Who Is The True Church Of Jesus Christ?

[TheGreaterGame]

Maybe you'd see things differently if you were one of the ones who got sent to Hell without having even had a chance.

I assure you everyone in hell will know without a doubt that they deserve hell.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

GG, are you of member of the Church of the Nazerene?

Interesting question . . . why do you ask? How would it matter if I were? I am not?

I am by my own classification a:

Reformed Calvinist Protestant Piperian Evangelical Christian :162:

 

[Katzpur]

I assure you everyone in hell will know without a doubt that they deserve hell.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[jonny]

TURN IT OFF

 

[TheGreaterGame]

I couldn't agree more.

Likewise they would'nt be going . . . "why didn't you give me a chance to belive or hear the gospel" . . . because the reply would simply be SINNERS DESERVE HELL EQUALLY . . . and if some are saved . . . well, that's what makes GRACE . . . so amazing.

 

[searcher63]

I assure you everyone in hell will know without a doubt that they deserve hell.

HELL IS NOT HOT!
it is the common grave of mankind! To believe that GOD would torment FOREVER any of his creation is DISRESPECTFUL of his personmality. GOD IS LOVE. The scriptures do not lie. It is impossible for GOD to lie. A LOVING GOD WOULD NEVER TORMENT FOREVER ANYONE. Eternal Death, (Emptiness, nothingness, no thought, no feeling, nothing) THAT is JUST Punishment for any crime!!!!

 

[TheGreaterGame]

I think ITS StuCK oR SoMEtHing

 

[jonny]

I think ITS StuCK oR SoMEtHing

I just wanted to contribute something worthwhile and important to the conversation. I will be giving advanced typing lessons in the chat room.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

HELL IS NOT HOT!
it is the common grave of mankind! To believe that GOD would torment FOREVER any of his creation is DISRESPECTFUL of his personmality. GOD IS LOVE. The scriptures do not lie. It is impossible for GOD to lie. A LOVING GOD WOULD NEVER TORMENT FOREVER ANYONE. Eternal Death, (Emptiness, nothingness, no thought, no feeling, nothing) THAT is JUST Punishment for any crime!!!!

Well then Jesus just didn't know what He was talking about when He talked about the rich man and Lazarus. Also Revelation 21 . . . has to be false . . . you know about that whole part about being thrown in the Lake of fire . . .the whole notion of Anialtionism is a sweet gesture . . . but it mocks the suffering of Christ . . . you think God is going to punish his innocent son and not punish the wicked who pay no glory to the son . . . God is love . . . this is true . . . but like wise God is just and Holy . . . and God's Holiness demands punishment to sin . . . its conveinient to construct a theology out of one of God's attributes without looking at the rest.

 

[Katzpur]

we are living in our second chance right now... God owes us nothing...

You're absolutely right. God doesn't owe us anything at all. But I don't see God as a respecter of persons. I don't see Him having sent billions of His children to earth, allowing them to live their entire live without hearing His Son's gospel, and then condemning them to an eternity in Hell because they didn't accept it. It's hard for me to imagine how anyone can see himself as being favored by God to the extent that he will get to be in God's presence forever, and not feel the slightest bit uncomfortable thinking that there are millions not so blessed. But if that's how some people feel, I don't suppose I stand much of a chance of changing their minds.

 

[Katzpur]

Likewise they would'nt be going . . . "why didn't you give me a chance to belive or hear the gospel" . . . because the reply would simply be SINNERS DESERVE HELL EQUALLY . . . and if some are saved . . . well, that's what makes GRACE . . . so amazing.

I knew you'd misinterpret what I said. Anyone who goes to Hell will be deserving of it, but it won't be because God's grace passed them over. Grace is amazing, but not because you're God's personal favorite. :biglaugh:

 

[TheGreaterGame]

I knew you'd misinterpret what I said. Anyone who goes to Hell will be deserving of it, but it won't be because God's grace passed them over. Grace is amazing, but not because you're God's personal favorite. :biglaugh:

Were the Jews God special and elected people?

