well as with other pagan religions.

Nope.

You are confusing triads with the Trinity.

There are no pagan triads which have all members simulaneously the ONE God.

The Jews did not nor do they currently view their god as a triune god.

Their scriptures do.

Moreover in none of the 4 gospel does the biblical Yeshua (Jesus) ever reveal he is "God" nor was it something he taught.

Nope.

There are numerous instances, brother...

I understand the scripture very well.

Apparently not.

I'm not a noobie at this. In all of what I quoted there can be no doubt that those in heaven viewed Yeshua as separate from his god.

Separate and yet the same.

You still do not comprehend the Trinity.

 

[search the scriptures]

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour;there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
　

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
　

Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Rev 2:23and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Nope.

You are confusing triads with the Trinity.

There are no pagan triads which have all members simulaneously the ONE God.




Their scriptures do.





Nope.

There are numerous instances, brother...




Apparently not.




Separate and yet the same.

You still do not comprehend the Trinity.

:clap:bow:

I shall debate no further because we will be going in circles on this.....

 

[Bowman]

I shall debate no further because we will be going in circles on this.....

Come back when you become cognizant of scripture...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Come back when you become cognizant of scripture...

I am more familiar with scripture than what you think. We just have a difference of opinion and I feel our debates will in no doubt become circular tis all....

 

[Bowman]

I am more familiar with scripture than what you think. We just have a difference of opinion and I feel our debates will in no doubt become circular tis all....

You have nothing.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

You have nothing.

Calm down.....

 

[search the scriptures]

Jesus is :
the all ruling, that is, God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty, Omnipotent.


Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Rev 2:23and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[abysslightdarkness]

hi Greetings dear friends
Compliments of the day.
hi bowman, and those who thinks Jesus is god & trinity

Observe that a distinction is made between the one sitting on the Throne and the Lamb, and yet both entities are treated as one, as they both receive:
Singular blessing “eulogia”
Singular honor “time”
Singular glory “doxa” (i.e. worship)
Singular power “kratos”

They may be receiving the same things that does not mean that they are the same in all ways. meaning jesus is not the omniscient being as YHWH.

& Hi 'search the scriptures' and HI GUys

when someone is not god that doesn't mean that someone is not good. ,common sense …
however ,jesus in the biblical references have many verses saying that jesus was not god ,at least the verses do infer that.jesus is not in parallel with YHWH. & the trinity is a fraud.

NOW lets look at some verses for future references

'Jesus is not perfect' below is the references

MAR 8:23 *And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. 24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
MAR 10:18, And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. (YOUR reference)
HEB 5:8, Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered; 9 and when he was made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

2COR 5:21, For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

MAR 10:19, *Thou knowest the commandments, ... Honour thy father and mother.
LUK 11:27, And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. [SEE ALSO: MAT 12:46-50; JOH 2:3-4]

MAR 10:19, *Thou knowest the commandments, ... Do not steal....
EXO 20:17, *Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, ... nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
MAT 21:2, *Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an *** tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me. 3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.

EXO 20:8, *Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work ....
JOH 5:18, *Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath ....
JOH 9:4, I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. ... 6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay ... 14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.

LEV 5:1, And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.
MAT 27:13, *Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee? 14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly. [SEE ALSO: MAR 14:60-61]

DEU 6:5, *And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
MAR 15:34, *And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [SEE ALSO: MAT 27:46]

DEU 6:13, *Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
MAT 5:34, *But I say unto you, Swear not at all....

MAR 1:4, *John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. ... 9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.*
*If Jesus was without sin he had no need for "baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." - p.b.


