Trailblazer
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That is no technicality, that Jesus never said He would return and said His work was finished here. That's HUGE.You are always bringing out little technicalities, like when Christians say that Jesus will return and then you point out that Jesus never said he was going to return". It was usually worded that when the "Son of Man" returns or something similar.
Who do Baha'is see as being these false messiahs and false prophets?But, this time, you are the one adding Jesus and Christ into the mix when the verse you use doesn't say Jesus or Christ, it says "false" prophets in sheep's clothing.
Although, earlier in Matthew it says...
3 “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”So who do Baha'is see as being these false messiahs and false prophets?
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains...
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
There have been many false prophets, and that is why Jesus warned of false prophets.
List of people claimed to be Jesus
As I see it, those days were cut short by the coming of Baha'u'llah, who was the Son of man who came in the clouds of men's complete ignorance, so Matthew 24 is all about the coming of Baha'u'llah.And you know that I always point out that to not be deceived one thing a person needs to look out for is that there will be wars and rumors of wars etc.... but that is not yet the end? That if those days weren't cut short no one would survive? I don't see how Baha'is can say those things have already happened. But, it sure seems like we are heading towards those kinds of catastrophic events.
"but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened" -- I see that as referring to the Baha'is; we are the elect because we elected to recognize Baha'u'llah.
I never said that if it gets really bad that people will turn to the Baha'is. People will not "turn to the Bahais" unless and until they realize that Christianity has fed them a lie, and they stop waiting for Jesus. Somewhere in the Writings, Shoghi Effendi wrote that the Baha'i Faith will start growing astronomically when the Christians launch all-out attacks on the Baha'is -- I can hardly wait.Next problem. It gets so bad that we turn to the Baha'is. Then what? Do we say, "Okay LSA of San Francisco, what do we do? Can you fix this mess? Do you want to take over the governing of the city?" What about the county and state governments? What do Baha'i teachings want them to do? Then the NSA of the United States. The U.S. government says, "Here, we give up. You take over and fix this.? Then the UHJ, "Okay, you're in control. Tell all the nations to work together and stop fighting."
I am not involved in the Baha'i community as you know, but I get all the e-mail notifications of their activities, and it does seem as if they are just sitting by, going to Zoom meetings, etc., meeting amongst themselves so they can be more spiritual, as if this is going to help anyone else.What's the Baha'i plan? If the world turns to the Baha'is, are they ready to take over and put "God's" laws and "God's" government into action? Or, as things are crumbling do Baha'is just sit by? Because, things are crumbling and too many Baha'is seem to be just sitting by.
Supposedly, the Baha'is are getting ready by building their communities so people will have a place to go. Most people need some kind of religious community, socialization, so there are Mosques and Churches. If we ever had entry by troops there would be a structure, a place where they could go and learn and socialize.