 

[searcher63]

I knew you'd misinterpret what I said. Anyone who goes to Hell will be deserving of it, but it won't be because God's grace passed them over. Grace is amazing, but not because you're God's personal favorite. :biglaugh:

KATSPUR:
I have felt in my short time on this post that YOURS, among most, stand out as insightful, thoughtful, and respectful. I must, however, strongly disagree with your view on HELL. Revelation speaks of HELL in ways that most construe as a litteral HOT place of TORMENT. All the while People forget the very first verse of REVELATION:" John recieves a revelation ( IN SIGNS)" It was a VISION and NOT MEANT to be TAKEN LITERALLY!!! How else can you explain the verse:" DEATH AND HADES ARE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE..WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH!" Are we to assume from that that DEATH and HADES are LITTERALLY THROWN INTO AN ACTUAL LAKE OF FIRE? How is that possible?
Further study reveals that the lake of fire ( or Second Death) Actually refer to a condition (NON-EXISTENCE) from which there can be NO RESURRECTION. Thus by throwing Death into this "LAKE OF FIRE" GOD'S KINGDOM GOVERNMENT WILL FOREVER DO AWAY WITH DEATH.

 

[FFH]

No we are not talking about a mistake made in missions . . . we are talking about "Moe the Mormon Missionary" taking the Gospel to New Guinea . . . and Moe presents the Gospel and some belive, but others reject . . . well guess what . . . that's right, you just sent some poor New Guinean strait to hell. This is the sum of it . . . so your actually doing them a great disservice.

We are sharing the Gospel with people because we have been commissioned by Jesus Christ to do so. If we don't do it then we are disobeying one of God's commandments, which is to go into all the world and preach the Gospel. I would rather give someone the chance to accept the Gospel and then reject it than to have never given them that chance in the first place. There is no harm in presenting the Gospel to someone. They can say no. It makes no difference whether they say no now or later. The sentence is the same. I will not be sending that person to an early Hell sentence. If he is going to Hell he is going to Hell nothing I say or do can change that. If he says no now he will say no later. It is as simple as that. BTW there is and end to Hell and a world will be assigned to people according to their beliefs and acceptance of truths. God is just and will reward everyone according to their beliefs of eternal truths and faithfulness in keeping the commandments given them. Thank goodness for the grace of God or all of us would deserve Hell and our progression in becoming like God would stop, because of the slightest sin.

Even the least of the three degrees of glory is better than this one, as long as you are not a murderer and even then there are those that can be forgiven if they repent. Truely people who reject the Gospel of Salvation will be condemned or their progression stopped, this is a good definition of being condemned. Progression of a man is stopped. They can go no further in their progression toward becoming like God. They choose not too. These people will be stopped in their progression and will spend SOME time in Hell if they completely reject Christ and all of his teachings.

 

[Katzpur]

KATSPUR:
I have felt in my short time on this post that YOURS, among most, stand out as insightful, thoughtful, and respectful. I must, however, strongly disagree with your view on HELL. Revelation speaks of HELL in ways that most construe as a litteral HOT place of TORMENT. All the while People forget the very first verse of REVELATION:" John recieves a revelation ( IN SIGNS)" It was a VISION and NOT MEANT to be TAKEN LITERALLY!!! How else can you explain the verse:" DEATH AND HADES ARE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE..WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH!" Are we to assume from that that DEATH and HADES are LITTERALLY THROWN INTO AN ACTUAL LAKE OF FIRE? How is that possible?
Further study reveals that the lake of fire ( or Second Death) Actually refer to a condition (NON-EXISTENCE) from which there can be NO RESURRECTION. Thus by throwing Death into this "LAKE OF FIRE" GOD'S KINGDOM GOVERNMENT WILL FOREVER DO AWAY WITH DEATH.

Searcher,

You probably disagree with my view of Hell because I only presented a small part of it. The Latter-day Saints believe in a temporary hell (the Spirit Prison Jesus visited), but we also believe in a permanent Hell. I'm not sure that we necessarily think of it as a literal lake of fire (personally, I'd rather it be hot than cold if I were going to have to spend eternity there ), but we do believe it's real. The "temporary hell" I described will continue to exist only until the individuals who are there (i.e. the wicked who died without having heard Christ's gospel) have had the opportunity to learn of Him and choose to either accept or reject Him. Once we have all been resurrected and stand before God to be judged, our final destination, be it Heaven or Hell, will be permanent. We probably don't believe as many people will end up in Hell as most Christians do, but we definitely do believe some will be there. Revelation speaks of a third of the host of Heaven who rebelled when Lucifer was cast out. We believe they will spend eternity in Hell, as will those who commit the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