YHWH can be tempted

DEU 6:16, Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

JOB 2:3, And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

ACT 15:10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SEE ALSO: EXO 17:2; MAL 3:15; MAT 4:7]

plus the temptation story of Jesus already shows very explicitly that Jesus is not perfect.
PLease do compare with James 1:13 (Codex Sinacticus)

Jesus is not god

ISA 43:10, Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

MAR 6:1, And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. ... 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

MAR 10:18, And Jesus said unto him,Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

JOH 14:28, Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

JOH 20:17, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1COR 15:25, For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. ... 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

COL 3:1, If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1TIM 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[SEE ALSO: ISA 45:5; MAT 20:23, 24:36, 27:46; MAR 16:19; LUK 2:52; JOH 5:19, 8:28,40, 16:28; ACT 2:22, 13:23, 17:30-31; ROM 1:3; 2TIM 2:8; HEB 1:1-3, 2:9-18; 1PET 3:21-22, REV 22:16.]

YHWH creates evil

ISA 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil.* I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

JER 18:11, *Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: ....

(SEE ALSO: GEN 3:1; JUDG 9:23; JOB 42:11; JER 18:11; EZE 20:25; AMO 3:6)

YHWH the "Righteous"

NUM 31:17, *Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 *But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

LEV 26:13, I am the LORD your God, ... 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

[SEE ALSO: LEV 26:7-8; NUM 5:1-3; DEU 20:16-17; JOS 10:40; JUDG 14:19; EZE 9:5-7]

Jesus not Omniscient

MAR 13:32, But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

LUK 8:45, And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

JOH 11:33, When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.


With the verses above ,they show that Jesus and YHWH both aren't fit to become a god even ,let alone in trinity with something like a god. worse still see below

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn us to hell.

Dearest readers ,armed with all the above mentioned verses please be still and think for a while can they be god ? even if they want to…. absolutely not.

warmest regards
thanks for reading

 

[Midnight Pete]

As Jesus put it, his Father in Heaven.

 

[abysslightdarkness]

Mark(48-55) 1:8
Lk(57-62) 3:16
Mt(65-70) 3:11
Jhn(90-100) 1:33
Acts(62-63) 1:5

The above Baptism verses are the example of trinity fraud ;none of the early gospels had ever baptized by the trinity formula ; the holy spirit ,father and the son.
LD is liberal dating with the help of the archaeology ,historical and empirical methods.

i will explain Mt 28:19 later

The historical background of Trinity.

The doctrine of Trinity not recorded in any of the oldest biblical manuscripts. The individual Greek and Latin manuscripts earlier than the sixth century. All 28 Greek like Irenaeus ,Clement ,Athanasius ,& 17 Latin authors Eusebius, Augustine, Jerome, Ambrosius, & Cyprian. who are utterly ignorant of it.

In **1John 5:7-8, It was a Latin scribe of no credit named Vigilius Tapsenisis who first cited the spurious verse. He lived in the later part of the fifth century and was suspected to have been a forger. Through its inclusion in his text as a codicil, it reached into later Western(west of Istanbul) Latin copies of the New testament manuscript in the 12th century and in the 1522, found its way in a unusual manner its way to the Erasmus'Greek new testament and the later two versions were greatly relied upon in later translations of the New Testament.

How the trinity entered the official New testament ?

Erasmus'Greek new testament was then in charge by the editor Stunica. This version lack the final chapter of the 1John and of course 1Jhn 5:7-8. Erasmus was very certain this verse is not found in any earliest copy of the manuscripts.
but two years later ,somehow the verse was found , so Erasmus was forced to print it in the passage but with a footnote saying this verse was a later insertion. The source copy was forged by inserting the verse in order to confute him.
Even during the period of the famous Dr Tischendorf ,who found the Codex Sinaiticus , only three of the greek texts included that verse.

Then in 1897 ,Pope Leo XIII ,approved and confirmed saying that "It is not safe to deny this verse is an authentic part of the 1John". then later they deliberately fabricated the passage of the fifth century scribe which became the major part of the christian doctrine.

In 13 Jan 1897 ,the same pope forbad any questioning of the inclusion of the verse even there mounting evidence of forgery. hence imposed on the followers this fabricated verse as genuine.

Then later they forged more verse like *Mt 28:19 , if not ,they are too few "three in One" verses around in the bible. However ,in the papyrus manuscript of Mt 28:19 , it was found to be added by hand much later while under X-ray examination of the papyrus. They also found the whole piece of the papyrus was corrected 18 times.

