Who Is The True Church Of Jesus Christ?

[Katzpur]

Why don't the mormons do something more constructive with their money.

What makes you think we don't?

Do you have any idea how vast the LDS Church's humanitarian efforts worldwide are? Since 1985, we as a Church have provided more than $725 million in total assistance to needy individuals in 159 countries. You can be absolutely certain that only the tiniest minority of these people are Mormons. Supplies that have been distributed include 45,247 tons of food, 5,943 tons of medical equipment, 57,227 tons of surplus clothing and 5,011 tons of educational supplies. Our Church membership is less than 2/10 of 1% of the world's population. How many organizations of its size do you know of that care for the world's needy in such a generous way? Your comments about how the LDS Church spends its money are very telling. Obviously, you need to do a little more research before you criticize us in that respect again.

 

[Bishka]

What makes you think we don't?

Do you have any idea how vast the LDS Church's humanitarian efforts worldwide are? Since 1985, we as a Church have provided more than $725 million in total assistance to needy individuals in 159 countries. You can be absolutely certain that only the tiniest minority of these people are Mormons. Supplies that have been distributed include 45,247 tons of food, 5,943 tons of medical equipment, 57,227 tons of surplus clothing and 5,011 tons of educational supplies. Our Church membership is less than 2/10 of 1% of the world's population. How many organizations of its size do you know of that care for the world's needy in such a generous way? Your comments about how the LDS Church spends its money are very telling. Obviously, you need to do a little more research before you criticize us in that respect again.

Awesome post Katzpur. Very good and explains a lot.

 

[nutshell]

Post-Mordem salvation is anti-missions . . . it just does'nt make any sense

It doesn't make sense to you.

There are many many people who live much fuller lives because of the happiness the gospel of Jesus Christ brings them. Why would we want to deny people this opportunity on earth?

 

[FFH]

Post-Mordem salvation is anti-missions . . . it just does'nt make any sense

Not everyone that lives and dies will get a chance to hear about Jesus Christ and salvation. Should these people not have a chance at hearing the Gospel? Or should they be condemned because no one brought them the Gospel? The answer is clearly, no. Today is the day of Salvation for those that have heard the Gospel. Those that do not hear the Gospel while on earth, will be given a chance to hear it in the next life.

 

[fromthe heart]

The true church is the believers who were saved by faith and baptised by the Holy Spirit. WE are the CHURCH that is why we are a work in progress...once those who have been chosen by the Holy Spirit to be moved to receive salvation then it's all done...there will be no other lives to get a second chance..this is it..use it wisely!

 

[FFH]

Post-Mordem salvation is anti-missions . . . it just does'nt make any sense

It's post-mortem not post-mordem.

 

[Katzpur]

The true church is the believers who were saved by faith and baptised by the Holy Spirit. WE are the CHURCH that is why we are a work in progress...once those who have been chosen by the Holy Spirit to be moved to receive salvation then it's all done...there will be no other lives to get a second chance..this is it..use it wisely!

So, if a person wasn't chosen by the Holy Spirit he's out of luck? By what criteria does the Holy Spirit choose who to save?

 

[Bishka]

So, if a person wasn't chosen by the Holy Spirit he's out of luck? By what criteria does the Holy Spirit choose who to save?

Exactly. If you claim to have a loving God, then this loving God will give them a chance if they didn't hear it in this lifetime, it just doesn't make a whit of sense to say, you didn't hear it here on earth, well buddy, your out of luck.

I do not believe God would act that way.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

It's post-mortem not post-mordem.

thanks

 

[TheGreaterGame]

What makes you think we don't?

Do you have any idea how vast the LDS Church's humanitarian efforts worldwide are? Since 1985, we as a Church have provided more than $725 million in total assistance to needy individuals in 159 countries. You can be absolutely certain that only the tiniest minority of these people are Mormons. Supplies that have been distributed include 45,247 tons of food, 5,943 tons of medical equipment, 57,227 tons of surplus clothing and 5,011 tons of educational supplies. Our Church membership is less than 2/10 of 1% of the world's population. How many organizations of its size do you know of that care for the world's needy in such a generous way? Your comments about how the LDS Church spends its money are very telling. Obviously, you need to do a little more research before you criticize us in that respect again.

If people will get to hear of the gospel in the after life (Post-Mortem, thanks) it doesn't make any sense that you would waste any money on missions . . . also you should just let people live like "Hell" because in the end . . . all will probrably go to heaven any way . . . right? I mean who would turn down the gospel in the after life?

 

[TheGreaterGame]

Not everyone that lives and dies will get a chance to hear about Jesus Christ and salvation. Should these people not have a chance at hearing the Gospel? Or should they be condemned because no one brought them the Gospel? The answer is clearly, no. Today is the day of Salvation for those that have heard the Gospel. Those that do not hear the Gospel while on earth, will be given a chance to hear it in the next life.

Then you should stop doing missions . . . I assure you Christ would do a better job in the after life then you or any other missionary could at convincing people to belive.

 

[Bishka]

Then you should stop doing missions . . . I assure you Christ would do a better job in the after life then you or any other missionary could at convincing people to belive.

I'm sure Christ would, but, we give people a chance here on earth to here it, why not here and now?

Why are you so rude and anti-LDS may I ask?

 

[TheGreaterGame]

I'm sure Christ would, but, we give people a chance here on earth to here it, why not here and now?

Why are you so rude and anti-LDS may I ask?