 

[SoyLeche]

Searcher,

You probably disagree with my view of Hell because I only presented a small part of it. The Latter-day Saints believe in a temporary hell (the Spirit Prison Jesus visited), but we also believe in a permanent Hell. I'm not sure that we necessarily think of it as a literal lake of fire (personally, I'd rather it be hot than cold if I were going to have to spend eternity there ), but we do believe it's real. The "temporary hell" I described will continue to exist only until the individuals who are there (i.e. the wicked who died without having heard Christ's gospel) have had the opportunity to learn of Him and choose to either accept or reject Him. Once we have all been resurrected and stand before God to be judged, our final destination, be it Heaven or Hell, will be permanent. We probably don't believe as many people will end up in Hell as most Christians do, but we definitely do believe some will be there. Revelation speaks of a third of the host of Heaven who rebelled when Lucifer was cast out. We believe they will spend eternity in Hell, as will those who commit the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

Of course, the term we would normally use is "Outer Darkness" instead of "Hell". I don't believe that it is a literal lake of fire and brimstone. Actually, I have no idea what it will be like, and I hope I never will.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

We are sharing the Gospel with people because we have been commisioned by Jesus Christ to do so. If we don't do it then we are disobeying one of God's commandments, which is to go into all the world and preach the Gospel. I would rather give someone the chance to accept the Gospel and then reject it than to have never given them that chance in the first place. There is no harm in presenting the Gospel to someone. They can say no. It makes no difference whether they say no now or later. The sentence is the same. I will not be sending that person to an early Hell sentence. If he is going to Hell he is going to Hell nothing I say or do can change that. If he says no now he will say no later. It is as simple as that. BTW there is and end to Hell and a world will be assigned to people according to their beliefs and acceptance of truths. God is just and will reward everyone according to their beliefs of eternal truths and faithfulness in keeping the commandments given them. Thank goodness for the grace of God or all of us would deserve Hell and our progression in becoming like God would stop, because of the slightest sin.

Even the least of the three degrees of glory is better than this one, as long as you are not a murderer and even then there are those that can be forgiven if they repent. Truely people who reject the Gospel of Salvation will be condemned or their progression stopped, this is a good definition of being condemned. Progression of a man is stopped. They can go no further in their progression toward becoming like God. They choose not too. These people will be stopped in their progression and will spend SOME time in Hell if they completely reject Christ and all of his teachings.

You think a person who disbelives in this life will disbelive in the second? I don't think so . . . if Jesus were to return right now . . . He'd have a 100 % conversion rate . . . I mean I'm covered either way . . . if I'm a pagan, a baptist, a muslim . . . you name it . . . in the Mormon religion, everyone goes to heaven, in some form or another. I will sleep a lot better. At least your being a little more consistent saying that Christ has commanded you to go and preach the gospel . . . even though it doesn't really matter, because all people will get a chance to respond.

 

[Katzpur]

You think a person who disbelives in this life will disbelive in the second? I don't think so . . .

Your naivety leaves me speechless. Your attitude leaves me cold.

 

[jonny]

You think a person who disbelives in this life will disbelive in the second? I don't think so . . . if Jesus were to return right now . . . He'd have a 100 % conversion rate . . . I mean I'm covered either way . . . if I'm a pagan, a baptist, a muslim . . . you name it . . . in the Mormon religion, everyone goes to heaven, in some form or another. I will sleep a lot better. At least your being a little more consistent saying that Christ has commanded you to go and preach the gospel . . . even though it doesn't really matter, because all people will get a chance to respond.

The personal growth that comes out of serving a mission is just as valuable (if not more valuable) than any conversion to the church. I didn't personally baptize a single person on my mission, and I'd go again knowing how it would turn out in the end.

I came closer to Christ and thereby brought other people closer to Christ. Everything isn't about which religion is right. Some things are about just giving up our time and serving other people.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

Your naivety leaves me speechless. Your attitude leaves me cold.

I appreciate your attack of my character once again . . . thanks. :bounce