Much later ,the church confessed

"Let us examine the facts of the case. The silence of the great and voluminous St Augustine, are admitted facts that militate against the canonicity of the Three Witness, St. Jerome does not seem to know the text. the disputed part does not fond in any manuscripts until 12th century. The Council of Trent is the first certain ecumenical decree, whereby the church established the Canon of Scripture. We cannot say that the Decree of Trent necessarily included the Three Witnesses. Neither condition has yet been verified with certainty;quite the contrary, textual criticism seems to indicate that the Comma Johanninum was not at all times and everywhere want to be read in the Catholic Church, and it is not contained in the Old Latin Vulgate." (Catholic Encyclopedia Vol. 8 pg. 436)

With all these 'drama' of the doctrine of trinity. we can absolutely see that this verse 1 Jhn 5:7-8 & Mt 28:19 is a pure insertion just to create the Trinity doctrine. NOT the WORDS of YHWH either.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Mark(48-55) 1:8
Lk(57-62) 3:16
Mt(65-70) 3:11
Jhn(90-100) 1:33
Acts(62-63) 1:5

The above Baptism verses are the example of trinity fraud ;none of the early gospels had ever baptized by the trinity formula ; the holy spirit ,father and the son.
LD is liberal dating with the help of the archaeology ,historical and empirical methods.

i will explain Mt 28:19 later

The historical background of Trinity.

The doctrine of Trinity not recorded in any of the oldest biblical manuscripts. The individual Greek and Latin manuscripts earlier than the sixth century. All 28 Greek like Irenaeus ,Clement ,Athanasius ,& 17 Latin authors Eusebius, Augustine, Jerome, Ambrosius, & Cyprian. who are utterly ignorant of it.

In **1John 5:7-8, It was a Latin scribe of no credit named Vigilius Tapsenisis who first cited the spurious verse. He lived in the later part of the fifth century and was suspected to have been a forger. Through its inclusion in his text as a codicil, it reached into later Western(west of Istanbul) Latin copies of the New testament manuscript in the 12th century and in the 1522, found its way in a unusual manner its way to the Erasmus'Greek new testament and the later two versions were greatly relied upon in later translations of the New Testament.

How the trinity entered the official New testament ?

Erasmus'Greek new testament was then in charge by the editor Stunica. This version lack the final chapter of the 1John and of course 1Jhn 5:7-8. Erasmus was very certain this verse is not found in any earliest copy of the manuscripts.
but two years later ,somehow the verse was found , so Erasmus was forced to print it in the passage but with a footnote saying this verse was a later insertion. The source copy was forged by inserting the verse in order to confute him.
Even during the period of the famous Dr Tischendorf ,who found the Codex Sinaiticus , only three of the greek texts included that verse.

Then in 1897 ,Pope Leo XIII ,approved and confirmed saying that "It is not safe to deny this verse is an authentic part of the 1John". then later they deliberately fabricated the passage of the fifth century scribe which became the major part of the christian doctrine.

In 13 Jan 1897 ,the same pope forbad any questioning of the inclusion of the verse even there mounting evidence of forgery. hence imposed on the followers this fabricated verse as genuine.

Then later they forged more verse like *Mt 28:19 , if not ,they are too few "three in One" verses around in the bible. However ,in the papyrus manuscript of Mt 28:19 , it was found to be added by hand much later while under X-ray examination of the papyrus. They also found the whole piece of the papyrus was corrected 18 times.

Much later ,the church confessed

"Let us examine the facts of the case. The silence of the great and voluminous St Augustine, are admitted facts that militate against the canonicity of the Three Witness, St. Jerome does not seem to know the text. the disputed part does not fond in any manuscripts until 12th century. The Council of Trent is the first certain ecumenical decree, whereby the church established the Canon of Scripture. We cannot say that the Decree of Trent necessarily included the Three Witnesses. Neither condition has yet been verified with certainty;quite the contrary, textual criticism seems to indicate that the Comma Johanninum was not at all times and everywhere want to be read in the Catholic Church, and it is not contained in the Old Latin Vulgate." (Catholic Encyclopedia Vol. 8 pg. 436)

With all these 'drama' of the doctrine of trinity. we can absolutely see that this verse 1 Jhn 5:7-8 & Mt 28:19 is a pure insertion just to create the Trinity doctrine. NOT the WORDS of YHWH either.