Why not here and now? Well why not later if there is a gospel presentation waiting for them when they die?

I'm trying to evoke a stimulating conversaton, my intention is not to come off rude, why are you so easily offended may I ask?

 

[Abram]

The after life? That realy doesnt make any since. So we all get a second chance. So why bother with any religion, just wait till this after life then repent.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

The after life? That realy doesnt make any since. So we all get a second chance. So why bother with any religion, just wait till this after life then repent.

This is the hole in mormon missiology . . . its strange . . . Christians are on mission in Africa, Iran, Iraq, and China . . . dying. because they have been called to go and preach because Romans 10 says no one can belive without a preacher . . . but if the Mormons are correct, Paul would have said, "don't worry they'll get a chance when they die"

 

[Abram]

This is the hole in mormon missiology . . . its strange . . . Christians are on mission in Africa, Iran, Iraq, and China . . . dying. because they have been called to go and preach because Romans 10 says no one can belive without a preacher . . . but if the Mormons are correct, Paul would have said, "don't worry they'll get a chance when they die"

That is kinda of strange, the one religion that thinks people get a second chance is the one religion that is very srong in missions. Here I am saying that we get one chance and I'm on religious forum were I won't save a soul. I need to rethink this.

Come to think about it, we are living our second chance right now. We messed up in the garden and then God sent his son as a second chance. So on that note their waiting for a third chance. God is good, but how many chances do we get?

 

[FFH]

If people will get to hear of the gospel in the after life (Post-Mortem, thanks) it doesn't make any sense that you would waste any money on missions . . . also you should just let people live like "Hell" because in the end . . . all will probrably go to heaven any way . . . right? I mean who would turn down the gospel in the after life?

I understand what you are saying. Why interupt their fun (sinning). Why not just leave them alone and let them hear the Gospel after they are dead. Well contrary to popular belief there are people suffering in sin that want to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the message of salvation from sins. Some people want to know that they are not going to hell when they die, if they even know about heaven or hell. If they don't some would like to know that there is a better way of living than what they are used to. Some people want and are praying, or asking God, or just wondering what this life is all about. They may not even have a concept of why they are here. Someone needs to tell them, so they do not suffer, and just live sin ridden lives. They want to know.

The three questions we would ask as Japanese missionaries were 1)Where did you come from, before you were born. 2)Why are you here, on earth. and 3)Where are you going, when you die.

Most Japanese people have no knowledge of any of these 3 questions and a few rejoiced at the fact that we had told them.

We must do all we can, now, but we can't get to everyone. Some will leave this earth never knowing about Jesus Christ and his sacrifice or their purpose for being here. That is very sad to me. I would want someone to tell me if I did not know, or at least I would do my own research. TV and internet and many other forms of getting information to people will take over where we lack in man power.

There is work done for the dead in LDS temples and there is preaching of the Gospel in the next life. The gospel of Jesus Christ is preached in spirit prison.

Peter 3: 18-21

18- For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
19- By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison,
20- Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is , eight souls were saved by water.
21- The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the pulling away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[FFH]

The after life? That realy doesnt make any since. So we all get a second chance. So why bother with any religion, just wait till this after life then repent.

We are not talking about a second chance, we are talking about a first chance if you never got one in the first place. A first chance to hear the Gospel. A chance to hear the Gospel.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

I understand what you are saying. Why interupt their fun (sinning). Why not just leave them alone and let them hear the Gospel after they are dead. Well contrary to popular belief there are people suffering in sin that want to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the message of salvation from sins. Some people want to know that they are not going to hell when they die, if they even know about heaven or hell. If they don't some would like to know that there is a better way of living than what they are used to. Some people want and are praying, or asking God, or just wondering what this life is all about. They may not even have a concept of why they are here. Someone needs to tell them, so they do not suffer, and just live sin ridden lives. They want to know.

The three questions we would ask as Japanese missionaries were 1)Where did you come from, before you were born. 2)Why are you here, on earth. and 3)Where are you going, when you die.

Most Japanese people have no knowledge of any of these 3 questions and a few rejoiced at the fact that we had told them.

We must do all we can, now, but we can't get to everyone. Some will leave this earth never knowing about Jesus Christ and his sacrifice or their purpose for being here. That is very sad to me. I would want someone to tell me if I did not know, or at least I would do my own research. TV and internet and many other forms of getting information to people will take over where we lack in man power.

There is work done for the dead in LDS temples and there is preaching of the Gospel in the next life. The gospel of Jesus Christ is preached in spirit prison.

Peter 3: 18-21

18- For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
19- By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison,
20- Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is , eight souls were saved by water.
21- The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the pulling away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

But there is no reason for you to interupt a persons life . . . when they are going to be told the good news in the next life. Why is your way of life better then their way of life? I mean if your right . . . no ones going to hell. I'm free at last . . . thanks!:tsk:

 

[FFH]

This is the hole in mormon missiology . . . its strange . . . Christians are on mission in Africa, Iran, Iraq, and China . . . dying. because they have been called to go and preach because Romans 10 says no one can belive without a preacher . . . but if the Mormons are correct, Paul would have said, "don't worry they'll get a chance when they die"

Did you not hear of the two LDS missionaries killed in Chesapeake, Virginia, yesterday?. They were gunned down. Shot and killed while walking or riding down the street at night taking the Gospel to the world. When I went to Japan for two years there was a mssionary force of about 50,000 strong all over the world. That was about 20 years ago. I am not sure what the numbers are now. I am sure Katzpur knows.