Yep. Did you see all my quotes where the biblical Yeshua himself said he wasn't "God" and how he maintained on Earth, as well in heaven, he has a god whom he serves? I find it fascinating that trinitarians look beyond that and and continue to insinuate that he is "God" even when he "explicitly" said he wasn't. Additionally, the concept of trinity fits the information you listed above as well as being hashed out centuries later. I think it was Tertullian who first used the word "trinity" (Tertullian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).....

The original question of this thread is an easy one to answer. It's laid out by the biblical Yeshua in his prayer to his god in the book of John.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU the only true God, and Yeshua, the Messiah, whom YOU have sent.

Simple and straight to the point...You are the true god and I am Yeshua whom you have sent.

Anything beyond that is just pure speculation by the reader.....

 

[smokydot]

Yep. Did you see all my quotes where the biblical Yeshua himself said he wasn't "God" and how he maintained on Earth, as well in heaven, he has a god whom he serves? I find it fascinating that trinitarians look beyond that and and continue to insinuate that he is "God" even when he "explicitly" said he wasn't. Additionally, the concept of trinity fits the information you listed above as well as being hashed out in the 2nd. century. I think it was Tertullian who first used the word "trinity" (Tertullian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).....

The original question of this thread is an easy one to answer. It's laid out by the biblical Yeshua in his prayer to his god in the book of John.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU the only true God, and Yeshua, the Messiah, whom YOU have sent.

Simple and straight to the point...You are the true god and I am Yeshua whom you have sent.

Anything beyond that is just pure speculation by the reader.....

Except for Jesus' clear claim to divinity (God) presented in this Forum on the thread, Prophet Jesus Never Claimed Divinity, at post #97.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Except for Jesus' clear claim to divinity (God) presented in this Forum on the thread, Prophet Jesus Never Claimed Divinity, at post #97.

There's nothing there that would bring me to the conclusion that the biblical Yeshua claimed to be "God".....I've seen those quotes numerous times, out of context as you listed as well as whole quoted verses, and after researching them and looking at them in context they do not support your "assertion" (your word not mine). Please note that "divinity" is not a prerequisite for "deity". As your very own bible shows...one can be divine (possessing divine attributes) but not be deity (a god).

 

[sojourner]

Mark(48-55) 1:8
Lk(57-62) 3:16
Mt(65-70) 3:11
Jhn(90-100) 1:33
Acts(62-63) 1:5

The above Baptism verses are the example of trinity fraud ;none of the early gospels had ever baptized by the trinity formula ; the holy spirit ,father and the son.
LD is liberal dating with the help of the archaeology ,historical and empirical methods.

i will explain Mt 28:19 later

The historical background of Trinity.

The doctrine of Trinity not recorded in any of the oldest biblical manuscripts. The individual Greek and Latin manuscripts earlier than the sixth century. All 28 Greek like Irenaeus ,Clement ,Athanasius ,& 17 Latin authors Eusebius, Augustine, Jerome, Ambrosius, & Cyprian. who are utterly ignorant of it.

In **1John 5:7-8, It was a Latin scribe of no credit named Vigilius Tapsenisis who first cited the spurious verse. He lived in the later part of the fifth century and was suspected to have been a forger. Through its inclusion in his text as a codicil, it reached into later Western(west of Istanbul) Latin copies of the New testament manuscript in the 12th century and in the 1522, found its way in a unusual manner its way to the Erasmus'Greek new testament and the later two versions were greatly relied upon in later translations of the New Testament.

How the trinity entered the official New testament ?

Erasmus'Greek new testament was then in charge by the editor Stunica. This version lack the final chapter of the 1John and of course 1Jhn 5:7-8. Erasmus was very certain this verse is not found in any earliest copy of the manuscripts.
but two years later ,somehow the verse was found , so Erasmus was forced to print it in the passage but with a footnote saying this verse was a later insertion. The source copy was forged by inserting the verse in order to confute him.
Even during the period of the famous Dr Tischendorf ,who found the Codex Sinaiticus , only three of the greek texts included that verse.

Then in 1897 ,Pope Leo XIII ,approved and confirmed saying that "It is not safe to deny this verse is an authentic part of the 1John". then later they deliberately fabricated the passage of the fifth century scribe which became the major part of the christian doctrine.

In 13 Jan 1897 ,the same pope forbad any questioning of the inclusion of the verse even there mounting evidence of forgery. hence imposed on the followers this fabricated verse as genuine.

Then later they forged more verse like *Mt 28:19 , if not ,they are too few "three in One" verses around in the bible. However ,in the papyrus manuscript of Mt 28:19 , it was found to be added by hand much later while under X-ray examination of the papyrus. They also found the whole piece of the papyrus was corrected 18 times.

Much later ,the church confessed

"Let us examine the facts of the case. The silence of the great and voluminous St Augustine, are admitted facts that militate against the canonicity of the Three Witness, St. Jerome does not seem to know the text. the disputed part does not fond in any manuscripts until 12th century. The Council of Trent is the first certain ecumenical decree, whereby the church established the Canon of Scripture. We cannot say that the Decree of Trent necessarily included the Three Witnesses. Neither condition has yet been verified with certainty;quite the contrary, textual criticism seems to indicate that the Comma Johanninum was not at all times and everywhere want to be read in the Catholic Church, and it is not contained in the Old Latin Vulgate." (Catholic Encyclopedia Vol. 8 pg. 436)

With all these 'drama' of the doctrine of trinity. we can absolutely see that this verse 1 Jhn 5:7-8 & Mt 28:19 is a pure insertion just to create the Trinity doctrine. NOT the WORDS of YHWH either.

However interesting your exegetical posturing may be, it is of little value in an effort to discredit the doctrine of the Trinity. The text in question did not "create the Trinity doctrine," as you seem to posit.
We know, for example, that there were Celtic Christians as early as 200 c.e., who were, for the most part, uninfluenced by Roman Xy. Yet they were steeped in Trinitarian theology.

 

[search the scriptures]

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Hos 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

 

[Pegg]

I am the Way, the Truth and the Life! No one comes to Me, except through Me!
I AM the Father!
I AM God!
I AM the Holy Ghost!
When you've sen ME, you've seen the Ghost!
I came to do My Own will, since I am God!
I sent myself to do My will!
Worship me alone!


Jesus words re-phrased to see the 'Trinity'-

(Jesus baptised Himself in Himself, when floating down like a Dove
as God-the-Ghost)
I am the Way, the Truth and the Life! No one comes to Me, except through Me!
I AM the Father!
I AM God!
I AM the Holy Ghost!
I AM!
When you've seen ME, you've seen the Ghost!
I came to not to do My Own will, but My OWN Will!
I sent myself to do My will!
Worship me alone!
Believe in Me, also, in ME!
The witness of two or three doesn't apply to ME;
I Bear Witness to myself, and so does Myself as God-the-Father,
and Myself as God-the-Ghost- but we aren't 3 Persons; we are ONE and the SAME!
I came to make MY OWN Name known!
I have both glorified Myself, and WILL glorify Myself!


I could go on...but WHY?
It is SO obvious even a child can easily understand how goofy the dogma is...



But not churchoids!

i got a giggle out of it

 

[Midnight Pete]

A churchoid is a Jesus Freak who has lost his passion for Jesus.

Let it be known.

 

[sojourner]

A churchoid is a Jesus Freak who has lost his passion for Jesus.

Let it be known.

Can they, then, like a hemorrhoid, be relieved with Prayerperation H?